Skip to comments.Boy Scouts propose lifting ban on openly gay Scouts, but not leaders
Posted on 04/19/2013 12:01:16 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Also breaking today: This is a proposal that would go from the executive council to the Boy Scouts of America voting members in May, , and if approved, go into effect in January 2014:
The Boy Scouts of America would no longer deny membership to youth on the basis of sexual orientation, but would maintain its ban on openly gay adult leaders under a proposal it is considering, the group said Friday…
“If approved, the resolution would mean that ‘no youth may be denied membership in the Boy Scouts of America on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone.’ The BSA will maintain the current membership policy for all adults,” Boy Scouts public relations director Deron Smith said.
The Boys Scouts have been considering a change in the longstanding policy against allowing openly gay members. In February, the Boy Scouts’ national executive board postponed a vote on lifting its outright ban on openly gay Scouts and troop leaders and ordered a survey of its members on the issue.
The Boy Scouts have been mulling a version of this proposal for a while, but the parameters changed in response to a survey it commissioned of members:
Earlier, the BSA had indicated it might give local Scout units the option of admitting gays as both youth members and adult leaders, or continuing to exclude them
The BSA said Friday it changed course due in part to results of surveys sent out this year to members of the scouting community.
The survey, according to CNN, showed a generational split with older leaders preferring the exclusion policy and younger parents and teenagers favoring lifting the ban. More from ABC on the survey:
Gay-rights groups have demanded a complete lifting of the ban, while some churches and conservative groups want it maintained in its entirety, raising the likelihood that the new proposal will draw continued criticism from both sides.
Indeed, the BSA, in making its announcement, estimated that easing the ban on gay adults could cause widespread defections that cost the organization 100,000 to 350,000 members.
The review, said a BSA statement, “created an outpouring of feedback” from 200,000 respondents, some supporting the exclusion policy and others favoring a change.
“While perspectives and opinions vary significantly, parents, adults in the Scouting community and teens alike tend to agree that youth should not be denied the benefits of Scouting,” the statement said.
a step in the right direction for the homostapo
The homos aren’t going to be happy until they can infiltrate homo recruiters into the Boy Scouts.
If they do this credibility will be gone.
OK then, that’ll do it for me and my son. You can’t teach God and accept homosexuality at the same time. Enough. BSA can kiss my A$$.
Thanks for posting this article.
I agree... finally a decision that makes logical sense.
Besides, the experience of Boy Scouting helps one grow out of certain ‘childhood’ influences.
of all the problem this country faces and is facing, fast and furious, Libya, debt, spending, inflation on the horizon , Egypt, Syria, unemployment, foreclosures to name a few and even issues as to why the white house is closed and yet there are still concerts, parties and dinners, with her family still living there which we pay for .
AND THE HOMOSTAPO STILL KEEPS TALKING ABOUT WANTING US TO CHANGE OUT VIEWS ABOUT THEIR TURD POKING.
They already have plenty. We had one in Alaska of all places. Dude was flamin. 38 living with mommy, never married and didn’t date because the “boys” were his life.
If the scouts allow this then people need to organize and pull their kids out en masse.
We used to have bed-wetters, and mama's boys in our troop, and members of various religions (or none at all).
We didn't discriminate against them. Like the rest of us, they learned to become true Boy Scouts, or they quit.
There are many more children today that consider themselves 'gay', so it is an issue that has to be dealt with.
LET EM IN. SINK OR SWIM.
Gee, I thought I said that. You do know you have to stand up, don’t you?
I guess “boy” scouts would take on a whole new meaning.
Despicable scum - out of their minds. Who the hell would want a normal son sharing a tent with a pansey???
Americans have become so damn GUTLESS and submissive.
The problem is they will demand the Scouts accommodate them.
I would have no problem if they were gay and fulfilled all the requirements, but experience has shown time and time again, once you allow gays in, they will fundamentally transform an organization and lower its’ standards.
Sure, because time and time again the concept of “the slippery slope” has proven itself a fallacy...
Oh the art of compromise!
I always thought the real battleground was in regard to leaders not scouts themselves. So this is better than I had feared.
sign the petition
>>LET EM IN. SINK OR SWIM.
Do you really believe that the gaystapo will settle for Sink or Swim? If you do not cater to the homosexuals’ every need, you will be called homophobic, a hater, a bully—and that’s just the boy that shares his tent! The adult leadership will be warned that anything that the gaystapo could misconstrue as unwelcoming to the homo child will end your career as a scout leader.
This isn’t about acceptance and equality. Never has been.
Eagle Scout is a good thing to have on a college app, but any parent who leaves their son in scouting after this passes is simply unfit.
You don’t appease evil. Ever.
“The policy is incoherent,” said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council. “The proposal says, in essence, that homosexuality is morally acceptable until a boy turns 18 then, when he comes of age, he’s removed from the Scouts.”
The gays don’t want to be just accepted, they want to be celebrated.
Not so easy.
Once you accept gay youths, it’s not sink or swim.
This will get voted down unless the vote is stacked. The methodology used by the Executive Committee on this is really suspect and the choice of Harris polling is suspect.
Yep and just wait till a “gay scout” gets ejected for inappropriate behavior like making a pass at a fellow scout? I’ve seen this thing in churches where an open “bisexual” girl was allowed to influence another girl. There is absolutely no good reason to allow open homosexuals into scouting because they will not stop till it is transformed.
Applies to all boys fairly.
On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
and morally straight.
I agree it is not good. Just better than I feared. To your point being a scout is different than being a leader so I see no problem excluding gays from being leaders. So I don't agree on that one in short term. I do agree with you we may different situation 5 years form now.
I seriously question whether a boy of 10, 12, or younger could know his sexual orientation. Do children really need to be sexualized so young?
If this happens, scouting is over.
All the sudden the BSA will condone the sin of sodomy? If they go through with this garbage, stick a fork in them, they are done. God does not change his views on sin, and you can not be a sodomite and be living your life according to the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.
On my honor I will do my best
to do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout law;
to help other people at all times;
to keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight
RE: If this happens, scouting is over.
Not really, someone else will form a more CONSERVATIVE and COURAGEOUS alternative.
More? Maybe. Many? Absolutely not.
Just because the media crow from the rooftops every time they find one doesn't mean there is an epidemic.
My college newspaper tried really hard to make it look like there were mass demonstrations all the time. Except when you happened by a few of these "events" to find the same three idiots actively participating in every one with normal college traffic included to make it look like a mass event.
Part of the left's power is convincing people like you there is even an issue to be considered.
How do "children" end up somehow declaring that they are "gay"? Did someone coach them or coerce them to declare themselves "gay"? How would an 8-14 yr old boy ever recognize that they are gay? Do they start committing sodomy as young minors and if so with whom? Or most likely there are homosexual pedophiles who sexually assult young boys and in the process coerce them to homosexual lifestyle?
I ask these questions, because I think that most stories of "children or early teens" who somehow declare themselves to be "gay" are in fact, coached & coerced to say that. I was in Boy Scouts for 6 years (as well as Cub Scouts) and in fact we all went nude swimming on Boy Scout swim night at the Univ of Wis-Stout swimming pool. The issue of "gay" was never and I mean never considered to be any issue or even recognition of gay. We had multiple overnight camp-outs with not even a hint of homosexual behavior. I think that stories of so-called "gay" children or early teens are in fact a bunch of lies being perpetuated by the adult gays & perverts to make it appear as if being a homo pervert is overwhelmingly widespread.
And from Romans 1:18-32, we know that homosexuality & lesbian lifestyle are unnatural and the lowest form of reprobate, devian behavior & outright rebellion against God.
“The problem is they will demand the Scouts accommodate them.”
Yup. And the first time a parent refuses to let their son tent with a teenage homosexual unsupervised, there will be a lawsuit.
First, form your own boy scouting group that allows homosexuals in. They have the right of Free Association, just as the Boy Scouts of America do.
Second, this is defacto admittance of homosexual leaders. If you allow a youth “homosexual” in, who then goes on to become an Eagle Scout, how do you deny him a leadership position or a position as a counselor when he’s 19?
The BSA just needs to say “no”, keep the existing policy in place and let the liberals make up their own group. Let them walk.
If the vast majority of Christian faiths that actually sponsor the scouts protested this decision it would never happen. I know for a fact that my church will dissolve their association with the BSA if this goes through. And that will be sad because we have sponsored a Boy Scout Troup for years. And thousands more will do the same all over the country. But plain and simple you can not go against your faith in matters of morality and there will be no homosexuals admitted. It’s impossible. It is the exact same thing as Obamagabe saying Catholic organizations have to provide abortion inducing drugs in their insurance plans. Ain’t gonna happen. Obama wants to destroy the Christian faith in this country and any organization that anything to do with Christianity. Can you imagine this BS happening if GW Bush were still president, or for that matter any republican. Having Barry Bathhouse in the White House is the reason that not a day goes by that you do not hear something about sodomy being legalized in America. Perverts take up for their own. Google Larry Sinclair and find out all you want to know about Barry Bathhouse.
Thank you for your response.
My comment was based on the experience of seeing Boy Scouts turn (momma’s boys, bed-wetters, homos) into men.
Of course, there was the one ‘potential’ Eagle Scout that had managed to stay a homosexual, so your concerns are valid.
Do I have to raise my hand too ?
Only if we can take America back from the Communists and Homosexuals (i.e. the Obama Administration, the Congress , and the Senate).
Part of the left's power is convincing people like 'them' that they are gay. And there are MORE of them being RAISED as gay, or CONVINCED by media influence that they are gay, than there were when I was a boy.
I agree that the actual 'amount' of occurrences of 'gay' boys entering Scouts may not be on an epidemic scale, but it most definitely is an issue that has to be dealt with. That is just an OBVIOUS FACT based on the fact that there have been lawsuits and the Boy Scout Leadership is addressing the issue in the public venue.
I’d answer your questions, but you seemed to do a good job answering them yourself, and I think we are pretty much in total agreement.
That sounds like a nice touch. :)