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NY Psychiatrists Served With Subpoenas For Patient Records In NY Gun Confiscation
http://www.ammoland.com ^ | april 15, 2013 | dan roberts

Posted on 04/15/2013 9:38:27 AM PDT by lowbridge

NY Governor Andrew Cuomo’s Machiavellian Plot to ignore and subvert the Rights of potentially millions of NY State residents developed another layer late Sunday.

After breaking the story of Amhurst NY Area Resident David Lewis having his lawfully purchase and legally owned firearms confiscated by order of the State Police after a flagrantly illegal and Un-Constitutional review of his medical records , Word came to me in my capacity as in journalist late Sunday that NY Officials have apparently doubled down on their sinister plot and blatant abuse of power.

My sources revealed that two prominent and well regarded Buffalo Area Psychiatrists received subpoenas from State Officials, possibly on Friday April 12th 2013, commanding them to turn over all of their patient files to the State. Details are sketchy at this early stage, but I have been told that both Doctors have in house counsel as well as potentially consulting with the Law Firm of Jim Tresmond, Firearms Law Specialist and the Attorney of Record for Mr Lewis.

What is clear is that those subpoenas would have to have been issued by someone in the State’s Attorney’s Office. What remains unknown at this point is whether the order or request for the subpoenas originated with the Superintendent of the NY State Police, Joseph D’Amico or from the Office of the the Commissioner of the NY State Division of Criminal Justice Services or one of his lieutenants.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; guns; newyork; psychiatrists; secondamendment; sourcetitlenoturl

1 posted on 04/15/2013 9:38:27 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

Chilling me to the bone on a daily basis. NY State is a test case. As soon as they see how far they can push there, the Feds will use their power to unilaterally do the same thing nationally.


2 posted on 04/15/2013 9:40:28 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: lowbridge

New York HAS sent out subpoenas to Health Care professionals for records to indicate if any citizens need their guns confiscated.

For all of those who just love to pick on NY (upstate does not suck as much as downstate) WARNING, this is the test of how far government can go without any response from those who actually believe in the brilliance of the founders.

NYers need your support otherwise this “rights” cancer will spread to all the other “rights” and to every state in the nation.

They are testing us.

These are the EXACT same people who are quite happy to kill a baby using the cover of “privacy” (not an actual right to abortion) yet VIOLATE privacy in subpoenaing health care records to violate the 2nd Amendment.

NY State was caught last week violating the rights and privacy of an upstate gun holder by confiscating his guns and permit even though they now admit it was a “mistake” yet in the very next breath they subpoena more records to do exactly the same thing.

The NY State police are now quite divided as there are some who are NOT brown shirts yet are being ordered by the Cuomo mafia to do its bidding.

NY has also been working with DHS to test how the 4th amendment and HIPA laws can be circumvented.

You have been warned.


3 posted on 04/15/2013 9:41:06 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: lowbridge

NY Official: ‘clerical error’ he he he


4 posted on 04/15/2013 9:42:36 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Wurlitzer

Have them start confiscation on the upper west side, then SOHO and Tribeca. That should end this Stalinist movement


5 posted on 04/15/2013 9:44:39 AM PDT by shadeaud (We need to learn to know what our enemies are truly creating)
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To: lowbridge

Nothing can be done with this communists State except this should be the location for the CW starting point.


6 posted on 04/15/2013 9:45:38 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: lowbridge

Great strategy. Unconstitutional? Illegal? Violation of Doctor/Patient confidentiality? Sure. “See you in court.” In the interim, all those seized (grandfathered) guns will never be returned, and they can’t be replaced. All you will ever get from the state is an “Gee. We’re sorry.”


7 posted on 04/15/2013 9:46:56 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: lowbridge
Someone is going to start shooting. When that happens, the situation on the ground will deteriorate quickly.

5.56mm

8 posted on 04/15/2013 9:49:50 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: lowbridge

Can you imagine what kind of hit to their business the psychiatrists and others in the “analyst” field are going to take in New York?? Whew... They cannot possible be happy about this. There must be appointment cancellations burning up the phone lines, at least for those who are not on the government dole.


9 posted on 04/15/2013 9:51:00 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

A lot of holes in back yards, too
and in laws or old friends who just had their inventory increased...but not on paper


10 posted on 04/15/2013 9:55:05 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Telling the truth about RINOS, PAULTARDS, Liberals and Muslims has become hate speech)
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To: lowbridge

The government is already totalitarian. You just think you have freedom.


11 posted on 04/15/2013 9:56:37 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: PowderMonkey
They need to be sued for 1-Billion, because that's not as much as 100-million.

Make them pay for this blatant frivolous harassment. Next they will start
confiscating/banning books, primarily those evil trouble making Bibles. They'll
start with the Gideon's in hotels.

12 posted on 04/15/2013 9:57:32 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: lowbridge

Try to imagine the screeching that would result from a similar subpoena to abortion clinics for their records.


13 posted on 04/15/2013 10:00:43 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Wurlitzer

Even the non brown shirts will eventually side with their jobs. we the people are on our own.


14 posted on 04/15/2013 10:01:12 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: lowbridge
It's not too late -


15 posted on 04/15/2013 10:04:50 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: lowbridge

Some here are saying this is a test case so they can see how far they can go. OK. But it gets in the face of those who care about (individually or in conjunction): gun rights, privacy rights, mental health care rights, health care rights, due process, property rights, and I could probably go on but I won’t. The thing is, it will aggravate a lot of people, not just those interested in gun rights.

This seems dumb. It looks like a losing proposition, something that will possibly unify people with otherwise apparently disparate interests.


16 posted on 04/15/2013 10:06:13 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: lowbridge

This is a very large socialist plot to enslave the population.
A shrink just told about the government’s plan to offer medical people a $1500 per veteran bounty to list individual vets as having mental problems for the purposes of confiscating their guns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is62bfJzRls&feature=player_embedded


17 posted on 04/15/2013 10:08:26 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Gun Control is the Key to totalitarianism and genocide.)
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To: lowbridge
If psychiatrists want clear signs of mental illness, just look at the eyes-


18 posted on 04/15/2013 10:10:23 AM PDT by mikrofon (It AIN'T the Guns...)
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To: I want the USA back

You and I have never live under true totalitarianism. Yes, we are headed there. No, we are not there yet. We still have the option of fighting back. If we fail to make the best use of it, shame on us. But there is still time, if we do not squander it.


19 posted on 04/15/2013 10:10:26 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: wiggen

“Even the non brown shirts will eventually side with their jobs. we the people are on our own.”


You are spot on with that assessment. Most NY State Police officers would feel right at home with the Stasi.

Quite interesting that “V For Vendetta” was on TV last night.

Obama and Cuomo are contending for the title of “Chancellor”.


20 posted on 04/15/2013 10:11:07 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: Wurlitzer
This is an incredible, multi-aspect, assault on the most basic concepts of a free society of responsible individuals.

They dare this now, because so much of the mass media is now slavishly in tow to a compulsion driven drive for a monolithic & totalitarian form of collectivism. Our focus must be on how to circumvent a doctrinaire media that any Lenin, Trotsky or Hitler would drool over.

Yes the Bolsheviks & Nazis had controlled media! But their controlled media were suspect for that reason. Our self-driven, contemporary media orthodoxy is yet more dangerous. Much of the public is still haplessly unaware of the extent of the corruption.

William Flax

21 posted on 04/15/2013 10:11:41 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: lowbridge

And with Obamacare they won’t even need a subpoena.

No to the gun grabbers.

NO to Obamacare - the ultimate means of control.


22 posted on 04/15/2013 10:13:50 AM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: lowbridge
WBEN Talk Radio Show host Tom Baurele told listeners that multiple independent sources within NY State Government related to him that a secret seven member HIPAA committee had been created within the Div Of Criminal Justice Services after passage of the NY SAFE Act to work in conjunction with the NY State Police at the behest of the Dept of Homeland Security; for the express purpose of illegally obtaining and accessing the private medical records of potentially millions of NY State Residents. Then comparing those records with the records of known firearms owners and pistol permit holders in order to facilitate the confiscation of firearms under the extraordinarily broad language in the law regarding those that have been deemed "mentally unstable".

How will the NY leftwing elite take this? Will they be immune?

Popular among many leftwing ruling class and MSM folks, long-time radio talk-show personality Don Imus, whose shtick is to ridicule and name call, says the mouth-breathing, conservative dopes should accept background checks.

Frankly I don't see how the volatile Imus could pass such a review given his past decades of illegal drug use and drunkenness; he's bragged about the guns he owns and the ones he carries in his limo. He must feeeeeeeeeel confident that he will be immune.

Many on the left likely feeeeeeeeel the same way. Looks like we'll see. They probably will be immune. It's what liberals/progressives do and get away with.

23 posted on 04/15/2013 10:29:48 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: lowbridge

Remember the media s*&^ storm when Daniel Ellsberg’s (Pentagon Papers) psychiatrist’s office was broken into? Funny how now the MSM doesn’t give a rat’s ass.


24 posted on 04/15/2013 10:31:05 AM PDT by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: lowbridge

We (and they) tend to look at this from the viewpoint of a gun owner that has been to a shrink.

However, one can make a STRONG ARGUMENT in the opposite direction too. For example, what about someone who owns guns and is considering treatment? I would expect MANY of them to try to stay away from treatment. Same for someone who may be a gun rights supporter. Or, perhaps worse, someone who has a borderline-psycho kid in the house and keeps his guns safely locked up...I can ASSURE you that the kid will not be getting treatment.

We call all this “unintended consequences”.


25 posted on 04/15/2013 10:54:08 AM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: Wurlitzer

I watched. When that movie came out it was difficult to find a kind word for the lead on this site. My how popular opinion has turned.


26 posted on 04/15/2013 10:55:36 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Lancey Howard
Can you imagine what kind of hit to their business the psychiatrists and others in the “analyst” field are going to take in New York?? Whew... They cannot possible be happy about this.

Possibly. But it's whacko psychiatrists that got homosexuality removed from the list of mental diseases/abnormal behavior. I'm sure there are more than a few of these progressive nut-cases that are more than willing to add a new mental disease to the list: the desire to own guns.

27 posted on 04/15/2013 11:06:21 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: M Kehoe

My view is that New Yorkers have already defined themselves as sheeple simply by their address - the Left’s hometown. They will never do anything as absolutely personal as defend their right of self-defense.


28 posted on 04/15/2013 11:14:40 AM PDT by Pecos (If more sane people carried guns, fewer crazies would get off a second shot.)
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To: KrisKrinkle

but only if “the people ever hear about it, might they be alarmed...i am shock about this and the increasing lock down and usurping our rights and freedoms right before my eyes in my life time! i don;\’t know what to do next...i (we) can’t just sit here and let this things continue...


29 posted on 04/15/2013 11:31:00 AM PDT by ldish (Give me Freedom and Liberty or let's kick some a**!)
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To: lowbridge
Welcome to the USSA, comrades!

This is what liberals think is covered under the 2nd Amd.....IF you pass their background test!


30 posted on 04/15/2013 11:46:49 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: lowbridge

One of my friends is the original source so this is a very valid concern. He was informed of this Saturday afternoon at 5pm.


31 posted on 04/15/2013 11:56:13 AM PDT by The Mayor (Honesty means never having to look over your shoulder.)
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To: lowbridge
Psychiatrists consider 50% of the U.S. Population Mentally Ill
32 posted on 04/15/2013 11:56:53 AM PDT by SC DOC
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To: MaxMax
Next they will start confiscating/banning books, primarily those evil trouble making Bibles.

Fahrenheit 451.....

FMCDH(BITS)

33 posted on 04/15/2013 11:57:31 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: rarestia

Start shooting back. The Founders would wonder why we hadn’t down so already.


34 posted on 04/15/2013 12:04:38 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: wiggen
I watched. When that movie came out it was difficult to find a kind word for the lead on this site. My how popular opinion has turned.

I'd imagine that's because the primary audience the original graphic novel was written for were largely anarchists.

I find less and less objections to a little anarchy these days.

35 posted on 04/15/2013 12:10:12 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: zeugma

It never offended my sensibilities.


36 posted on 04/15/2013 12:20:02 PM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: lowbridge

This is really chilling. I can see how they might mandate reporting of dangerous people, but I don’t see how they can take the most confidential of records of all patients.


37 posted on 04/15/2013 12:32:20 PM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: Pecos

“My view is that New Yorkers have already defined themselves as sheeple simply by their address - the Left’s hometown. They will never do anything as absolutely personal as defend their right of self-defense.”


Watch out for the broad brush analysis of NYers.

We cannot possibly out vote NYC. Once again the founders knew what would happen if large population bases gained too much political power hence the much hated Electoral College which was their attempt to give rural American close to an equal footing.

In upstate NY, Dairy farms, vineyards, are the big “industries” not the money churners and purveyors of much of the smut you see in the media. The largest cash crop in NYS....... Cabbage, I kid you not.

Once you get a way from the minority controlled cities, NY is beautiful albeit with a communist government fueled by NYC immigrants, half-breeds, druggies, maggot infested, scum.


38 posted on 04/15/2013 12:36:11 PM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: wiggen
It never offended my sensibilities.

Nor mine. I cheered at the ending.

39 posted on 04/15/2013 12:38:43 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: Logical me

“Nothing can be done with this communists State except this should be the location for the CW starting point.”


Albany, controlled by NYC, does need a “V for Vengeance” moment as Shellllllllllldon Silver, elected via just a few thousand votes can control everything that Albany does.

He will prevent any investigation of the Cuomo mafia and will certainly prevent his removal from office no matter how many Amendments he violates as NY does not give a rats behind regarding the US Constitution.


40 posted on 04/15/2013 12:50:54 PM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: SC DOC

That must be the half that voted for obama.


41 posted on 04/15/2013 1:58:24 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: wiggen

Me either. It’s one of my favorite movies. I have the graphic novel too.


42 posted on 04/15/2013 3:44:34 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: shadeaud

“Have them start confiscation on the upper west side, then SOHO and Tribeca. That should end this Stalinist movement”

I doubt that many gun owners in those neighborhoods.

Have them start confiscation in Harlem, BedStuy and the South Bronx... and get some popcorn...


43 posted on 04/15/2013 6:19:57 PM PDT by Yehuda
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks lowbridge.


44 posted on 04/15/2013 7:28:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

The electronic health records are ripe for any manipulation or corruption of our liberties. In the book “1984” they had to find out your greatest fear to have you over a barrel. Like Craig Livingstone, the Clinton worker who took the fall for keeping (copying) FBI files of Republicans, we may never know the full extent of the damage done through this file sharing.


45 posted on 04/16/2013 7:36:51 AM PDT by AmericaUnite
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