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The Issue is Not Chechnya, Itís Islamist Terrorism
Front Page Magazine ^ | April 19, 2013 | By Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 04/19/2013 10:25:06 AM PDT by drewh

Now that we know who the bombers are and one of them is dead, and that they are Chechen Muslims, the media has gone into “Palestinian” mode insisting that we need to talk about the conflict in Chechnya.

We can talk about Chechnya, but the issue there and everywhere else is Islamic nationalism or Islamism. The bombers could have been from Chechnya or Mali or Bosnia or Iraq or Egypt or Afghanistan or any Muslim country where Islamists are active. And that’s most Muslim countries, especially after the Arab Spring.

There is a conflict in Chechnya and Iraq and Pakistan and Afghanistan and Thailand and Nigeria and the Philippines and India and Israel and France and a hundred other countries.

Where there is a sizable Muslim majority or even sizable minority, there is conflict.

Any talk about pressuring Russia into “resolving” or “appeasing” Chechen Islamists (at least the ones not allied with Russia) is a silly waste of time.

Russia isn’t Israel. It’s not going to be intimidated into making deals with terrorists. And talking about the demands of Chechen Islamists is a waste of time. Their demands are the same as the demands of all Islamists.

Islamism is Transnational. You cannot solve it locally. The situation in Israel has proven that. Giving in to territorial demands always fails because a transnational movement wants more than a few miles here and there. They want a regional and then a global Caliphate.

America had nothing to do with the conflict in Chechnya. That didn’t stop Dzhokar Tsarneav and Tamerlan Tsarneav from carrying out the mass murder of Americans.

To understand Dzhokar Tsarneav and Tamerlan Tsarneav is to understand that Islam is transnational.

“World view” is listed as “Islam” and his “Personal priority” is “career and money”.

He has posted links to videos of fighters in the Syrian civil war and to Islamic web pages with titles like “Salamworld, my religion is Islam” and “There is no God but Allah, let that ring out in our hearts”.

It’s Allah Akbar all over again.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bostonbombers; danielgreenfield; globaljihad; greenfield; islam; islamicterrorism; jihad; radicalislam; sharia; terrorism; tsarneav
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1 posted on 04/19/2013 10:25:06 AM PDT by drewh
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To: drewh

Sooner or later, they’re going to have to be glassed.

Only question is: before or after they glass one of our cities?

If I were to be forced to place a bet, I’d bet on “after.”


2 posted on 04/19/2013 10:26:32 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: drewh

With the goal of saving even one life being worth the effort, we now must do this.

It is time for Commonsense Muslim Reform.

All Muslims must register with the ATF-M. Any failure to register will result in a 10 year term in federal prison.

All Muslims must maintain 100,000 dollars of liability insurance.

All Muslims must pay a tax of 10 dollars per prayer to Mecca to help offset the cost of emergency operations that result from those prayers.

Muslims shall not be allowed to pass their religion to their children, family members or anyone else without first submitting to a universal background check.

Upon death, the Muslim shall surrender his religion as property of the federal government.

No mosque shall be permitted to have more then seven members. High capacity assault mosques are now outlawed.

No given city is allowed to have more than one mosque.

The families of the victims of these assault Muslims shall be flown around at taxpayer expense to participate in this debate, and they will be allowed to prevail.

America has spoken.

Senators and congresspersons, it’s time to show some guts.

We are not going to take no for an answer.


3 posted on 04/19/2013 10:28:57 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Steely Tom

Only question is: before or after they glass one of our cities?

If I were to be forced to place a bet, I’d bet on “after.”
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Unfortunately it won’t be “after they glass one of our cities”, it will be “after they have glassed A NUMBER of our cities”.


4 posted on 04/19/2013 10:29:11 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: drewh

Well, now that we know these two individuals are islamic swine, not “right wingers” or tea party members, I demand that Michael Moore be deported. I hope you read this, you fat piece of shit.


5 posted on 04/19/2013 10:33:19 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: drewh

It’s islamism, period.

It’s terrible that in wishing islamists destroyed that one must use discretion in not including the President Of The United States even though he is the islamist in Chief.

God help us.


6 posted on 04/19/2013 10:35:02 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: drewh

Greenfield - as always - nails it.

A muzzie is a muzzie is a muzzie. It doesn’t matter where they come from; they know the US welcomes them here to spread their filthy designs to infest America just like the turd-world countries they leave behind.


7 posted on 04/19/2013 10:36:52 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: drewh
By the same author:

Islam is the Ultimate Sleeper Cell

8 posted on 04/19/2013 10:37:30 AM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: drewh
Where there is a sizable Muslim majority or even sizable minority, there is conflict.

Let me put that another way, please, drewh: there may be one or two violent conflicts in the world that aren't Islamic-caused.

9 posted on 04/19/2013 10:37:34 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: drewh
LOCKDOWN: ONE BOSTON SUSPECT IS DEAD, ONE ON THE RUN — POLICE BELIEVE MORE MAY BE INVOLVED

Police believe more may be involved!

"Police now believe that more people may be involved, according to NBC's Pete Williams. He said this afternoon that the city's lockdown status may be the result of police believing that the "marathon bombing is the work of more than just two people."

10 posted on 04/19/2013 10:40:22 AM PDT by blam
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To: drewh; chris37; SpaceBar; All

The ISSUE is immigration! ALL of them, including these two jihadi’s have come in LEGALLY!!! And now, the same facilitators want to bring in MORE!
Better learn WHO is behind this AMNESTY which will overwhelm us with more of the same!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3009500/posts?page=36#36


11 posted on 04/19/2013 10:44:31 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: drewh

Analyst on FoxNews said that the videos these guys posted on youtube showed that they were hard core Jihadists and not just Chechyan freedom advocates. The videos were of the Russians and Americans in Afghanistan, etc. They seemed to become involved in the Jihadi activities and interests about 3 years ago.

He also said that they were in the US because some family member [I didn’t catch which] was here on government-granted asylum, which made all family members eligible to travel to the US with the one granted asylum.


12 posted on 04/19/2013 10:47:56 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: drewh
we need to talk about the conflict in Chechnya.

We do. We need to talk about what America can do to help the Russians in hunting down and killing every terrorist in Chechnya who wants to murder innocent Americans, every terrorist in Chechnya who wants to murder innocent Russians, and every other Chechen terrorist. We need to talk about what Russia/England/France/China/Germany can do to help us in hunting down and killing every terrorist in the world who wants to murder innocents anywhere. We need to talk - briefly - and then start treating all terrorists as enemies of civilization who are guilty of crimes against humanity.

13 posted on 04/19/2013 10:50:55 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: drewh

Ummat al-Islamiyah is conducting a war against civilization.


14 posted on 04/19/2013 10:53:31 AM PDT by gasport (I ain't got no guns.)
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To: blam
Fox now reporting on Jihadist videos that perp's brother (the one that is dead) posted--very violent and full of "anti-infidel" messages.

Seems to point to a "cell" of people with Jihadist ties, rather than two "lone wolves" who became "unhappy" with life is the US.

Hope, if this is true, these two brothers can unwittingly lead to a larger group of terrorists.

Also, maybe this awful act of terror might help wake up some of those who define "tolerance" as "justifying" everything anybody says and does as "good" and "right",

15 posted on 04/19/2013 10:56:24 AM PDT by milagro (There is no peace in appeasement.)
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To: drewh

The issue isn’t Islamic Terrorism, its ISLAM.

I never heard of a Buddhist, Hindu, Sikh, Lutheran, Hassidim, Catholic or Zoroastrian “Islamic” terrorist.

This is a cult of death and hate that feeds off fear, hate and ignorance.

And I want to know WHY the idiots in Washington- ALL of them, are letting Muslims into my COUntry in the FIRST place.


16 posted on 04/19/2013 11:02:01 AM PDT by ZULU (See: http://gatesofvienna.net/)
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To: drewh
ISLAM.....


17 posted on 04/19/2013 11:03:16 AM PDT by Dallas59 (America died a little bit more on 11/6/2012)
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To: drewh

http://www.alkavkaz.com/


18 posted on 04/19/2013 11:07:15 AM PDT by gandalftb
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To: drewh

The issue is ISLAM. THAT is the fetid nest of all of this. THAT is what continually produces these pre-historic monsters. Destroy the nest, destroy the problem.
NOW can we call for the ‘control’ and banning of Muslims like some want to control and ban INANIMATE OBJECTS?
NOW can we stop looking at little old ladies and babies in strollers and look at MUSLIMS?
NOW can we check the universities these Muslims come to and CLEAN THEM OUT!
NOW do we check all medical students and doctors who are Muslim? Why not?
NOW can we face the enemy?
Or do we play with our cellphones and write countless attacks off as ‘isolated incidents’? Where is the OUTRAGE? Where is the anger? Why are so many just shrugging this off as the price we have to pay for freedom? NO! Freedom for US not the enemy. Blase gets us Beirut and lives with IED’s.
If guns are bad before they do anything- why aren’t Muslims?


19 posted on 04/19/2013 11:07:50 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: milagro

Well said


20 posted on 04/19/2013 11:08:59 AM PDT by murrie (Margaret Thatcher. You were one of the best!!!!)
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To: gasport

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onward,_Christian_Soldiers


21 posted on 04/19/2013 11:11:05 AM PDT by gasport (I ain't got no guns.)
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To: ClearBlueSky

BINGO


22 posted on 04/19/2013 11:14:28 AM PDT by ZULU (See: http://gatesofvienna.net/)
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To: drewh
Exactly....

I thin k in the long run....Putin will make a public statement. And I think he's gonna tell us we had info on these guys all along.

23 posted on 04/19/2013 11:16:58 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: drewh

i thought the president said it was some one mad at tax day!


24 posted on 04/19/2013 11:19:41 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: murrie

Thank you—and LOVE your tag line!


25 posted on 04/19/2013 11:19:50 AM PDT by milagro (There is no peace in appeasement.)
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To: ClearBlueSky

Join me today, and every day, in the loss and the anger. The job’s not done. This anger won’t stop, until it is finished..
Do you recall the cowards who beheaded helpless victims on video? I want to hunt these bastards and their ilk down where ever they hide and exterminate them. No negotiations, No reasoning, No prisoners. Just dead. Years from now, I want their children’s children’s children to cower and cringe in fear whenever they hear the sounds of jet engines overhead because their legends tell of fire from the sky.
I want them to hide in dark caves and holes in the earth, shivering with terror whenever they hear the roar of diesel engines because the tales of their ancestors talk about metal monsters crawling over the earth, spitting death and destruction.
I want their mothers to be able to admonish them with “If you don’t behave, the Pale Destroyers will come for you”, and that will be enough to reduce them to quivering obedience.
I want the annihilation to be so complete that their mythology will tell them of the day of judgment when the stern God from across the sea and the powerful Americans .. destroyed their forefathers’ wickedness.”

NEVER FORGET... NEVER FORGIVE!!!!!!!


26 posted on 04/19/2013 11:21:39 AM PDT by itsLUCKY2B (?Borders, Language, and Culture.?)
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To: drewh
Well I hate to burst that bubble but being chechen is a big part of it, imo. I studied the chechens intensely every day for many years.

The chechen culture existed before wahabi came.

27 posted on 04/19/2013 11:22:48 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: drewh

While this is essentially, true, the issue has become Chechnya, whether it is politically correct to say so or not. Radical Islamists flocked to Chechnya to help them fight against Russia, the Mujadeen in Chechnya morphed into Al Qaeda.

Take a look at this and tell me that Chechnya is not part of the problem:
The Smell of Paradise - http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/smell-paradise/

-An Islamic world tour is documented here by visits to Pakistan, Afghanistan, Chechnya, and Qatar, to highlight events post 9/11, including footage taken a few years before.
The film above all endeavors to shed light on the process leading young men to the radical choice of self-sacrifice, becoming human bombs.
The directors of the film traveled for ten years throughout these countries under heavy Muslim influence, and met with clan leaders, mullahs, and other strict followers of the Koran.

The Smell of Paradise was shot in Chechnya, Dagestan, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Qatar and Afghanistan, in places that have become white spaces on the map of Western journalism.
It takes the viewer not only into a different world, but also to another time. The result is a unique glance into the land of the jihad, the mental and physical battle that drives the Islamic fundamentalist movement.

http://www.amazon.com/Chechnya-Jihad-Marc-Andre-Meyers/dp/0916251179

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j70qbmdU3E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j70qbmdU3E
http://www.amazon.com/Chechnya-Jihad-Marc-Andre-Meyers/dp/0916251179


28 posted on 04/19/2013 12:04:35 PM PDT by Eva
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To: drewh

29 posted on 04/19/2013 12:05:40 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: drewh

I seem to remember 60 minutes here in Aust. shilling for the the Chechen Rebels against the Russian military. We may not like Putin’s way of doing things at time but at least he knows his enemies and how to dispatch them.

60 mintues are very helpful though - I have realised over the years that those rebels or freedom fighters they shill for are tomorrows terrorists. It’s nice to be forewarned.

Mel


30 posted on 04/19/2013 12:12:09 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: AuntB

Oh yes, you are right.

I do not want nay part of immigration reform or anything else this psychotic government of fools wants to perpetrate on us.

ENOUGH!


31 posted on 04/19/2013 12:57:23 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: itsLUCKY2B

AMEN! THANK YOU! We need that attitude in MILLIONS of Americans to rise up and END THIS insanity. I want the word ‘Islam’ to join the ranks of dead ‘religions’ and I want it considered an obscenity by all mankind for all time.


32 posted on 04/19/2013 1:03:27 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: House Atreides
Yeah!

Look what they did to NYC! and we have done...



NOTHING!

33 posted on 04/19/2013 3:09:02 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: AuntB
And now, the same facilitators want to bring in MORE!

HELLO!

Our prisons churn out BLACK Muslims by the THOUSANDS!!!

34 posted on 04/19/2013 3:10:51 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ClearBlueSky
If guns are bad before they do anything- why aren’t Muslims?

If fetuses are disposable; why not adults?

35 posted on 04/19/2013 3:13:31 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

And one doesn’t excuse the other.


36 posted on 04/19/2013 3:13:53 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: melsec
I have realised over the years that those rebels or freedom fighters they shill for are tomorrows terrorists. It’s nice to be forewarned.

Kinda like another Freedom Fighter...


http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/castro-visits-the-united-states

37 posted on 04/19/2013 3:16:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: drewh

Dead on. Islam is very anti-nationist. They want a world-wide Caliphate.


38 posted on 04/19/2013 5:55:44 PM PDT by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: drewh
Any talk about pressuring Russia into “resolving” or “appeasing” Chechen Islamists (at least the ones not allied with Russia) is a silly waste of time.

Because we in the US no longer have any leadership willing to stand up and say the following:

Admittedly I haven't verified this, but the basics match what I have heard of Putin, and should be the guidepost of all Western Civilizations. Get the Islamist usurpers out of our government!

39 posted on 04/19/2013 5:58:05 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Standing Wolf
there may be one or two violent conflicts in the world that aren't Islamic-caused.

Northern Ireland, and gang wars in Central America are honestly the only two I can think of. Every other conflict I can think of involves Islam.

40 posted on 04/19/2013 6:30:41 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: Eva
Interesting piece from the CFR's website to add to your list of references:

Chechen Terrorism

Are there links between Chechen groups and al-Qaeda?

Experts say there are several ties between the al-Qaeda network and Chechen groups. A Chechen warlord known as Khattab is said to have met with Osama bin Laden while both men were fighting the 1979-89 Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Alexander Vershbow, a U.S. ambassador to Russia, said shortly after September 11, 2001, "We have long recognized that Osama bin Laden and other international networks have been fueling the flames in Chechnya, including the involvement of foreign commanders like Khattab." Khattab was killed in April 2002.

Zacarias Moussaoui, who was convicted for his involvement in the September 11 attacks, was reported by the Wall Street Journal to be formerly "a recruiter for al-Qaeda-backed rebels in Chechnya." Chechen militants reportedly fought alongside al-Qaeda and Taliban forces against the U.S.-backed Northern Alliance in late 2001. The Taliban regime in Afghanistan was one of the only governments to recognize Chechen independence.

Russian authorities, including Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, have repeatedly stressed the involvement of international terrorists and Bin Laden associates in Chechnya--in part, experts say, to generate Western sympathy for Russia's military campaign against the Chechen rebels. Russia's former defense minister, Sergei Ivanov, claimed that a videotape of Khattab meeting with bin Laden had been found in Afghanistan, but Russia has not aired the tape publicly.

41 posted on 04/19/2013 9:31:33 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora

Thanks for the link. Where were you on the confirmation of Hagel? I could have used your help.

Al Zawahiri and Kalid Sheik Mohamed both had some ties to Chechny. Kalid tried to go there to establish an Al Qaeda base, but couldn’t get through due to the bad weather and rough terrain. Zawahiri also tried to establish Chechnya as the home of Al Qaeda, from where he planned to attack the USA.

http://74.6.116.71/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=Zawahiri+in+Chechnya&fr=aaplw&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=Zawahiri+in+Chechnya&d=4917802936961062&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=HKvQhupxGlW8W62Wo8DKCVw5uYqNpIQ0&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=67lG68hZXvcKcCa6CqSIUg

A fascinating piece by Andrew Higgins and Alan Cullison recently appeared in The Wall Street Journal [July 2] with the title: “How a Secret, Failed Trip to Chechnya Turned Key Plotter’s Focus to America and bin Laden.” The key plotter in this case was 9/11 mastermind and bin Laden’s Egyptian lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahiri. The article’s title suggests that Zawahiri’s failure to settle in Chechnya (due to his “detention” by the KGB/FSB in 1996-97) led him to Afghanistan and an alliance with bin Laden. But according to ranking U.S. terrorism expert, Yossef Bodansky, Egyptian Jihad leader Zawahiri was preparing a massive terrorist assault on America as early as 1993, years before he “disappeared” into Russia for six months.


42 posted on 04/19/2013 9:42:34 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Fedora

We have a lot of Chechens, here in WA State. The head of the IT dept where my husband works bought his house from the bomber’s uncle. People were out there taking pictures of his house in Ferndale, WA, all day.


43 posted on 04/19/2013 9:46:11 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Fedora

We have a lot of Chechens, here in WA State. The head of the IT dept where my husband works bought his house from the bomber’s uncle. People were out there taking pictures of his house in Ferndale, WA, all day.

Oh, and when my son was in ninth grade in the public school a kid from the same region (we called them all Russians) told everyone that he had made three pipe bombs from directions that he got from the Anarchist Cookbook at the public library and he was going to use one of them to blow up our house because we lived in a gate guarded golf course community. He was going to use the other to blow up the school cafeteria and he was taking suggestions for the third.


44 posted on 04/19/2013 9:48:59 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Fedora

I forgot to mention that Saddam Hussein was training Chechens in training camps in Iraq and also the Chechens were allied with Ghaddafi in Libya. We have no filter to keep these terrorists out of the country. We were taking anyone who was anti-Soviet union, as if the cold war was still a factor.


45 posted on 04/19/2013 10:09:20 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Elsie

Exactly Elsie!

Blessings

Mel


46 posted on 04/20/2013 2:48:32 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: ClearBlueSky
Destroy the nest, destroy the problem.

Nuke the Kaa'ba, it's the only way to be sure.

47 posted on 04/20/2013 9:58:13 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Pollster1
...every terrorist in Chechnya who wants to murder innocent Russians...

My generation grew up in an atmosphere where the phrase "innocent Russians" was meaningless. But we never heard much about the Mohammadens, just that they existed as another religion and created algebra.

48 posted on 04/20/2013 10:04:48 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: brityank
We better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland, and France, if we are to survive as a nation.

Stopped clock, right twice a day.

49 posted on 04/20/2013 10:07:02 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed
My generation grew up in an atmosphere where the phrase "innocent Russians" was meaningless.

I know the feeling. My involvement in the Cold War lasted quite a few years, and my feelings about the Russian communists was similar to my feelings about the communist in our White House today. However, the Russian children murdered by today's barbarians are as worthy of protection as our own. I'd like to see every civilized government in the world decide that it's always open season on terrorists, regardless of who they plan to target.

50 posted on 04/20/2013 10:17:47 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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