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Boy Scouts propose lifting ban on openly gay Scouts, but not leaders
Hotair ^ | 04/19/2013 | MARY KATHARINE HAM

Posted on 04/19/2013 12:01:16 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Also breaking today: This is a proposal that would go from the executive council to the Boy Scouts of America voting members in May, , and if approved, go into effect in January 2014:

The Boy Scouts of America would no longer deny membership to youth on the basis of sexual orientation, but would maintain its ban on openly gay adult leaders under a proposal it is considering, the group said Friday…

“If approved, the resolution would mean that ‘no youth may be denied membership in the Boy Scouts of America on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone.’ The BSA will maintain the current membership policy for all adults,” Boy Scouts public relations director Deron Smith said.

The Boys Scouts have been considering a change in the longstanding policy against allowing openly gay members. In February, the Boy Scouts’ national executive board postponed a vote on lifting its outright ban on openly gay Scouts and troop leaders and ordered a survey of its members on the issue.

The Boy Scouts have been mulling a version of this proposal for a while, but the parameters changed in response to a survey it commissioned of members:

Earlier, the BSA had indicated it might give local Scout units the option of admitting gays as both youth members and adult leaders, or continuing to exclude them

The BSA said Friday it changed course due in part to results of surveys sent out this year to members of the scouting community.

The survey, according to CNN, showed a generational split with older leaders preferring the exclusion policy and younger parents and teenagers favoring lifting the ban. More from ABC on the survey:

Gay-rights groups have demanded a complete lifting of the ban, while some churches and conservative groups want it maintained in its entirety, raising the likelihood that the new proposal will draw continued criticism from both sides.

Indeed, the BSA, in making its announcement, estimated that easing the ban on gay adults could cause widespread defections that cost the organization 100,000 to 350,000 members.

The review, said a BSA statement, “created an outpouring of feedback” from 200,000 respondents, some supporting the exclusion policy and others favoring a change.

“While perspectives and opinions vary significantly, parents, adults in the Scouting community and teens alike tend to agree that youth should not be denied the benefits of Scouting,” the statement said.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: boyscouts; bsa; gay; homosexualagenda; homosexuality

1 posted on 04/19/2013 12:01:16 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

a step in the right direction for the homostapo


2 posted on 04/19/2013 12:03:22 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: SeekAndFind

The homos aren’t going to be happy until they can infiltrate homo recruiters into the Boy Scouts.


3 posted on 04/19/2013 12:04:19 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Bill of Rights?)
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To: SeekAndFind

If they do this credibility will be gone.


4 posted on 04/19/2013 12:09:50 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: manc; SeekAndFind

5 posted on 04/19/2013 12:10:36 PM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: SeekAndFind

OK then, that’ll do it for me and my son. You can’t teach God and accept homosexuality at the same time. Enough. BSA can kiss my A$$.


6 posted on 04/19/2013 12:11:10 PM PDT by paulcissa (The first requirement of Liberalism is to stand on your head and tell the world they're upside down)
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To: manc; SeekAndFind

Thanks for posting this article.

I agree... finally a decision that makes logical sense.

Besides, the experience of Boy Scouting helps one grow out of certain ‘childhood’ influences.


7 posted on 04/19/2013 12:13:42 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Old Sarge

of all the problem this country faces and is facing, fast and furious, Libya, debt, spending, inflation on the horizon , Egypt, Syria, unemployment, foreclosures to name a few and even issues as to why the white house is closed and yet there are still concerts, parties and dinners, with her family still living there which we pay for .

AND THE HOMOSTAPO STILL KEEPS TALKING ABOUT WANTING US TO CHANGE OUT VIEWS ABOUT THEIR TURD POKING.


8 posted on 04/19/2013 12:14:16 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

They already have plenty. We had one in Alaska of all places. Dude was flamin. 38 living with mommy, never married and didn’t date because the “boys” were his life.

If the scouts allow this then people need to organize and pull their kids out en masse.


9 posted on 04/19/2013 12:23:35 PM PDT by liberty or death
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To: freekitty
If they do this credibility will be gone.

WHY?

We used to have bed-wetters, and mama's boys in our troop, and members of various religions (or none at all).

We didn't discriminate against them. Like the rest of us, they learned to become true Boy Scouts, or they quit.

There are many more children today that consider themselves 'gay', so it is an issue that has to be dealt with.

LET EM IN. SINK OR SWIM.

10 posted on 04/19/2013 12:24:39 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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11 posted on 04/19/2013 12:26:25 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: UCANSEE2

Gee, I thought I said that. You do know you have to stand up, don’t you?


12 posted on 04/19/2013 12:33:32 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: SeekAndFind

I guess “boy” scouts would take on a whole new meaning.

Despicable scum - out of their minds. Who the hell would want a normal son sharing a tent with a pansey???

Americans have become so damn GUTLESS and submissive.


13 posted on 04/19/2013 12:45:22 PM PDT by ZULU (See: http://gatesofvienna.net/)
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To: UCANSEE2

The problem is they will demand the Scouts accommodate them.

I would have no problem if they were gay and fulfilled all the requirements, but experience has shown time and time again, once you allow gays in, they will fundamentally transform an organization and lower its’ standards.


14 posted on 04/19/2013 12:47:21 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind

Sure, because time and time again the concept of “the slippery slope” has proven itself a fallacy...

/s


15 posted on 04/19/2013 1:10:47 PM PDT by Eepsy
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh the art of compromise!


16 posted on 04/19/2013 1:17:40 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: SeekAndFind

I always thought the real battleground was in regard to leaders not scouts themselves. So this is better than I had feared.


17 posted on 04/19/2013 1:23:58 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: manc

sign the petition

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/demand-removal-of-james-turley-and-randall/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=system&utm_campaign=Send%2Bto%2BFriend


18 posted on 04/19/2013 1:28:04 PM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: UCANSEE2

>>LET EM IN. SINK OR SWIM.

Do you really believe that the gaystapo will settle for Sink or Swim? If you do not cater to the homosexuals’ every need, you will be called homophobic, a hater, a bully—and that’s just the boy that shares his tent! The adult leadership will be warned that anything that the gaystapo could misconstrue as unwelcoming to the homo child will end your career as a scout leader.

This isn’t about acceptance and equality. Never has been.

Eagle Scout is a good thing to have on a college app, but any parent who leaves their son in scouting after this passes is simply unfit.


19 posted on 04/19/2013 1:34:55 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92

You don’t appease evil. Ever.


20 posted on 04/19/2013 2:01:43 PM PDT by littleharbour ("All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree. ~ James Madison)
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To: SeekAndFind
Somewhere, Jerry Sandusky is smiling.

I would like one of these pervs to define what a "gay youth" is for me. To my mind, it's a kid who's been molested or had his mind twisted by a scumbag adult.

Any actions like this that seek to sexualize or sexually define kids must be stoutly resisted.
21 posted on 04/19/2013 2:10:53 PM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: paulcissa

“The policy is incoherent,” said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council. “The proposal says, in essence, that homosexuality is morally acceptable until a boy turns 18 — then, when he comes of age, he’s removed from the Scouts.”

http://news.yahoo.com/boy-scouts-propose-lift-gay-ban-youth-202110079.html


22 posted on 04/19/2013 2:15:21 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Bryanw92

The gays don’t want to be just accepted, they want to be celebrated.


23 posted on 04/19/2013 2:16:16 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: UCANSEE2

Not so easy.

Once you accept gay youths, it’s not sink or swim.

It’s accomodate......


24 posted on 04/19/2013 2:22:49 PM PDT by super7man
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To: SeekAndFind

This will get voted down unless the vote is stacked. The methodology used by the Executive Committee on this is really suspect and the choice of Harris polling is suspect.


25 posted on 04/19/2013 2:53:03 PM PDT by Maelstorm (This country wasn't founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a govt check!")
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To: super7man

Yep and just wait till a “gay scout” gets ejected for inappropriate behavior like making a pass at a fellow scout? I’ve seen this thing in churches where an open “bisexual” girl was allowed to influence another girl. There is absolutely no good reason to allow open homosexuals into scouting because they will not stop till it is transformed.


26 posted on 04/19/2013 3:00:28 PM PDT by Maelstorm (This country wasn't founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a govt check!")
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To: SeekAndFind
Why? What is wrong with the current policy, which is, presumably:
"When with other Scouts, keep your sexual thoughts (and your hands) to yourself."

Applies to all boys fairly.

27 posted on 04/19/2013 3:06:11 PM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: SeekAndFind
there fixed it...

On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake and morally straight.

28 posted on 04/19/2013 3:36:59 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: plain talk
I always thought the real battleground was in regard to leaders not scouts themselves. So this is better than I had feared.

Sure, for now.

But once you have openly gay Eagle Scouts who become adults and want to become Scout leaders, how can you seriously exclude them? If they were honorable and trustworthy enough to be Eagle Scouts, they have to be honorable and trustworthy enough to lead a troop.

If this goes through, we'll have gay Scoutmasters within five years.
29 posted on 04/19/2013 4:20:26 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: NKP_Vet
“The policy is incoherent,” said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council. “The proposal says, in essence, that homosexuality is morally acceptable until a boy turns 18 — then, when he comes of age, he’s removed from the Scouts.”

He's right.

"Incoherent" is a good word for it.
30 posted on 04/19/2013 4:22:55 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: highball
But once you have openly gay Eagle Scouts who become adults and want to become Scout leaders, how can you seriously exclude them? If they were honorable and trustworthy enough to be Eagle Scouts, they have to be honorable and trustworthy enough to lead a troop. If this goes through, we'll have gay Scoutmasters within five years.

I agree it is not good. Just better than I feared. To your point being a scout is different than being a leader so I see no problem excluding gays from being leaders. So I don't agree on that one in short term. I do agree with you we may different situation 5 years form now.

31 posted on 04/19/2013 4:32:29 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: SeekAndFind

I seriously question whether a boy of 10, 12, or younger could know his sexual orientation. Do children really need to be sexualized so young?


32 posted on 04/19/2013 5:01:08 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: All

Scoute Ping


33 posted on 04/19/2013 5:07:05 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SeekAndFind

If this happens, scouting is over.


34 posted on 04/19/2013 5:30:28 PM PDT by RingerSIX (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccine that they offer down at our Church.)
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To: highball

All the sudden the BSA will condone the sin of sodomy? If they go through with this garbage, stick a fork in them, they are done. God does not change his views on sin, and you can not be a sodomite and be living your life according to the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

“On my honor I will do my best
to do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout law;
to help other people at all times;
to keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight”

http://web.archive.org/web/20100206191637/http://www.bsalegal.org/morally-straight-cases-225.asp


35 posted on 04/19/2013 6:06:03 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: RingerSIX

RE: If this happens, scouting is over.

Not really, someone else will form a more CONSERVATIVE and COURAGEOUS alternative.


36 posted on 04/19/2013 6:24:37 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: UCANSEE2
There are many more children today that consider themselves 'gay', so it is an issue that has to be dealt with.

More? Maybe. Many? Absolutely not.

Just because the media crow from the rooftops every time they find one doesn't mean there is an epidemic.

My college newspaper tried really hard to make it look like there were mass demonstrations all the time. Except when you happened by a few of these "events" to find the same three idiots actively participating in every one with normal college traffic included to make it look like a mass event.

Part of the left's power is convincing people like you there is even an issue to be considered.

37 posted on 04/19/2013 6:36:06 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: SeekAndFind
If the "gay" scouts are beaten up by normal scouts while camping in the woods, will anyone be surprised?

I won't.

38 posted on 04/19/2013 6:48:05 PM PDT by Octar
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To: SeekAndFind
If the "gay" scouts are beaten up by normal scouts while camping in the woods, will anyone be surprised?

I won't.

39 posted on 04/19/2013 6:48:55 PM PDT by Octar
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To: UCANSEE2
There are many more children today that consider themselves 'gay', so it is an issue that has to be dealt with.

How do "children" end up somehow declaring that they are "gay"? Did someone coach them or coerce them to declare themselves "gay"? How would an 8-14 yr old boy ever recognize that they are gay? Do they start committing sodomy as young minors and if so with whom? Or most likely there are homosexual pedophiles who sexually assult young boys and in the process coerce them to homosexual lifestyle?

I ask these questions, because I think that most stories of "children or early teens" who somehow declare themselves to be "gay" are in fact, coached & coerced to say that. I was in Boy Scouts for 6 years (as well as Cub Scouts) and in fact we all went nude swimming on Boy Scout swim night at the Univ of Wis-Stout swimming pool. The issue of "gay" was never and I mean never considered to be any issue or even recognition of gay. We had multiple overnight camp-outs with not even a hint of homosexual behavior. I think that stories of so-called "gay" children or early teens are in fact a bunch of lies being perpetuated by the adult gays & perverts to make it appear as if being a homo pervert is overwhelmingly widespread.

And from Romans 1:18-32, we know that homosexuality & lesbian lifestyle are unnatural and the lowest form of reprobate, devian behavior & outright rebellion against God.

40 posted on 04/19/2013 8:36:10 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: dfwgator

“The problem is they will demand the Scouts accommodate them.”

Yup. And the first time a parent refuses to let their son tent with a teenage homosexual unsupervised, there will be a lawsuit.


41 posted on 04/19/2013 10:56:50 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: UCANSEE2

First, form your own boy scouting group that allows homosexuals in. They have the right of Free Association, just as the Boy Scouts of America do.

Second, this is defacto admittance of homosexual leaders. If you allow a youth “homosexual” in, who then goes on to become an Eagle Scout, how do you deny him a leadership position or a position as a counselor when he’s 19?

The BSA just needs to say “no”, keep the existing policy in place and let the liberals make up their own group. Let them walk.


42 posted on 04/20/2013 4:32:09 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

If the vast majority of Christian faiths that actually sponsor the scouts protested this decision it would never happen. I know for a fact that my church will dissolve their association with the BSA if this goes through. And that will be sad because we have sponsored a Boy Scout Troup for years. And thousands more will do the same all over the country. But plain and simple you can not go against your faith in matters of morality and there will be no homosexuals admitted. It’s impossible. It is the exact same thing as Obamagabe saying Catholic organizations have to provide abortion inducing drugs in their insurance plans. Ain’t gonna happen. Obama wants to destroy the Christian faith in this country and any organization that anything to do with Christianity. Can you imagine this BS happening if GW Bush were still president, or for that matter any republican. Having Barry Bathhouse in the White House is the reason that not a day goes by that you do not hear something about sodomy being legalized in America. Perverts take up for their own. Google Larry Sinclair and find out all you want to know about Barry Bathhouse.


43 posted on 04/20/2013 6:54:03 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: 1010RD

Thank you for your response.

My comment was based on the experience of seeing Boy Scouts turn (momma’s boys, bed-wetters, homos) into men.

Of course, there was the one ‘potential’ Eagle Scout that had managed to stay a homosexual, so your concerns are valid.


44 posted on 04/20/2013 1:14:22 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: freekitty
You do know you have to stand up

Do I have to raise my hand too ?

45 posted on 04/20/2013 1:15:58 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Bryanw92
Do you really believe that the gaystapo will settle for Sink or Swim?

Only if we can take America back from the Communists and Homosexuals (i.e. the Obama Administration, the Congress , and the Senate).

46 posted on 04/20/2013 1:19:27 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: hopespringseternal
Part of the left's power is convincing people like you there is even an issue to be considered.

Part of the left's power is convincing people like 'them' that they are gay. And there are MORE of them being RAISED as gay, or CONVINCED by media influence that they are gay, than there were when I was a boy.

I agree that the actual 'amount' of occurrences of 'gay' boys entering Scouts may not be on an epidemic scale, but it most definitely is an issue that has to be dealt with. That is just an OBVIOUS FACT based on the fact that there have been lawsuits and the Boy Scout Leadership is addressing the issue in the public venue.

47 posted on 04/20/2013 1:26:35 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: rcrngroup

I’d answer your questions, but you seemed to do a good job answering them yourself, and I think we are pretty much in total agreement.


48 posted on 04/20/2013 1:29:22 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: UCANSEE2

That sounds like a nice touch. :)


49 posted on 04/20/2013 2:44:03 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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