North Caucasus Rebels Deny Link to Boston Attack ( We Kill Much Better )

Google ^ | 04/21/13 | Dmitry Zaks

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North Caucasus rebels deny link to Boston attack By Dmitry Zaks (AFP) – 1 hour ago MOSCOW, Russia — A prominent rebel group from Russia's North Caucasus on Sunday denied any link to the deadly Boston Marathon bombings that have been blamed on two ethnic-Chechen suspects.

[Huebolt]

Trying to identify with Russians is IMPOSSIBLE for Americans. I know quite a few Russians.

Let me just say that “better safe than sorry” applies here in flaming capital letters with day-glo, full orchestra back-up, live chorus, cannons, and bells.

I know - 1812 Overture, but still...

They’ve seen HELL, and it’s a muslim.

[ThermoNuclearWarrior]

The solutions I mentioned are common sense solutions that should be put into place before discussing other ideas. I don't know if further actions would be necessary or not. I'm just stating that I have a hard time believing the sincerity of those who oppose either of these ideas. I personally won't bother wasting time looking at other measures from politicians who don't support them.

www.OathKeepers.org

[TArcher]

>>I don’t know if further actions would be necessary or not.

Uhuh.

How’s Ryan G. Anderson doing these days?

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&biw=1600&bih=721&sclient=psy-ab&q=ryan+G+Anderson

[TArcher]

I don’t oppose securing the borders.

But I also recognize that doing so wouldn’t alter the ability of Terrorist organizations to operate within them:

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=al+Fuqra+training+compounds

[ThermoNuclearWarrior]

I don't understand your point. We already have these things in place. We don't need to add additional laws when everything we have now on the attacks points to an extreme incompetence by our current regime, and law enforcement agencies under it's direction. I will not accept anything that could be abused to invade our privacy, no matter what; especially by those who pretend we built this country on Islamic immigration with their stupid defense of continuing the practice. Muslim immigration is protected before the rights of American citizens by too many politicians.

I understand the Islamic terrorist threat, but I also understand that our biggest threat comes from our tyrannical government that has been replacing Islamic terrorist with patriots. I don't think it's wise to give them additional power, considering it could easily be abused to use against the patriot movement to advance a political agenda. That baseless move was most likely a reason this attack wasn't stopped.

www.OathKeepers.org

www.CSPOA.org

www.PO42A.org

[TArcher]

 

>>we built this country on Islamic immigration with their stupid defense of continuing the practice.

 

This county, America, was built as a haven for "every infidel of every denomination".

 

 

 

"[When] the [Virginia] bill for establishing religious freedom... was finally passed,... a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion." The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination."
 --Thomas Jefferson: Autobiography, 1821.

 

http://www.google.com/#output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=infidel+of+every+denomination

"...who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time;

 

...

 

 that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government, for its officers to interfere when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order; and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them. "

 

"I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN"

--The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
--Thomas Jefferson, 1786

http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/sacred/vaact.html

 

Your assertion, FRiend, was:

 

"We could stop most terrorist attacks by securing our borders, and not inviting them into the country."

 

That assertion is clearly refuted by the reality of a plethora of resident, American-born, terrorists to whom the border is irrelevant.

 

Sealing the border will not prevent, or reverse, the ideological subversion of the Jihadist converted -- only TRUTH can do that. 

 

"AND THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE"

[ThermoNuclearWarrior]

How in the hell does this have anything to do with allowing foreigner jihadist from terrorist producing countries into our country? Did I say there should be an unconstitutional crackdown on any peaceful American citizens religious freedoms? Did I say we should establish a Christian theocracy? Exactly how does stopping Islamic immigration have any effect on a persons religious freedoms? Our nation wasn't built on Islam, and that's kind of obvious by the percentage of Muslim Americans that our nations population has been made of throughout it's history.

Our founders didn't tell us we have an obligation to rapidly increase Muslim immigration in the very distant future, that also coincides with violent attacks in the country by foreign Muslims.

You're trying to use Jefferson to make up some kind of right that grants foreigners superiority over American citizens, and your using his support of religious freedom, which I support, but isn't connected to anything we have been debating.

Why are you even attempting to use Jefferson in a frivolous attempt to build a ridiculous case to begin with, while obviously being a supporter of laws that ease our Constitutional rights in the name of safety? That is a direct and blatant contradiction to Jefferson's beliefs. I don't think anyone is under any illusion that our government wouldn't potentially abuse this power.

I don't trust our massive tyrannical government, and don't want it's powers expanded to “protect” me. I don't want a police force, with a history of dangerous incompetence overall, taking over a city and conducting warrantless searches. You're steadfast support of Islamic immigration, along with throwing out our Constitution under any notion of danger, is creating most of the problem that you want to solve by loosening our privacy, as if our tyrannical government will always have good intentions, and that's just creating another problem.

WWW.OATHKEEPERS.ORG

[TArcher]

Once again, here is your errant assertion:

 

"We could stop most terrorist attacks by securing our borders, and not inviting them into the country."

 

That silly assertion is clearly refuted by the facts.   The fact is that there are numerous resident, American-born radicals, to whom the border is irrelevant.

Here's another example for you to ignore:

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=Islamic+recruitment+within+american+prisons

 

"You're steadfast support of Islamic immigration,"

It's your not you're.   You're is a contraction between you and are "you are".  

I don't have steadfast support of Islamic immigration - I simply recognize the fact that "securing the borders" won't stop ideological radicals from doing ideologically motivated radically stupid things -- things like becoming militant terrorists.

What was the impact of "Islamic immigration" and insecure borders upon the activities of ELF, the SLA, the Black Panthers, the terrorist Weather Underground, or, for that matter - The People's Front of Judea   -- hmmm?  ZERO?

[ThermoNuclearWarrior]

My silly assertion would have prevented the 9/11 attacks, and the Boston terrorist attacks. I don't even know what you are arguing about. You seem to have lost touch with reality. You are debating things I haven't even been talking about. I know you don't agree with me on my immigration stance, but what does that I have to do with domestic terrorism? What in the hell are the domestic terrorism stories you keep posting refuting? Are you saying that we need more laws after this attack? You have been arguing about domestic terrorist issues without even knowing what I believe.

You're a part of the problem. Your policy is why we have so much potential for domestic terrorism. You position is why those responsible for the Boston bombing were in this country. That's a fact.

I know there is a domestic terrorist threat. A lot of that threat has come with the increase in Islamic immigration since 9/11. We already have laws for this threat. We don't need new ones, and I will not support any new ones that have any potential to suspend the Constitutional rights of American citizens. I have no idea what you believe. You oppose my immigration stance, and make little sense with your weird talk about the arrest of domestic terrorist, or domestic terrorist attacks; without letting anyone know what the hell your trying to say with these statements. You're refuting things I haven't said. What imaginary point are you debating? Try to make sense, or stop bothering me with your strange nonsense.

I like how you point out a simple mistake in my grammar. It's a sign you have nothing else. You created a delusional debate about domestic terrorism that didn't exist in reality. I guess you had nothing the moment you started putting words in my mouth, and started aggressively refuting them in your little fantasy.

Guardians of the Republic - www.OathKeepers.org

[Smokin' Joe]

(This was back during Putin’s reelection, and Jones was telling people that the U.S. was trying to destablize Russia through the civil-rights groups.)

Why not? Anyone who thinks the Communists didn't try the same thing with us during the Cold War isn't thinking. Environmental groups were pushed from afar for the same purpose, and it was some of the best money the KGB ever spent (from their point of view).

[TArcher]

>>You are debating things I haven’t even been talking about

That’s because I live in reality land and you’re living on fantasy island.

[TArcher]

A lot of that threat has come with the increase in Islamic immigration since 9/11

Meanwhile, in reality land -- The Jamaat ul-Fuqra camp near Hartsel was active >10 years earlier.

Where did Malcom X, Lois Fairycon and the Black Panthers immigrate from?

Terrorism, domestic and otherwise is an ideological issue.

How are Vern Howell, Dennis Mahon, and Tom Metzger doing these days?

Try harder.

[TArcher]

>>Guardians of the Republic - www.OathKeepers.org

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=OathKeepers+%22Ron+Paul

LOL That the same Ron Paul who advocates giving Iran nuclear weapons?

Oops!

NO SALE

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

“Why not?”

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Because it wasn’t true. The accusations were designed to distract from massive voter fraud.

[ThermoNuclearWarrior]

A lot of people have defended the Oath Keepers. It's a group of Conservative/Libertarians with a basic shared belief in the fundamentals of our Constitution. Only someone like you could find something wrong with a group that ask those who serve to never forget that their oath was to the Constitution, and not to the government. Your strange post showing your equally strange views make it easy to see you need your nanny state to protect you from the Islamic terrorist your all for allowing into the country. We shouldn't let them in, and we don't need our tyrannical government taking anymore of our freedoms either. Get some damn pride for god sake.

Your outright ridiculous belief about allowing Muslims from terrorist producing countries into our country, is criminally stupid. You have blood on your hands. You believe that foreigners have more rights than American citizens. You're attempt to use Thomas Jefferson's belief in Americans having the right to religious freedom, as some sort of outrageous claim to show he supported the immigration of Islamic terrorist was disrespectful and vile. That's a delusional thought that makes you no different than those on the left. You don't stand for anything this country was built on. Don't pretend to be someone who has tough stance on terrorism, because you do not. You have an unnatural obsession with open borders on both illegal and legal immigration, and then want the government to have rights that infringe upon our freedoms, for something your position allows to begin with. You trust this leftist regime with those powers. You are not on the side of this nation. You are embarrassingly ignorant at best, but I suspect it's much worse than that.

Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of current and formerly serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters who will fulfill the Oath we swore, with the support of like minded citizens who take an Oath to stand with us, to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God. Our Oath is to the Constitution.

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

https://oathkeepers.org/oath/nascar/

[TArcher]

[Your outright ridiculous belief about allowing Muslims from terrorist producing countries into our country, is criminally stupid]

LOL. Keep stuffing your Jackwagon with straw, Paultard. You’re the one pulling that “belief” out of your arse. I got nothing against controlling immigration - I just recognize doing so won’t resolve the ideological factors that produce Useful Idiot terrorists and Paultards.

So meanwhile, back in reality land:

Where were the folks residing in that Colorado Al Fuqra terrorist camp back in 1990 born?

[TArcher]

>>Thomas Jefferson's belief in Americans having the right to religious freedom

 

"...in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination."
 --Thomas Jefferson: Autobiography, 1821.

 

What does that ( especially the "infidel of every denomination" part )  mean?  

 

Would Jefferson've bulldozed Mosque-Fortresses built on American soil? 

 

[TArcher]

>>A lot of people have defended the Oath Keepers

 

Quack, Waddle...

Organizational history

The Oath Keepers were founded on March 2009 by Stewart Rhodes and incorporated in Las Vegas, Nevada as a non-profit corporation.[3][4] Rhodes is a Yale Law School graduate, a former US Army paratrooper, and a  former staffer of Congressman Ron Paul.[5] The Oath Keepers as a group have grown to include chapters in many states across America.[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_Keepers

...PAULTARDS.

 

 

 

Mark 11:15-17

15 On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple area and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves, 16 and would not allow anyone to carry merchandise through the temple courts. 17 And as he taught them, he said, "Is it not written:

"'My house will be called
a house of prayer for all nations'?

But you have made it 'a den of robbers.'"
NIV

"What kind of man gives cigarettes to trees?"