Points system in bill would reward and select immigrants

The Washington Times ^ | April 14, 2013 | By David Eldridge and Stephen Dinan -

[moonshinner_09]

Sen. Marco Rubio, Florida Republican, said his plan would make illegal immigrants wait years to gain citizenship. Republican leaders are counting on Mr. Rubio to sell the plan to skeptical conservatives.

“This is not amnesty. Amnesty is the forgiveness of something,” Mr. Rubio said on “Fox News Sunday.” “We’re going to create an alternative that says, ‘OK, you want to stay here, you’ll have to wait more than 10 years, you’ll have to pay this fine, you’ll have to pay your registration fee, you’ll have to be gainfully employed, you won’t qualify for any federal benefits, and then after all of that you don’t get to apply for anything until the enforcement mechanisms are in place.’”The immigration reform bill that senators are writing in secret would move U.S. policy to a points-based system that would reward immigrants who are taking care of disabled parents at the same level as those who have earned master’s degrees in high-tech fields, according to a draft of the legislation reviewed by The Washington Times.

The eight senators writing the bill plan to announce provisions this week, ahead of a major hearing in the SenateJudiciary Committee on Wednesday, but some details already have been leaked. Among them is the points system to select immigrants.

[moonshinner_09]

you’ll have to pay this fine..they do not even say how much the fines are and what they are based on and I fully expect there to be waivers to get around this, you’ll have to pay your registration fee, and more waivers , will be granted,you’ll have to be gainfully employed, wishful thinking, you won’t qualify for any federal benefits, sure they will, just start having kids and this will not pose any problems as free money will continue to come in and then after all of that you don’t get to apply for anything until the enforcement mechanisms are in place.’”much like how they enforce immigration laws now........“Once the present illegal population receives green cards, they will be eligible under current law for a wide array of federal welfare programs including food stamps, Supplemental Security Income, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, and Medicaid,” the three senators wrote. “By their very nature, these programs necessarily represent a net fiscal cost to taxpayers.”..And One of many problems with this is that as soon as they become legal they will want at least minimum wage and then employers will need a whole new crop of illegals. In other words, it will be just like the last time, a major fail.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

They aren’t enforcing current immigration law. There is no reason to believe they’d enforce this one, except for the parts that help them get more Democrat voters.

[NoLibZone]

What this teaches us is that if large numbers of people reject a law they will eventually cater to those people as a voting block.

No one should file this year.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”Republican leaders are counting on Mr. Rubio to sell the plan to skeptical conservatives.
“This is not amnesty. Amnesty is the forgiveness of something,” Mr. Rubio said on “Fox News Sunday.” “We’re going to create an alternative that says, ‘OK, you want to stay here, you’ll have to wait more than 10 years, you’ll have to pay this fine, you’ll have to pay your registration fee, you’ll have to be gainfully employed, you won’t qualify for any federal benefits, and then after all of that you don’t get to apply for anything until the enforcement mechanisms are in place.’”The immigration reform bill that senators are writing in secret would move U.S. policy to a points-based system that would reward immigrants who are taking care of disabled parents at the same level as those who have earned master’s degrees in high-tech fields, according to a draft of the legislation reviewed by The Washington Times. “

Something must be up. Rub on four Sunday shows. He Says that illegals will have a tough road with his immigration ‘plan’.
Lots of hard work, paying lots and lots of taxes and a real long wait to get it. And he has Durbin and Schumer eating out of his hand. A true leader,

What could go wrong?

[Tammy8]

Not only waivers, but the issue of caring for disabled parents- many bring parents here for medical treatment- rarely paid for, another burden on taxpayers. Whatever the requirements are there will be a lot of document forgery- otherwise upstanding people will help them cheat the system. In the end amnesty will be given to many that do not qualify under the rules.

We have been there, done that before. During the last amnesty so-called salt of the earth upstanding people were signing affidavits left and right for illegals saying they had been here the required years or had been working the required time or currently employed by said people when it was absolutely false. The big factor was not even bribery though that happened as well- it was mostly good intentioned folks that had no clue what they were really doing. Many received amnesty last time when they barely crossed the border due to all the fraud.

Illegals know all of this, that is why ever since we did the last amnesty when our politicians speak out for amnesty illegals flood across the border. They know if they can get here before it happens there will likely be a way they can get qualified.

[muawiyah]

Unless Rubio is willing to engage in a land for immigration codicil with Mexico and Canada, he's not serious.

If we are to ever be required to take over the care and maintenance of Mexico's surplus population we need a substantial percentage of their beach front property, and other interesting properties!

[GOPJ]

It’s not great but it’s better than the dem plan. Dem plan asks one question: Will you vote for democrats forever. If you answer ‘yes’, they let you in...

[onyx]

D.O.A.

Time to stop this crap.

We must demand legislation that WE can READ and EASILY UNDERSTAND.

No more than 50 pages!

[M-cubed]

right on!!...the only laws that are strictly enforced are laws that bring in MONEY!!...be it city, state or country...the MONEY is then distributed in a socialist manner...Immigration laws...welfare fraud laws etc. only exist to provide bureaucracy “work” not stop the fraud!

read an article about identity theft filings to the IRS doubling in the last few yrs costing taxpayers millions......The Feds answer....hire more people!!

Whats it called when everybody works for the government??...I forgot....to a liberal its Utopia but that's not the word I'm looking for.../s

[icwhatudo]

The dirty little secret is they don’t want to be citizens. The just want legal status so they can get better jobs than cutting lawns or working for temp agencies. All this mumbo jumbo about paying taxes and fines and waiting is all BS. The legal status is what they want and it is instant-no waiting.

[sickoflibs]

RE:”It’s not great but it’s better than the dem plan. Dem plan asks one question: Will you vote for democrats forever. If you answer ‘yes’, they let you in.”

The fact that Dems smile and praise Rubio on TV tells us a-lot about this secret bill.

[willk]

Make them ineligible to ever receive welfare benefits and not be able to vote until they reach the 25% tax bracket. You’ll see Dems drop immigration reform like a hot potato.

[Postman]

It may not be great and may be better than the Dem plan but it’s not good enough; not nearly good enough Mr. Rubio. You lie down with mangy curs like Schumer and Durbin, you get the same disease carrying fleas they have. You have a wide base. You are in imminent danger of seeing it evaporate.

[SunkenCiv]

• ...by softening its edge on some volatile social issues and altering its image as the party always seemingly "eager to go to war... We do need to expand the party and grow the party and that does mean that we don't always all agree on every issue" ... the party needs to become more welcoming to individuals who disagree with basic Republican doctrine on emotional social issues such as gay marriage... "We're going to have to be a little hands off on some of these issues ... and get people into the party," Paul said. [Rand Paul: Time for GOP to soften [immigration, gay marriage] stance]

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• One day after announcing on his radio show that he is "truly considering" running in 2014 for the U.S. Senate seat now held by New Jersey's Frank Lautenberg, Rivera amped up his message today in a television interview and a column on the Fox News Latino website... a moderate Republican who is fiscally conservative but also supports gay marriage and Roe v. Wade... [Geraldo Rivera declares himself a 'moderate Republican' as he eyes U.S. Senate run]

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[Ray76]

That needs to go viral.

[nomad]

Will ALL the illegal aliens who used falsified IDs be prosecuted for identity fraud, as they should be?

[VerySadAmerican]

I doubt anyone will be coming here for medical treatment once obamacare is fully implemented.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

Washington, D.C. May 27, 2007. An immigration "reform" deal has been drafted and the gang of guffawing goofballs gather to announce their guile sure that they found a way to put one over on us. They were wrong.

Today another gang of guffawing goofballs

.. what is it about immigration "reform" that does this?

"The public believes that we will enforce the law.. bwahaha!"

[Vendome]

They do not want to be citizens of the US.

That’s why they came here as they did....

[montag813]

What a liar, just as Rubio lied to get elected by denouncing the 1986 amnesty and 2007 plan which is nearly identical to HIS current plan.

The Gang of Eight "deal" legalizes illegals IMMEDIATELY. They are given protection from deportation plus work permits and social security numbers. Do not be fooled by the "path to citizenship" nonsense. Most illegals do not even want that. 3.5 million illegals were given amnesty in 1986...as of 2005 only 36% even applied to be citizens! They just want to stay here, work, and send 70% of what they earn back to their home countries. Meanwhile 57% of them collect at least one form of welfare, any children they have here are automatically CITIZENS (hence "anchor babies") and the entire family becomes eligible for SSI, food stamps and WIC. ALL OF THIS HAPPENS before any of thise "pay fines and taxes, learn English, obey the law, secure the border" nonsense. All lies. No ObamaCare? Then why did the Senate vote down Sessions' amendment to bar them from it. Of course they will get it, via Executive or Judicial fiat within months.