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Expanded gun background check [Toomey] amendment fails in the Senate
Yahoo ^ | 04/17/13

Posted on 04/17/2013 1:32:17 PM PDT by AtlasStalled

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To: Gator113; corlorde

As corlorde wrote, ‘technically yes’, but be aware that out behind the US Capitol building there’s an enormous junkyard full of rusty old Senate bills that died on the floor.


101 posted on 04/17/2013 2:21:34 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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To: AtlasStalled

Bury the damn liberal traitors!!!


102 posted on 04/17/2013 2:22:15 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: DBrow
Text of the amendments is separate. I find 113th Congress by day to be a convenient starting place. Some of the amendments were filed yesterday, others were filed Friday.
103 posted on 04/17/2013 2:22:37 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: AtlasStalled
What's the matter Chrissy?...Got to much bleach in your tidy whities? LMAO!
104 posted on 04/17/2013 2:25:01 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: AtlasStalled

Diane Fienstein’s AWB amendment is being voted on right now!


105 posted on 04/17/2013 2:25:11 PM PDT by Conservative_Rob
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To: TexasRedeye

Each cloture vote only covers one item. The reason all these amendments are being held to 60 votes for passage is to avoid going through cloture for each amendment. That same “option,” either 60 votes straight up, or go through cloture, attaches to final passage of EACH amendment, and final passage of whatever bill remains after amendment.


106 posted on 04/17/2013 2:25:58 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Hear, Hear......

God Save The Republic....


107 posted on 04/17/2013 2:26:23 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: redgolum
Still, what happens now?

In baseball terms, because Reid used that procedural trick of switching his vote to "no" the bill sits in the on-deck circle until an opportunity arises to bring it back to a floor vote.

That opportunity will come the next time there's a mass shooting. And there WILL be a next time.

Under such circumstances the bill can pretty much be brought back up for an immediate vote. There won't be ~4 months or so for public opinion to settle and to allow cooler heads to prevail. It'll be rammed through quickly (if this vote were taken right after Newtown the three Dems would have stayed with their party and there would have been several GOP crossovers), then dumped on the House.
108 posted on 04/17/2013 2:26:56 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: AtlasStalled

There have to be pictures of Toomey and Menendez wearing striped boxer shorts and socks with garters in the same room with naked 12 year old Dominican girls. What else could explain such a massive betrayal of Pennsylvania gun owners.


109 posted on 04/17/2013 2:27:32 PM PDT by Stentor ("the 3 stooges are in charge of monetary policy and sammy davis is president, WTF?" ZH)
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To: Hardraade
Cool. What will be Zero’s workaround?

Awaken another sleeper cell. Shoot up a pre-school.

110 posted on 04/17/2013 2:28:34 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: Cboldt

My question still remains. If NO amendments are agreed upon to change the original bill (which has already passed cloture) is only 51 votes then needed to pass an unamended bill?


111 posted on 04/17/2013 2:28:48 PM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew Obfuscation)
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To: The KG9 Kid

Thanks for the reminder.

Today day is a day that it is okay too slap me. Like many, I have been a nervous wreck over all of this.


112 posted on 04/17/2013 2:29:07 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: AtlasStalled

It is not much to celebrate when the votes were as close as they were.


113 posted on 04/17/2013 2:29:21 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: 11th_VA
On to Chick-Fil-A to celebrate !

There's an idea...I wish I had one nearby.

114 posted on 04/17/2013 2:29:30 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: tanknetter
"It'll be rammed through quickly (if this vote were taken right after Newtown the three Dems would have stayed with their party and there would have been several GOP crossovers), then dumped on the House."

Interesting isn't it? The senate was designed as a cool, detached deliberative body with six year terms to prevent rash, momentary waves of public sentiment from being adopted as law, and to temper the house which was somewhat expected to be responsive to inflamed passions.

In practice, it has come to work in reverse. I blame the 17th Amendment (among other things).

115 posted on 04/17/2013 2:31:53 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Rusty0604

Correct and that legislative manuever needs to be widely broadcast throughout Nevada.


116 posted on 04/17/2013 2:32:39 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: TexasRedeye
The answer to your question is no.

Each vote in the Senate can be subjected to cloture, and a vote on the bill, even if unamended, is a vote. Every vote. Vote on the amendment, cloture, Vote on the final bill, cloture.

117 posted on 04/17/2013 2:35:17 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: laplata
Yes, I had heard that but thank you for telling me anyway. I'm so glad that you folks up in LaPlata County are on top of this. With four recalls in the works, I hope and pray that we take down at least a couple sleazy Senators for now and clean out the rest next election.
118 posted on 04/17/2013 2:35:36 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: 1010RD

Your’e right; election time he will trot out his voting record and people won’t know the difference.


119 posted on 04/17/2013 2:37:14 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: TexasRedeye
-- the original bill (which has already passed cloture) --

Not exactly. What got past cloture was a motion to take the bill up for consideration. So, the bill is up for consideration, and being voted on. I don;t know of any suggestion to vote on final passage of the underlying bill, but when that suggestion comes up, it is an opportunity for objection, and another cloture vote.

120 posted on 04/17/2013 2:37:27 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

thanks for the clarfication. BTW - I see Feinstien is the only Senator to get 60 vogtes even if they were gainst her amendment!


121 posted on 04/17/2013 2:40:14 PM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew Obfuscation)
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To: Conservative_Rob

Assault Weapons Ban defeated 40-60


122 posted on 04/17/2013 2:40:37 PM PDT by Conservative_Rob
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To: CodeToad

It is not much to celebrate when the votes were as close as they were.


I agree. The fight goes on.


123 posted on 04/17/2013 2:42:09 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals will never get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: AtlasStalled

if true, thank God. now on to immigration. fight on patriots.


124 posted on 04/17/2013 2:45:46 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: AtlasStalled

Good news!


125 posted on 04/17/2013 2:46:32 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: Still Thinking
He can't. EO's do not have the force of law. To do that it would have to be an actual law.....

Oh, please . . . Rule of Law is soooo pre-obama. That isn't how this country roles anymore.

126 posted on 04/17/2013 2:47:14 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Conservative_Rob
"Assault Weapons Ban defeated 40-60"

That's encouraging, since it's a worse defeat than the rest of it.

The only way this could be better is if Feinstein, like a female Rumpelstiltskin, stamps her foot so hard that she creates a sinkhole and falls into it, never to be seen again.

127 posted on 04/17/2013 2:52:40 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Colorado Doug

OK, so let’s say The Won (can I presume sufficient familiarity to just call him “The”?) issues an EO requiring you to involve an FFL and get a background check for private transfers. Supposed you then make a private transfer and don’t comply. So then they arrest you. Your indictment has to list the law they say you broke...what, do they just type in “Dissing the Lord High Obama” where the indictment wants to know what law you broke?


128 posted on 04/17/2013 2:53:01 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: AtlasStalled

Sorry Obummer and company, nice try, I am sure we haven’t seen the last of this nonsense.

But until then I will be at the Gun Sale at the Church!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe01Bvvzt6U

LMAO!!!!!!!!!


129 posted on 04/17/2013 3:03:58 PM PDT by signor_ugarte
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To: Still Thinking
OK, so let’s say The Won (can I presume sufficient familiarity to just call him “The”?) issues an EO requiring you to involve an FFL and get a background check for private transfers. Supposed you then make a private transfer and don’t comply. So then they arrest you. Your indictment has to list the law they say you broke...what, do they just type in “Dissing the Lord High Obama” where the indictment wants to know what law you broke?

They can always find some law that you broke. After the SSWAT team comes in, they can look for others. Remember that you are already the worst form of terrorist in their eyes by being a conservative. I'm pretty sure that “Dissing the Lord High Obama” will soon be one of the worst crimes that one can commit.

130 posted on 04/17/2013 3:04:07 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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Stand by for Impeachment

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131 posted on 04/17/2013 3:19:44 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: AtlasStalled

Looks like you were on the wrong side there Toomey. Nice to see him choking on that Obama dinner


132 posted on 04/17/2013 3:22:24 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: AtlasStalled

GOOD!!!,

The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

IMO, there should be no background checks.

The criminals will get the guns illegally anyway. It won’t stop gun violence nor will it keep guns out of the hands pf those who plan violence against others.


133 posted on 04/17/2013 3:27:42 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: sean327
Rat bastard McCain voted for it.

FU McNuts! Please dry up and go away!

134 posted on 04/17/2013 3:58:15 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: onyx

Excellent!


135 posted on 04/17/2013 4:06:37 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Iron Munro

“This struggle is not over until these scumbags and their pansy president are voted out of office.”

That may be true, but their peckers can be cut off so they can no longer screw us.


136 posted on 04/17/2013 4:12:02 PM PDT by sergeantdave (No, I don't have links for everything I post)
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To: RedMDer

:)


137 posted on 04/17/2013 4:14:28 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: AtlasStalled
We won the battle.

The War Continues!


138 posted on 04/17/2013 4:31:16 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: lonevoice

Excellent!!!!


139 posted on 04/17/2013 4:35:21 PM PDT by Pride in the USA
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To: AtlasStalled

Arlen Specter wxt dream was pushing gun registration on the masses just as is his now owned protege’s, Pat Toomey.

He has always been connected with the so called Harvard NYC elites and corporate welfare sap suckers who want nothing more than to push gun control on the backs of average Americans. Their single goal is to whittle away at the 2nd Amendment and turn Americans into serfs.


140 posted on 04/17/2013 4:40:25 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Banksters are coming for your retirement, pensions & property. But first they want your firearms)
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To: hattend

Awaken another sleeper cell. Shoot up a pre-school.


Never allow a good tragedy to go to waste....Rahm Emanuel.

Boxer, Feinstein, Bloomberg, Lautenberg, Soros etc......All are relatively recent only 1-2 generations ago immigrants with Russian, eastern European heritage that are now attempting to use their vast wealth and power to change two+ centuries of USA gun culture. Many Americans who oppose this have 200-400 years of family USA heritage. Google them and others.


141 posted on 04/17/2013 4:51:19 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Banksters are coming for your retirement, pensions & property. But first they want your firearms)
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To: AtlasStalled
"I love the smell of burning liberal agenda in the morning!"...
142 posted on 04/17/2013 6:06:55 PM PDT by Route395
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To: AtlasStalled

So, who are the 46 Nazis and when will the Hangings begin?

If they hold up for a day or two, I should be able to catch a Flight to D.C. to Witness the executions.


143 posted on 04/17/2013 6:10:46 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Compliance with Tyranny is Treason...)
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To: metmom

The only way to stop Gun Violence is using another Gun.


144 posted on 04/17/2013 6:14:16 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Compliance with Tyranny is Treason...)
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To: Kickass Conservative

What some people fail to realize is that there was less gun violence when everyone had the family rifle loaded and hanging over the door to use at any moment.

There are fewer repeat offenders when you defend yourself against someone trying to use a gun in violence against you.


145 posted on 04/17/2013 6:22:26 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

When I was a kid, you could order a Rifle from an Ad in the back of a Magazine. At eight years old, I owned a .22 Rifle and a .410 Shotgun. They were given to me by my Father, and I kept them in my Closet.

Back in the 50’s hen we lived in Long Island, New York, my Brother used to carry his .22 Rifle to Middle School when he was in the Gun Club. They had a Range in the Basement.

When Guns were looked upon as a tool, they weren’t feared unless they were in a Criminal’s hands. Nowadays, Libtards think Guns are Living Objects with a mind of their own.

Funny how I have owned many guns over the past 50+ Years, yet I have managed to Kill one less Person than Ted Kennedy did using his Oldsmobile.


146 posted on 04/17/2013 6:33:38 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Compliance with Tyranny is Treason...)
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To: AtlasStalled

God Bless the USA.....Toomey can GTH.


147 posted on 04/17/2013 6:52:18 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Kickass Conservative

You can’t reason with a liberal.


148 posted on 04/17/2013 6:57:50 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: AtlasStalled
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149 posted on 04/17/2013 7:24:03 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: TurboZamboni

In what universe did Pat Toomey think that this was going to end well for himself? If it passed he wasn’t going to gain any votes from the gun grabbing crowd, who hate Republicans for a multitude of reasons. And he’d be forever portrayed as a traitor by the conservative Pennsylvanians who elected him. Now that his bill has been defeated, he just looks like a useful idiot for the Democrats. His 15 minutes of fame and dinner with Obama will never be worth the damage to his credibility.


150 posted on 04/18/2013 6:12:39 AM PDT by littleharbour ("All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree. ~ James Madison)
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