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Barack Obama can't pass gun control despite 90 per cent support.
The Telegraph ^ | April 18th, 2013 | Tim Stanley

Posted on 04/18/2013 5:45:28 AM PDT by apillar

Yesterday, the most modest of gun control proposals died in the Senate. It would have expanded background checks to people purchasing weapons at gun shows and online sales, enjoyed 90 per cent support among the public and came on the back of the tragedy at Newtown. Yet, despite all that it had going for it, the Toomey-Manchin bill raised just 54 votes – six short of the number necessary for passage. “This is a pretty shameful day for Washington,” said Obama afterwards. It wasn’t exactly a red letter day for him, either.

Barack Obama is a lame duck president. Nobody listens to what he says anymore, nobody is interested in winning his approval and nobody much cares if he thinks they have “let the country down”. This is typical for a second-term president who has lost all their leverage because they’re no longer running for office and everybody is patiently waiting for the day when he quits the White House. But Obama's difficult personality has doubled the size of the challenge. Gloating in victory, adolescent in defeat – the Prez doesn’t make it easy to work with him. Why should conservative senators give him a legislative victory after he has spent four years painting them as knuckle-dragging rednecks who hate women and the poor?

Whatever your position on gun control, yesterday’s events are a damning indictment of Obama’s presidency – a flash of style, lots of soaring rhetoric and, when the votes are actually counted, little show for any of it. America has four more years of this lame-duck president telling them that it has let him down. If only he could tear up the Constitution and rule by diktat he might save himself a little disappointment. Alas, American democracy is a stickler for rules.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; obama; obamagunpresser; secondamendment
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The writer point's out what I've suspected for years, that Obama has always been far more popular with Democrat voters, than democrat politicians. As his gun control loss shows, his sway even within his own party is virtually nonexistent (remember, he just barely got Obamacare with huge democrat majorities in both houses).
1 posted on 04/18/2013 5:45:28 AM PDT by apillar
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To: apillar

The reason he’s not as popular with the ‘rat/commie politicians is that he’s going too fast, turning up the heat on the frog too fast, waking the sleeping giant of patriotic opposition.


2 posted on 04/18/2013 5:46:34 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: apillar
B(arbara) S(treisand)!

Gallup: Only 4% of Americans Think Gun Control is an Important Problem

3 posted on 04/18/2013 5:47:08 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth." --Alan Greenspan)
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To: apillar

90% support from who?

I doubt he has that much support from his immediate family and staff.

On the other hand, he crammed health care into law despite 80% AGAINST, so what’s that mean?


4 posted on 04/18/2013 5:47:29 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: apillar

Can someone please cite this 90% number? Did this report check their Excel formulas like Reinhart and Rogoff did not?


5 posted on 04/18/2013 5:48:32 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: apillar

I hope Cuomo is seeing the writing on the wall.

He is up for re-election next year.

Maybe Paladino will run again AND ignore the idiots in the GOP who ruined his campaign after he kicked their asses in the primary.


6 posted on 04/18/2013 5:48:48 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Mr. K

That number is total BS.


7 posted on 04/18/2013 5:48:58 AM PDT by bryan999
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To: apillar

Now they (the ususal suspect) are claiming: Manchin blew it.


8 posted on 04/18/2013 5:49:26 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: apillar
Yesterday, the most modest of gun control proposals died in the Senate.

That's as far as I could get.

9 posted on 04/18/2013 5:49:51 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Who knows where he gets his 90% figure, but all my liberal relations are citing it like it’s proof positive the republicans in congress are evil.


10 posted on 04/18/2013 5:50:39 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: apillar; MrB

Obama's 90% Lies


11 posted on 04/18/2013 5:51:39 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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80% SUPPORT?! From who? Libtard propogandists media scum... that’s about it! The number I’ve been seeing is around 4%, and the limp-wristed pansy Republitards still won’t grow a set.


12 posted on 04/18/2013 5:51:56 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: apillar

Obama's 90% Lies


13 posted on 04/18/2013 5:52:06 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Wyatt's Torch
Can someone please cite this 90% number? Did this report check their Excel formulas like Reinhart and Rogoff did not?

If I remember correctly, it was from a poll paid for by MSNBC and conducted by Quinipiac University (which happens to be located in Connecticut relatively close to Newtown). So it is suspect to begin with. Also the way the question was asked was vague, "Do you think background checks should be required for gun purchases?" Not about the Manchin-Toomey bill specifically....

14 posted on 04/18/2013 5:52:51 AM PDT by apillar
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To: MrB

A recent shows 4% consider gun control a priority issue.


15 posted on 04/18/2013 5:52:54 AM PDT by AU72
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To: apillar

“It would have expanded background checks to people purchasing weapons at gun shows and online sales”

Pretty sure this is the law right now.


16 posted on 04/18/2013 5:52:57 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Wyatt's Torch
"Can someone please cite this 90% number? Did this report check their Excel formulas like Reinhart and Rogoff did not?"

It depends on how you phrase the question. I have no doubt that 90% think that psychotic mass murderers should be prevented from buying guns. The problem is that's not what Obama's pet legislation does. (Or would have done anything at all to stop Adam Lanza.)

17 posted on 04/18/2013 5:53:23 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: apillar

This story is written like we wish it was.

Obama still has the power. Harry Reid his suck butt is still running the Senate. This bill or one like it will be back and Obama will still be writing Executive orders.

Watch closely and we might see Nancy Pelosi back as Speaker.
Then what will we have to say about a Lame Duck Obama.

We won a small victory on that we are losing in many Democrat States such as mine in Maryland, where we have an iodiot by the name of O’Mally who is bleeding us dry and going after our guns.


18 posted on 04/18/2013 5:53:52 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Mr. K

just not 60% of the Senate including Harry Reid.


19 posted on 04/18/2013 5:54:30 AM PDT by sappy (criminaldems)
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To: MrB

More to the point, I believe the Dems think he’s going too fast, too far, and putting their reelection hopes in danger.

If they could, they’d go just as fast and far if their jobs were secure.


20 posted on 04/18/2013 5:54:54 AM PDT by FatherFig1o155 (Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.)
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To: apillar

I’d like to know who this supposed 90% support is.
Four out of Five stoners in a Californistan meth lab?


21 posted on 04/18/2013 5:55:07 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Wyatt's Torch
90% of respondents agreed to "reasonable background checks on gun purchases" -- they did not agree to expanding existing checks (in fact, some may feel the current ones are unreasonable, but would still agree with the question as posed).
22 posted on 04/18/2013 5:55:09 AM PDT by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

He pulled the 90% number out of his ass. It’s where he gets all his numbers.


23 posted on 04/18/2013 5:55:16 AM PDT by henkster (I have one more cow than my neighbor. I am a kulak.)
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To: apillar

It means the public trusts their neighbors with guns more than their government to be honest.


24 posted on 04/18/2013 5:56:11 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: FatherFig1o155

They know that the communist agenda exposed is the communist agenda thwarted.

They still want communism, but they know they can’t do it the way 0bama is doing it.


25 posted on 04/18/2013 5:56:43 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: apillar
Bullcrap

this quote from yesterdays Rush show

There's a Gallup poll out. “Only 4% of Americans Think Gun Control is an Important Problem.” Only 4%! After all the Newtown stuff on Air Force One. After all the so-called lobbying. After all of the caring. After all of the attention. After all of the focus. Only 4% of the American people think gun control is an important problem, but the people in Washington do not care. We've got Dingy Harry out talking about the anti-gun bill, letting the cat out of the bag. And that has always been the point, folks.

These polls saying that 90% of Americans believe in universal background checks, not true. They ignore the fact that nearly 100% of Americans do not think this is an issue. Only 4% of Americans think gun control’s an important problem. Can I talk to you about disconnect? If you turn on the media, if you listen to it, read it, watch it, all you'll think is going on is gun control and immigration. Alternate hours, alternate days, gun control here, immigration there. The next hour, immigration, then gun control.

26 posted on 04/18/2013 5:56:46 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Wyatt's Torch
Follow the links in the article.
The poll surveyed 1,772 registered voters from January 30 to February 4 and had a margin of error of plus or minus 2.3 percentage points, Quinnipiac said.

1,772 people represent the entire population of the United States, don'cha know...

27 posted on 04/18/2013 5:57:22 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: Wyatt's Torch

the ninety percent is an out an out lie, my sis and I have parted ways over this, she buys it one hundred percent and says my views are “ugly” so I will stop all political discussions with her—typical Democrat be ess if you don’t agree with someone you attack them as “ugly”


28 posted on 04/18/2013 5:58:03 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: apillar
I think the major issue this time is simply that the people aren't having any part of more gun control. There is a big plurality of people out there who own guns and use them sensibly. Despite an all-out propaganda effort by the media, a fresh tragedy at Newtown, and a lot of browbeating by the Schoolmarm President, the country mostly knows better.

We're not having it. That message has been clearly communicated to our elected officials in most of the country, and they pursue a gun-control agenda at peril of their political careers.

I think that's the real lesson here, and a message that has been suppressed by the media. Gun control failed at the grassroots level, period. How 'bout that power to the people?

29 posted on 04/18/2013 5:58:17 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: apillar
Barack Obama can't pass gun control despite 90 per cent support

90% support?

The writer must be thinking that, the amount of support for Obama with blacks, directly translates to the general population for all issues.

Either that or the author used an inverse of the real support which gun control gets, that being that, only about 10% support gun control, and 90% oppose it. ;)
30 posted on 04/18/2013 5:58:31 AM PDT by adorno (Y)
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To: apillar

To them, their claimed 90% is like the claims of the Global Warming Scam that “the science is settled”.

Show me the proof, and the questions put forth, and their complete analysis. They can’t. They won’t. Hockey Stick crap through and through.


31 posted on 04/18/2013 5:59:01 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: MrB

MSLSD, si going buts call reps traitors, cowards and liars as well as calling the NRA the same.

They have not even mentioned or covered the TX explosion even though this is worse than Boston but then again for these clowns TX is the south , Boston the north, Boston a liberal city, West and WACO small towns in the south.

They keep referring to the 90% of people support it, well they can keep going on with that lie but even the Dems who voted against it know that is not true once the 90% is told how background checks really work


32 posted on 04/18/2013 5:59:55 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: keats5

MSLSD keeps talking 90% because they got that number form a poll done by one of the liberal networks.


33 posted on 04/18/2013 6:00:56 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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34 posted on 04/18/2013 6:00:56 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: Mr. K

90% support from people who support it.


35 posted on 04/18/2013 6:01:03 AM PDT by JaguarXKE (Welcome to the new America.)
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To: apillar

It died because the 90% figure is fictional.


36 posted on 04/18/2013 6:01:17 AM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: keats5

MSLSD keeps talking 90% because they got that number form a poll done by one of the liberal networks.

Now the left have their talking point , now all left wing nuts will repeat that number.

MSLSD will have to mention the explosion in TX at some point even though they know damn well that the school shooting emotion is going away and their never let a crisis go to waste is going in the crap heap


37 posted on 04/18/2013 6:02:16 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: yldstrk

At least she didn’t call you ‘racist’ for it ... :p


38 posted on 04/18/2013 6:02:52 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: manc

I thought his lie about the defacto registration was typical, as well.

Yeah, sure ‘bammers, it’s “illegal” for the fedgov to keep a registry of everyone that goes through the background check system,

but we dismiss your referral to the law as a restraint,
because you have shown an ubiquitous disregard for any
law restraining your power.


39 posted on 04/18/2013 6:04:07 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: keats5
“Who knows where he gets his 90% figure, but all my liberal relations are citing it like it’s proof positive the republicans in congress are evil.”

Just remind them the liberal socialist democrats control the US Senate, and secondly, it was a bipartisan defeat for gun control, with five of their own democrats voting to kill it! Isn't that what the liberals always preach, “compromise?” Well they got it handed to them in spades!!

40 posted on 04/18/2013 6:04:19 AM PDT by PotatoChop (Respect is earned, not demanded by this out of control socialist government!)
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To: apillar

exactly

MSLSD is using a poll done after the shooting and using it as if 90% of ALL AMERICANS support it .

Now the left wing nuts and haters are going mad and losing it while trying to keep their anti gun agenda back on track , even more so when they can’t even mention TX and the people in danger, lost homes, people died etc


41 posted on 04/18/2013 6:04:22 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: apillar

This “90%” meme needs to be shot down quickly. You can’t get 90% of all the people to agree on anything, and 90% was never the correct number of people who wanted Toomey/What’s-his-name’s amendment. Obastard just pulled that number out of his ass, and people mindlessly repeat it.


42 posted on 04/18/2013 6:04:40 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: apillar

Elections have consequences.

Especially those that failed to qualify, illegally certified and then won the election through fraud.

They become nothing, impotent.


43 posted on 04/18/2013 6:05:43 AM PDT by Spartan302
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To: Vaquero

tell that to MSLSD because all they’ve talked about this morning is gun control and how people are cowards and liars and the NRA are traitors etc.

They’ve not even covered the TX explosion and yet this is worse than Boston


44 posted on 04/18/2013 6:05:50 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: apillar
"Why did the no-brainer bill fail? Four Five reasons:
5. It was a No-Brainer--like the klunk who wrote this article.

45 posted on 04/18/2013 6:07:10 AM PDT by Savage Beast (The forces of decadence are the forces of evil.)
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To: apillar

Gun control, or what I like to call “unconstitutional infringement on the 2nd amendment” has never worked, will never work for the simple fact that it targets LAW ABIDING people and not crooks. In other words, it gets the law abiding public killed, the exact opposite of what the anti-constitutionalists intend (or do intend?) How many 2nd amendment unconstitutional infringements have been passed since 1980? Since Reagan was shot? Starting with the Brady bill? Countless. Yet what has it done? What has it accomplished? Nothing, except disarming LAW ABIDING people which has directly led to their death in countless examples from being unable to defend themselves. Now the anti-constitutionalists want yet again more infringement as if the 2nd amendment isn’t infringed enough. Why aren’t Republicans saying “enough is enough” We do not want anymore gas station attendants killed, women raped, robbery victims slaughtered, we want their right to self defense reinstated. But nooo, instead they crawl into fetal positions and hide every time the anti-constitutionalists want to infringe yet again on the 2nd amendment.


46 posted on 04/18/2013 6:07:28 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: yldstrk

I was like you and thought not discuss politics but then I thought why should I stop getting the truth out and shut up when they can still spout their lies to the low info voters.

Good luck, networks like MSLSD is doing all they can to the low info voters to get their talking points out


47 posted on 04/18/2013 6:07:30 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: apillar

Let’s home he receives the same outcome for the immigration bill that Rubio supports.


48 posted on 04/18/2013 6:08:33 AM PDT by Blue Turtle
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To: manc

“90 Percent support”? From who, Moooooooochelle and the kids?


49 posted on 04/18/2013 6:09:23 AM PDT by DaveA37 (I'm for HONEST government)
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To: manc

An attack on Boston is an attack on Neo Europa central. Two deaths on the streets of boston trump a hundred deaths in the wasteland of Texas.

The attack on the non americans in boston is a terrible tragedy. The death of real Americansin Texas stands for naught.


50 posted on 04/18/2013 6:10:21 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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