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Bomb fragment pictured in FBI report
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Posted on 04/16/2013 7:00:23 PM PDT by Java4Jay

An intelligence bulletin issued to law enforcement includes a picture of a mangled pressure cooker and a torn black bag that the FBI says were part of a bomb that exploded during the Boston Marathon.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: boston; bostonmarathon; fbi; ied; marathon; pressurecookerbomb
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Odd looking course thread bolt and nut for a pressure cooker
1 posted on 04/16/2013 7:00:23 PM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: Java4Jay

Same thing struck me. FWIW, there are several other shots circulating, one with what appears to be a UL certification number.


2 posted on 04/16/2013 7:09:34 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Java4Jay
You read the comments? Like they can "trace" a pressure cooker! These idiots are delusional, they really want to live in a fish bowl with Big Sibling watching over their every move.

What next, serial numbered underwear, toilet paper, hell Bloom-booger wants to ration or license big gulps.

3 posted on 04/16/2013 7:09:34 PM PDT by nomad
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To: Java4Jay

Probably capped off the vent with those.


4 posted on 04/16/2013 7:10:25 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression and Democrats use them. Gun confiscation enables tyranny.)
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To: Java4Jay

Why would you say it’s odd?

Looks like common hardware store stuff.

Probably used to replace the pressure relief?


5 posted on 04/16/2013 7:14:02 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nascarnation

yup- it sealed the jiggle vent.


6 posted on 04/16/2013 7:16:12 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.)
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To: Java4Jay

That’s nowhere thick enough to be a pressure cooker. It’s a soup pot. Cheap one.


7 posted on 04/16/2013 7:17:25 PM PDT by txhurl (Breitbart lives.)
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To: bunkerhill7

I assume they can identify the brand.

Then you spool up a list of all credit card purchases of these lately, who knows?

Maybe that same transaction had roofing nails and bbs on it?

Sometimes these muzzies aren’t too bright....


8 posted on 04/16/2013 7:19:44 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: txhurl

was contained in a pressure cooker with nails and ball bearings, and it was hidden in a backpack.


Anyone see any scratches from nails or ball bearings exiting said ‘pressure cooker’?


9 posted on 04/16/2013 7:20:59 PM PDT by txhurl (Breitbart lives.)
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To: nascarnation

Already identified by Arfcom.

A Fagor.


10 posted on 04/16/2013 7:21:48 PM PDT by Sylvester McMonkey McBean
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To: txhurl
Steel is tougher than aluminum.

The thing going on here is that the bomber does not expect to use the pressure cooker again. All he needs is a container that will stay intact for a couple of seconds while the black powder combusts far more fully than it would under other conditions.

When the pressue cooker lid fails to seal against the power of the expanding gases inside, it lets loose explosively and the gas rushes out pulling with it the debris used as shrapnel.

11 posted on 04/16/2013 7:28:37 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: txhurl
That’s nowhere thick enough to be a pressure cooker. It’s a soup pot. Cheap one.

Agree. Way too light for a pressure cooker. There isn't even a place for the seal. It's just a wrecked pot.

12 posted on 04/16/2013 7:33:52 PM PDT by madison10
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To: nomad
>> Like they can “trace” a pressure cooker!<<

Sure they can track by tracing the numbers to the supplier and where is was distributed. Then they will find who bought from distributed stores. Who buys two PC’s on the same day, perhaps? Did they use a debit/credit card? CCTV in store of purchaser.

13 posted on 04/16/2013 7:35:07 PM PDT by Bronzy
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To: Java4Jay

I have and still use my mom’s pressure cookers - one a pot and the other a skillet - which she used when I was a child in the 1940’s. None of the pics I have seen even resemble either of those. In the first place, they are very, very heavy and thick and the lid and edge of the pot and skillet both have grooves which fit very securely together.

Although the new ones may not be as well made, they still have to be of sturdy construction to withstand the immense amount of pressure that builds up inside.

They may call these pressure cookers but they have to be something else more closely resembling a normal cooking pot.


14 posted on 04/16/2013 7:37:51 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Sylvester McMonkey McBean

HMMMM Fagor’s the darling of the left. Not that I’d draw any conclusion from that, mind you. I’m not an MSM reporter.


15 posted on 04/16/2013 7:39:36 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: nomad

I’ll not be registering my pressure cookers


16 posted on 04/16/2013 7:42:42 PM PDT by Figment
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To: nascarnation

Penelope could find it.

17 posted on 04/16/2013 7:43:12 PM PDT by rabidralph (http://www.cafepress.com/westernwis)
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To: madison10

Not it’s not...my mom had one that looked like that.


18 posted on 04/16/2013 7:43:42 PM PDT by caww
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To: txhurl

I take it back, it’s a pressure cooker more like a saucepan. I have one like that I just now looked at it. (’fraid to use the thing) Has a long handle on one side, short handle on the other. It has a rocker/pressure release, not a round numbered gauge. The pot itself is heavy, the lid not so much.


19 posted on 04/16/2013 7:44:43 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Grams A

Gram....we sell them at the store I work at..ad they aren’t heavy like the old ones...and in fact look like an ordinary pot except for the handles and lid.


20 posted on 04/16/2013 7:45:07 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Too bad. The old ones are capable of fracturing the skull of an intruder and never being any worse for the wear. Guess they don’t make anything like they used to.


21 posted on 04/16/2013 7:48:59 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: madison10

Google Presto 6 qt pressure cooker. Used in cooking beans, etc.

I use an “All American” due to the lack of needed O Ring and additional safety bolts.


22 posted on 04/16/2013 7:49:23 PM PDT by NoNAIS (Yet another Government program not needed.)
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To: Java4Jay

Too mangled to make a guess at make, could be a Presto or any other pressure cooker. It’s definitely a pressure cooker lid though. Wouldn’t take much to block the pressure relief stem on top (cheap brass fitting would do it easily)


23 posted on 04/16/2013 7:52:41 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Sylvester McMonkey McBean
I hadn't seen Arcom's id of it as a Fagor. If that is so, the bomber made, in at least one way, a lib approved choice. Searching Fagor's pressure cookers on Amazon I found this blurb from Fagor:

Fagor is Green:

Fagor's mission is to use resources efficiently to preserve the environment and save energy, developing highly efficient products that consume less and save money; contributing to a healthy planet for us and our future generations. From a social perspective, Fagor's environmental policy strategy offers advantages to both workers and consumers. It provides workers with environmentally-appropriate working conditions, which, among other benefits, minimizes and eliminates the handling of hazardous materials, while for consumers, the end-users of Fagor's products and services, it allows for efficient use of the appliances, which reduces energy and water consumption.

Fagor has manufacturing systems established to minimize environmental impact on soil, water, energy, and air during the production process. There is also proper waste management and recycling procedures in place after the manufacturing process is completed.

In addition to numerous European product certifications and environmental stewardship awards, Fagor is also notably a participant in the Energy Star program in the USA, a joint program of the Environmental Protection Agency and the Department Of Energy. Products that bear the energy star label allow consumers to recognize such products that have been manufactured to save money and protect the environment through energy efficient products and practices.


24 posted on 04/16/2013 7:56:53 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: Figment

http://www.paulstravelpictures.com/Fagor-Splendid-Pressure-Cooker-Review/Fagor-Splendid-Pressure-Cooker-Review-009.JPG

Bottom of a Fagor pressure cooker. Looks pretty much like the pics of the cookers used as bombs.


25 posted on 04/16/2013 8:00:04 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Grams A
No they don't make things like they use to...not even close.

On another note...these pressure cookers I've seen at rummage sales....many are afraid to use them...so there's no telling where tethese creeps picked them up...for that matter they could have mailed them to the person from overseas.

26 posted on 04/16/2013 8:00:11 PM PDT by caww
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To: Java4Jay

“It was not known what was used to set off the two explosives that killed three people Monday and injured more than 170 others.”

BS That is what would give us a clue as to the terrorist’s origin so naturally that info is classified.


27 posted on 04/16/2013 8:41:49 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( There's Two Choices. Stand Up and Be Counted ... Or Line Up and Be Numbered.)
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To: ltc8k6

Still from Fox bomb photo with Gas Electric Inox clearly visible.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-broadcasts-crime-scene-photos-of-exploded-pressure-cooker-bomb-from-boston-marathon/


28 posted on 04/16/2013 9:07:53 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Java4Jay

Wait a second whilst I untwist my tin foil hat!

Now, I think that a pressure vessel - like a pressure cooker pot - could be the “modern equivalent of the Roman cannonade”. -—Put a bunch of nails, etc. into a directed pot, and BOOM all the deadly junk inside, is directed toward its target.

So, in my weird world, I see an open pressure cooker, vertical, within a nylon backpack, all the lethal junk inside, placed on the ground directly in front of a stable backdrop structure, detonated, to direct the force within a spray pattern toward the street!

Hit the normal runners, less hit to rear standing bystanders!


29 posted on 04/16/2013 10:12:00 PM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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30 posted on 04/16/2013 10:19:51 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: null and void; Java4Jay

The pressure cooker is a Fagor Elite, 6 liter. I own the 9.5 liter (10 quart) model. Identical bottom markings and the lid is the same.

The 6 liter Elite is marketed in the US as a “6 quart” whose capacity is actually 6.3 quarts = 6 liters.

They removed the pressure indicator valve and replaced it with a bolt to seal the cooker up tighter.


31 posted on 04/16/2013 10:29:39 PM PDT by gandalftb
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To: smokingfrog

There is a picture of a piece of the pressure cooker.

Picture 3/6
The words “GAS ELECTRIC” on the outside circle
The words “NOX” on the inside circle

Picture 4/6
We can see the UL Listed mark.
We can see the pressure rating in part
“0.55/1.05 bar”
“?S 1.6 bar”

Picture 1/6
Being held by a hand.
The piece is approximately 4-5 hand widths (side facing about 3”) in diameter. So that makes it say 12-15” diameter pressure cooker.

With the actual parts in hand, they should have placed the specific make and model of the pressure cooker by now.

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/21996004/exclusive-photos-boston-marathon-bomb


32 posted on 04/16/2013 10:30:19 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: gandalftb

Looks close. I don’t have an actual model to compare.

In picture 1.
by hand: We can see where the side handle tore off. There appear to be two screw mounts. Definitely one on the lower side, cause the screw is still there. The top side has a strip of metal on the inside, but perhaps not screw.

Going down left in from that, we see a manufactured indent that matches the shape in the Elite Pressure Cooker Manual. There are two penetrations. One is just a hole, it is new the center of the oval indent. The other hole contains a screw and nut. This actually appears backwards from the elite picture.

A bit further down, there is a circular deep indent with large center hole. This feature does not sow on the Elite Pressure Cooker manual. What is this one for?


33 posted on 04/16/2013 10:44:57 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Sorry, second dimple is just an impact dimple.


34 posted on 04/16/2013 10:49:11 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

“0.55/1.05 bar”
“?S 1.6 bar”

Converting 8.0/15.22 psig
23.2 psig.

Fagor lists the pressure ratings as 8 psi for low pressure and 15 psig for high pressure. So the pressure ratings appear to match.


35 posted on 04/16/2013 10:53:22 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: gandalftb

Manual: http://www.fagoramerica.com/content/download/9881/65850/file/Elite%20Pressure%20Cooker%20Manual.pdf


36 posted on 04/16/2013 10:53:53 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Bronzy
Sure they can track by tracing the numbers to the supplier and where is was distributed. Then they will find who bought from distributed stores. Who buys two PC’s on the same day, perhaps? Did they use a debit/credit card? CCTV in store of purchaser.

That might work if the store only sold one cooker. Otherwise, they'd have to record the serial number of each cooker sold and link it back to sale date/time. And the video would need not be not yet erased.

37 posted on 04/16/2013 10:57:20 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Pikachu_Dad

On another web site, they switched to this one.
Compare the two pictures.

Edit: It was likely the Fogor Splindid 6 qt. model. This picture of the bottom has all the same markings and are in the same position relative to each other as they are in the news photos.
http://l3.zassets.com/images/z/1/7/8/5/5/3/1785530-2-4x.jpg

Matching that picture to Picture 4/6
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/21996004/exclusive-photos-boston-marathon-bomb

We can see the 6L CE
(So it is a 6 Liter pot)
The UL Listed is correctly placed under the 6L
The words Pressure cooker may be under the UL Listing.

However, the pressure rating is 0.55/1.05 bar versus 1.05 bar.
(So the new model only has one pressure rating versus the 2 for the bomb!)
The PS 1.6 bar underneath matches.

The quality of build looks a lot flimsier in the bomb than in the model. I can’t see the spiral grooves of the metal.

Going to 3/6
The circle text.
GAS ELECTRIC is in the right spot, but it does not have the hyphen of this Fagor model.
The INOX is on the inside line starting between the EC, which is the correct spot.
Below that, there is the manufacturer name on the Model. It is difficult to read on the bomb. It appears to be FAG...
Below that on the outer cricle, we can see the stamp for FIRE; and the backside of the stamp for ELECTRIC, just like on the Fagor.

But I have to stay with your model. This is a two pressure model and the one he is picking has only one pressure.


38 posted on 04/16/2013 11:15:17 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Looking at picture 1/6, it is not the FUGOR model. The order of the Nut hole vent hole are backwards.

The NUT is closer to the handle in the bomb. The vent hole is near the center.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2712/4324376728_83caae823b.jpg
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/21996004/exclusive-photos-boston-marathon-bomb

Further, the bottom of the FUGOR model does not match. The INOX is in the wrong spot.

Not a FUGOR.

http://l3.zassets.com/images/z/1/4/0/9/3/4/1409348-2-4x.jpg


39 posted on 04/16/2013 11:18:18 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Oh dang Google. Every bleeding search now comes up with a frigging Fagor pressure cooker add ! Talk about messing up the search !


40 posted on 04/16/2013 11:25:28 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Because of the dual settings, more probably a DUO than an ELITE.

” Fagor Duo vs. Elite
home title Posted by Pressure Cooker Queen home title

If you are scratching your head and trying to figure out which model is the best for you between Fagor Duo vs. Elite, you are not alone. This post is to compare the two lines to give you some insight.

While they are similar in so many ways, there are some material differences worth highlighting.
Differences
Product Bundle Options

Both Duo and Elite are sold in a single unit as well as in a set. The Duo line also offers a second set for canning purpose only. The set includes canning accessories such as bottle freer, funnel, etc. See the entire list in the Comparison Table below.
Pressure Level

The Duo pressure cooker line is an upgrade from the Elite in terms of pressure settings which has 8 and 15 psi (pounds per square inch) for cooking delicate and tougher textured foods. The Elite only has 15 psi that doesn’t offer the option to automatically set for cooking seafood and vegetables. You’ll have to shorten the cooking time to make it work.”

http://deliciousunderpressure.com/fagor-duo-vs-elite/


41 posted on 04/16/2013 11:32:17 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Because of the dual settings, more probably a DUO than an ELITE.

” Fagor Duo vs. Elite
home title Posted by Pressure Cooker Queen home title

If you are scratching your head and trying to figure out which model is the best for you between Fagor Duo vs. Elite, you are not alone. This post is to compare the two lines to give you some insight.

While they are similar in so many ways, there are some material differences worth highlighting.
Differences
Product Bundle Options

Both Duo and Elite are sold in a single unit as well as in a set. The Duo line also offers a second set for canning purpose only. The set includes canning accessories such as bottle freer, funnel, etc. See the entire list in the Comparison Table below.
Pressure Level

The Duo pressure cooker line is an upgrade from the Elite in terms of pressure settings which has 8 and 15 psi (pounds per square inch) for cooking delicate and tougher textured foods. The Elite only has 15 psi that doesn’t offer the option to automatically set for cooking seafood and vegetables. You’ll have to shorten the cooking time to make it work.”

http://deliciousunderpressure.com/fagor-duo-vs-elite/


42 posted on 04/16/2013 11:32:51 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Because of the dual settings, more probably a DUO than an ELITE.

” Fagor Duo vs. Elite
home title Posted by Pressure Cooker Queen home title

If you are scratching your head and trying to figure out which model is the best for you between Fagor Duo vs. Elite, you are not alone. This post is to compare the two lines to give you some insight.

While they are similar in so many ways, there are some material differences worth highlighting.
Differences
Product Bundle Options

Both Duo and Elite are sold in a single unit as well as in a set. The Duo line also offers a second set for canning purpose only. The set includes canning accessories such as bottle freer, funnel, etc. See the entire list in the Comparison Table below.
Pressure Level

The Duo pressure cooker line is an upgrade from the Elite in terms of pressure settings which has 8 and 15 psi (pounds per square inch) for cooking delicate and tougher textured foods. The Elite only has 15 psi that doesn’t offer the option to automatically set for cooking seafood and vegetables. You’ll have to shorten the cooking time to make it work.”

http://deliciousunderpressure.com/fagor-duo-vs-elite/


43 posted on 04/16/2013 11:33:35 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: muawiyah; Squantos

Why not an old fashioned pipe bomb

6-8 inch threaded steel
Packed with either style gunpowder
Screw caps

Coated with projectile crap

Presto cooker seems like far less explosive compression than capped pipe....even worse than glued pvc

Lol...I know just who to ask?


44 posted on 04/16/2013 11:43:46 PM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: wardaddy

Happily most IED builders die in their attempts to self educate. made my job a lot easier in EOD. That said do not try this shit at home people.

http://www.5nr.org/downloads/notice/PotentialTerrorist.pdf

Different vessels are either stamped w cheap methods or cast. I own a pressure cooker handed down for a few generations that may have been cast then turned on a lathe that is stainless steel.

As a pipe has threads any loose powder in said threads usually / hopefully kill the angry untrained builder versus a skilled IED engineer that knows not to let his bulk propellant be poured .

Acetone peroxide, pour boy anfo , black powder, smokeless, Et cetera.... Even bulk firecrackers when contained and allowed a containment vessel such as pipe or pressure cooker increase an IED’s lethality as the explosives basc brisance can be amplified, directed in same manner any military ordnance can with the addition of fragments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brisance

All carefully considered, along with speed of construction from easily available components etc etc ... A monster pressure cooker such as this one...

http://www.samsclub.com/sams/all-american-pressure-canner-cooker/prod1640768.ip?pid=_CSE_Google_PLA_Kitchen-Electrics&mobileredirect=false

... can be a bitch of a killer when properly constructed as an IED . My small backpacking presto pressure cooker stamped in china from a old Chevy bumper scraped.... Not so much as a pipe bomb IMO and experience.

Detonation velocities be based on TNT being a 1. C4 being a 1.34. military Dynamites being around .80 on the scale and ANFO being .60 as a general rule. Exotics such a PBX explosives generally unavailable kick to the top of said scale with their use primarily in special weapons and specialized shape charges.

I saw the colors of the race IED and was reminded of the color of tannerite used by special effects weenies on TV shows such as sons of guns. Same colors as the race bomb IMO . Tannerite and other exploding targets are subject , when mixed properly and in a timely manner, need a blasting cap or high impact from rifle fire to properly detonate. A pressure cooker bomber usually doesn’t have a proper blasting components such as dets, blasting caps, electric bridge wires etc ... So improvised we must go. Be it chemical or mechanical.

Any number of possibilities is out there.

A skilled individual can walk down three aisles or less at a big box store and mix enough commercial components as they shop to injure or kill if they desire to do such.

Stay Safe ..... Or try.


45 posted on 04/17/2013 1:45:08 AM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: muawiyah
When the pressue cooker lid fails to seal against the power of the expanding gases inside, it lets loose explosively and the gas rushes out pulling with it the debris used as shrapnel.

For an excellent example, watch Bill Clinton's face and finger as you ask him why he let Bin Laden go 6 times.

46 posted on 04/17/2013 4:55:28 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Squantos

You could sure be in high demand if wtshtf

Ever happens

I confess I didn’t even know what tannerite was

I had a Guard buddy after his Nam stint lifted a few bricks of plastic and we watched him detonate it outside Jackson country club

Man cops swarmed in on us instantly after detonation....we were 100 yards away and the blast sucked out air and blew us back good....toppled a huge white oak

Other than hwy and tunnel in ground blasts

I have never seen explosive packs like that


47 posted on 04/17/2013 9:07:08 AM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: Bronzy

Anyone with half a brain would buy it from WallyWorld with cash and wait a few weeks for the loop tapes or hard drives to erase over, then what?


48 posted on 04/17/2013 9:14:32 AM PDT by nomad
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To: Figment

From my cold, sealed, Mason jars will they get my pressure cooker!


49 posted on 04/17/2013 9:22:28 AM PDT by nomad
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To: Pikachu_Dad

That website comparison is wrong.

I own a Fagor Elite with the identical bottom stamp as the pressure cooker found at the scene.

It has two pressure settings, 8 and 15 psi.

It was made in Spain and is labeled so.

The Duo has a different bottom label that includes the 18/10 stainless.


50 posted on 04/17/2013 9:38:44 AM PDT by gandalftb
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