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Is Windows 8 Killing PC Sales? Read The Fine Print: The Report Of Windows' Death Was An Exaggeration
Forbes ^ | 04/12/2013 | David K. Johnson

Posted on 04/14/2013 5:33:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

On May 5, 1907, The New York Times published a column written that same morning by Mark Twain on the news of his death the day before. “You can assure my Virginia friends,” said Twain, “that I will make an exhaustive investigation of this report that I have been lost at sea. If there is any foundation for the report, I will at once apprise the anxious public.” The event led to the oft-misquoted phrase: “The report of my death was an exaggeration.”

Everyone it seems, loves a good untimely death

So much so, the Wikipedia maintains a list of 219 famous erroneous death reports. Paul McCartney was reported dead on a radio show in 1966, with fans convinced he’d been replaced by an impostor. Pope John Paul II is on the list with the distinction of being the only known triple recipient of early death news reports. And the US House of Representatives cemented its reputation as the best comedy show in town when news of Bob Hope’s death was reported on the floor and broadcast on C-SPAN…five years too early. And so it goes with taking news at face value.

Even me

I guess I’m no different in proffering bold headlines of untimely deaths, but I do think it’s important not to take any data at face value. This week, the newswires are blazing with the news that PC shipments dropped 14% year-over-year. You’d think the zombie apocalypse was upon us (yes, there’s a list of false apocalypses too). But when I look at the fine print, I draw a different conclusion. Note that tablets – including the ones with detachable keyboards – are *not* included in the PC shipments figure.

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1 posted on 04/14/2013 5:33:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

AUTHOR WONDERS IF ALL THIS TOUTING OF THE DEATH OF THE PC IS ALL HYPE AND NOTHING MORE:

He says:

Don’t sound the alarm with only half of the story

Well, duh! Isn’t that Microsoft‘s intent – to shift PC sales to tablets? Could it be that Microsoft’s strategy is beginning to work, and we’re seeing Windows 8 & Windows RT tablets starting to take hold? We know that enterprise interest in proactively adopting Windows 8 is muted, but our Q3 2012 Workforce Employee Survey data is remarkably promising for Windows 8’s prospects for BYOD in the enterprise, with a full 20% of information workers reporting that they want Windows 8 on their next tablet, vs. 26% for iOS. Not bad considering that Windows 8 wasn’t quite shipping yet when we fielded the survey.


2 posted on 04/14/2013 5:34:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

what on earth is Blackberry playbook


3 posted on 04/14/2013 5:35:11 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SeekAndFind

The idea of wanting to make a PC somehow or other work like a tablet or gadget (Windows 8) is basically idiotic.


4 posted on 04/14/2013 5:40:58 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: SeekAndFind

Arafat’s death was reported numerous times before he actually cashed in. I know, I read it numerous times, right here.


5 posted on 04/14/2013 5:45:34 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Graybeard58

if pcs last like they should, people wouldn’t need to keep replacing them...............


6 posted on 04/14/2013 5:47:15 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Salo; JosephW; Only1choice____Freedom; amigatec; stylin_geek; ...

7 posted on 04/14/2013 5:47:40 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: SeekAndFind

I just signed a contract with a very large client. Said contract requires we conduct all invoicing thru an internet portal they have set up. They gave us minimum requirements and specifically stated Win 8 not supported. Chrome not supported either.


8 posted on 04/14/2013 5:56:56 AM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: varmintman
The idea of wanting to make a PC somehow or other work like a tablet or gadget (Windows 8) is basically idiotic.

Not at all. It will make it easier for developers to deploy applications across multiple platforms at once. In Windows 8 on a desktop, you can avoid the Start Screen by pinning your most used applications to the Task Bar. The Live Tiles are nice though.

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9 posted on 04/14/2013 5:58:48 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: SeekAndFind

All these reports of declining “PC” sales are a little deceptive when tablets are counted in a separate category. Tablets are personal computers, though smaller and with less functionality in most cases. But the more expensive ones are practically just smaller PCs.

Just because desktop or laptop or notebook sales might decline while table sales increase, that doesn’t equal declining personal computer sales, just a shift in the platform for a portion of PC sales.


10 posted on 04/14/2013 5:58:51 AM PDT by Will88
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To: yldstrk
if pcs last like they should, people wouldn’t need to keep replacing them
PC replacement is not a reliability issue - rather - it's about upgrading to the latest technology.
11 posted on 04/14/2013 6:11:32 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: SeekAndFind
Windows is dead.

Again.

This week.

Yada yada yada...

Call me when someone develops another OS that can replace the Windows OS family at the enterprise level. Until that happens it's going no where. No amount of shoe horned in to full corporate operation Ipads or trying to use Google whatever is going to change that.

And yes I use my Ipad that way now, and its not bad, but...

12 posted on 04/14/2013 6:18:19 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Something *is* going on, the author’s protestations to the contrary. PC’s running windows are being hit by the perfect storm of phones, tablets, windows8, lack of a technological imperative to upgrade, the cloud, virtual computing, the list goes on and on. Hard to imagine the market ever recovering to what it has been absent some other game changing event or events.


13 posted on 04/14/2013 6:20:54 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: oh8eleven

And that’s one of the “problems”. The limiting factor on most people’s computer is no longer the processor or storage, but rather the bandwidth of the internet connection. It’s like being able to upgrade to a car which can go 200 mph, but still being stuck on 65 mph roads. Why spend the money?


14 posted on 04/14/2013 6:23:59 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I bought the latest iPad back in November not to replace my windows laptop but for other purposes. I found myself rarely going back to use the laptop and did only to retrieve files that were on it.

Each time I’d get back on my laptop it would frustrate me to no end.
I WILL NEVER purchase another windows based PC ever. Bill Gates can kiss my a$$!

I know it will cost at least twice as much but my next PC will be a MAC.


15 posted on 04/14/2013 6:31:17 AM PDT by diverteach (If I find liberals in heaven after my death.....I WILL BE PISSED!!!)
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To: umgud

I use a database that automatically works with Windows 8 like a dream. Invoices should be simple, that doesn’t seem right. I’m not a the one programming this stuff, so what do I know.

Money is money, you gotta do what they want..


16 posted on 04/14/2013 6:38:12 AM PDT by CommieCutter
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To: KarlInOhio
It’s like being able to upgrade to a car which can go 200 mph, but still being stuck on 65 mph roads. Why spend the money?
Because you can always find another road (i.e. ISP) where you can go 200 mph.
17 posted on 04/14/2013 6:44:39 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: varmintman
The idea of wanting to make a PC somehow or other work like a tablet or gadget (Windows 8) is basically idiotic.

Why would that be?

But, you have your PC/tablet/Windows concept backwards.

The idea is to have a tablet that is capable of handling Windows 8, and from what's been coming out to the marketplace, it's being done quite well, by several different makers.

Sales may be lackluster, but the form-factor works quite well, and even better than any other tablet on the market right now. Battery life might be the only area where the Windows 8 (not the Windows 8 RT) tablets suck, but that too will be improved, perhaps within the year.

There are many millions of people eager to get one device which can work as the "traditional" tablet, and that can also server as a full-blown PC. Storage and screen size might be lacking, but it's what people have been migrating to in the last few years.

Fact is that, even the feature-limited tablets, like the Androids and the iPads, will be getting more PC-like features, with more memory and more ports, and better connectivity. So, the tablet-PC might be ahead of its time, considering that, the other tablets will be gaining more PC-like capabilities in the short and distant future.
18 posted on 04/14/2013 6:57:21 AM PDT by adorno (Y)
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To: diverteach
Each time I’d get back on my laptop it would frustrate me to no end. I WILL NEVER purchase another windows based PC ever. Bill Gates can kiss my a$$! I know it will cost at least twice as much but my next PC will be a MAC.

Funny how different people have different experiences with the same things. I am writing this on my iPad, which is great for certain things but not for others. I use PC's a lot at home & work, like my win 7 AND my win 8 machines. I have a macbook that I use for a few specific things, but every time I try to use it for things I normally do on a PC I am frustrated to no end. At this time there is NO way I'd adopt a Mac as my main tech device.

19 posted on 04/14/2013 6:58:36 AM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I remember the toll road debate here in Houston.

The governor’s (paid) friends on this site kept telling me that soon every highway (and street) for that matter will be a toll road, so get with it, stop trying to live in the past. Beyond that, they will be privately owned and unregulated (i.e., charging at least 30 cents per mile). That was a decade ago - and yes there are a couple of new toll highways (as well as new freeways), and some new toll lanes on existing highways (as well as new free lanes), but no - the Interstates in Texas still don’t have tolls, and the talk of that crap is went out the door when the Governor needed to get re-elected in 2010.

Until Windows 8, I’ve been a defender of Microsoft’s OS’s. But this was sickening. People don’t buy a computer because it has Windows, they buy a computer in spite of Windows. And while Windows isn’t great, it works good enough and we got used to it. So now MS decides that they OWN us and can give us whatever crap they want to dish out. Well sorry, but the customer is speaking now.


20 posted on 04/14/2013 7:04:40 AM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: yldstrk
LULZ good question.

There are some at RIM that probably don't know.

21 posted on 04/14/2013 7:07:09 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: diverteach
I know it will cost at least twice as much but my next PC will be a MAC.

A MAC is a PC. Just with a different OS.

Furthermore, a huge number of people who do get Macs, also turn them into virtual Windows PCs, with the intent of running software written for PCs, which in reality is most of applications ever written.
22 posted on 04/14/2013 7:07:55 AM PDT by adorno (Y)
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To: SeekAndFind

Some are blaming Windows 8 for slow PC sales.

But that doesn’t explain the drop in Macs, Androids and others.

The transition from laptop to tablet is part of the reason.

But the *REAL* reason is the economy sucks and people are not buying new technology as quickly.

PS: Windows 8 is fantastic! I sent this from my Microsoft Surface Pro tablet, loaded with Office 2013, and have replaced my laptop 100%.

One device for everything.


23 posted on 04/14/2013 7:09:46 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: ejonesie22

Unix, Linux (really open source Unix).


24 posted on 04/14/2013 7:10:12 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: yldstrk

PC’s are lasting forever lately. That’s the problem. No one sees a need to upgrade to the latest and greatest when their current stuff still works.


25 posted on 04/14/2013 7:11:12 AM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: Erik Latranyi

Fast?

Size of SSD?


26 posted on 04/14/2013 7:15:36 AM PDT by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: SeekAndFind
A couple of months ago mrs p6 bought a new laptop. It came with W8 so I was skeptical. All I did was set it up and let her go to see how she adapted migrating from XP.

Day 1: "I HATE THIS!" (same thing she said when we moved from '98 to ME or whatever)

Day 2: "Hey, these tiles are pretty cool. Still a pain to learn to use them. WHERE IS THE START SCREEN?"

Day 3: "Oh look at THIS. Charms and stuff...There are some things that I kind of like."

Day 4: "Don't care about the start screen anymore. Can you put W8 on our desktop?" (Answer NO...I could but it would be pushing the hardware. I'll just build another and use the old desktop and XP for the webcam, weather station and software that runs 24/7)

Day 5 to present: she loves W8, has had zero problems. The learning curve was a bit steep but I can deal with that.

The learning curve on my Infinitec Pocket TV (it turns our 52" TV into an Android tablet) was more difficult for me. It uses a Wimote type mouse with a smallish keyboard and runs with Ice Cream Sandwich. Waving my arm around for the mouse is a pain even though it works fairly well. I plan on replacing it with a BT keyboard and pad. FWIW I refused to update from '98 but when I did I was happy. Then I moved to XP because that's what we were using at work. Glad I did. It's been good for me over it's life.

Skipped Vista and 7 but after all XP is what....10 years old? Time to move on.

27 posted on 04/14/2013 7:15:45 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts help hold the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: Graybeard58

That reminds me, I need to pick a 48oz beverage before I visit his grave.


28 posted on 04/14/2013 7:17:34 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: jdsteel

I’m not on the Mac boat either. I continue to hear how they last for 10 years or whatever..I’m sure they’re good, not knocking them.

I’m decent with technology so I can handle the bugs that come with PC and I usually find laptops for 500 bucks that can last 5+ years or longer.

It’s not worth the money to me.

(I’ve had less problems since I switched to FireFox 5 years ago.)


29 posted on 04/14/2013 7:17:39 AM PDT by CommieCutter
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To: SeekAndFind

Charts like this are fine, for those of 20 years of age, and no problems seeing all the colors of the spectrum.

Since I DO have problems seeing certain colors of the spectrum, this graph cannot be correctly interpreted to determine which percentage goes with which group!

As far as Windoze 8 matters, no, no, (CH)UCK NO!


30 posted on 04/14/2013 7:19:58 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: BobL
Well sorry, but the customer is speaking now.

Actually, Windows 8 occurred because, Microsoft was/is listening to the consumer. The consumer was and is moving to the mobile platforms, and the touch-capable platforms. Windows 8 is a response to what the consumer was moving towards, and that consumer is still moving that way. The intent from Microsoft was to give the people the form factor, while keeping the power of Windows within those new tablet-PCs.

Microsoft would have been criticized if they had just upgraded Windows to Windows 8, keeping the traditional desktop intact. We'd all be hearing about Microsoft the dinosaur, not keeping up with the times or what people are wanting.

Microsoft responded with an OS which serves the traditional desktop and the new touch-capable mobile devices. No other OS can do both, except Windows 8. And, people who complain about the new UI or the metro interface, don't have to use it, and can go directly to the better-known desktop, with no problems. IN fact, the desktop is virtually unchanged from Windows 7, and the OS actually works faster than Windows 7. People complain about the "Start" menu or start button missing, but, most people hardly ever used it, including me. Most of what people use, they put on the desktop for immediate access.

But, the start menu is still available with Windows 8, except that, it looks different, and it's immediately in-your-face as soon as one turns on the PC. It's called the "Start" screen, and all applications that one wishes to use, are on that screen, and all others that aren't immediately apparent, but are a couple of click away from being displayed.

Change is difficult for people, even if the change actually makes things a lot simpler than before the change. Windows 8 serves multiple purposes and multiple platforms. And it all works quite well. It just takes a few minutes to get used to how it works. The Start screen may not have been the prettiest design that MS could have come up with, but it's functional attributes can't be denied.
31 posted on 04/14/2013 7:29:51 AM PDT by adorno (Y)
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To: miliantnutcase

Exactly. Most of customers use PCs for the Internet, email and some light word processing. Many of them are still using Windows XP because it still works fine for these tasks.


32 posted on 04/14/2013 7:32:15 AM PDT by Wiggins
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To: Erik Latranyi

My next PC at work will be a surface tablet.

I want/need the ability to take the same device from the desktop to the field.

I’m currently using a desktop that I then have to RDP into from a iPad. What a horrid experience THAT is.

The ability to seamlessly use the same device everywhere is a Godsend.

Cheers,

knewshound


33 posted on 04/14/2013 7:36:08 AM PDT by knews_hound (Reading without commenting since 2001.)
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To: Terry L Smith
Since I DO have problems seeing certain colors of the spectrum, this graph cannot be correctly interpreted to determine which percentage goes with which group!

Well, I can see colors fine, but whoever made this graph used the same shade of gray for two wedges and the same shade of blue for two wedges. There ARE enough colors in this world so you don't have to double up twice on something this simple.

Their color squares before the names on the right are tiny. They should also write the percentages right after the squares and before the names, since they put them not in high to low order, but in clockwise order.

The thing was probably designed by an 'artist' who wanted style over function. The kind of person who would use three shades of purple for stoplights and make them squares, circles, and triangles.

34 posted on 04/14/2013 7:37:10 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: yldstrk
Blackberry Playbook
35 posted on 04/14/2013 7:41:56 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth." --Alan Greenspan)
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To: jpsb

Not yet. Good for some things but can’t capture the desk top and does not hold the server market because of Windows active directory.

Remember we are not talking about what IT people like but what creates a working environment for the average user.


36 posted on 04/14/2013 7:47:22 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: SeekAndFind
and we’re seeing Windows 8 & Windows RT tablets starting to take hold?

I work in IT and I have never even seen one outside of the showroom.

I don't think people are "buying it".

37 posted on 04/14/2013 7:49:51 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Erik Latranyi
But the *REAL* reason is the economy sucks and people are not buying new technology as quickly.

And we have a winnah!

38 posted on 04/14/2013 7:50:25 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: knews_hound

And that’s why Microsoft holds the fort. They maybe slow but when they get there..


39 posted on 04/14/2013 7:50:56 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: adorno

“Change is difficult for people...”

Suck me. The sales results show that MS screwed up, and BIG TIME. I know that MS works for both, so why didn’t they configure it based on the platform, brain child?


40 posted on 04/14/2013 7:56:25 AM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: Incorrigible
In Windows 8 on a desktop, you can avoid the Start Screen by pinning your most used applications to the Task Bar.

Like I do now in Windows 7. Every live person I've talked to with Windows 8 hates it.

41 posted on 04/14/2013 8:00:49 AM PDT by aimhigh ( Guns do not kill people. Abortion kills people.)
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To: adorno

“Change is difficult for people, even if the change actually makes things a lot simpler than before the change.”

It’s a lot like when cup holders first started coming in pickups . What do you need that for? I can hold my beer between my legs. Now I wouldn’t be caught without one. Change is inevitable.


42 posted on 04/14/2013 8:03:57 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Obama is the Chicken Little of politics)
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To: SeekAndFind

Tablets are a real convenience and you can’t take that away from them. But when it comes to productivity imo nothing will replace the desk top or lap top.

I have all three but this 10 year old Inspiron 1150 running XP captures the majority of my browsing time even though it’s probably the less efficient device I have...it’s just an enjoyable experience out here on the porch with it.


43 posted on 04/14/2013 8:04:41 AM PDT by exPBRrat
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To: aimhigh

The Amazon Kindle Fire and Kindle Fire HD utilizes a heavily customized version of Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich OS.


44 posted on 04/14/2013 8:08:22 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

“It’s a lot like when cup holders first started coming in pickups . What do you need that for? I can hold my beer between my legs. Now I wouldn’t be caught without one. Change is inevitable.”

Nice try...there are pages and pages (probably thousands of pages) of complaints about Windows 8, but find me a complaint about the presence of cup holders in a car.

Change DOES NOT have to tolerated. From what I see on this site, people are nowhere close to TOLERATING a change in our gun laws or immigration laws. So how would you react if I told to you suck it up on Amnesty and Gun Control, don’t even fight it, because “change is inevitable”?


45 posted on 04/14/2013 8:11:23 AM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: adorno
Absolutely. My laptops dual boot Windoze and Linux (and at a time played hackintosh) but if I had a Macbook it would still get Win & Linux installed. Fact is I use Linux most of the time, it works very well for everything except some work apps out in Citrix land. They have been ported to OS-X and iOS but Linux and Android are out for the time being.

Microsoft's target is, I think, a form factor which appeals to me. A lightweight notebook which can function as a tablet with real computer horsepower and storage. When it matures somewhat (meaning better and less expensive) I'll buy it.

46 posted on 04/14/2013 8:15:59 AM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (I will not comply.)
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To: BobL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE7sKCBmSI4&feature=youtube_gdata_player


47 posted on 04/14/2013 8:26:32 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Obama is the Chicken Little of politics)
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To: Caipirabob

I got a good deal on a Windows 8 PC. I absolutely hated Windows 8 and got rid of the PC. Windows 8 really really sucks on a desktop computer. Might be OK for a tablet or a pad but it is useless on a desktop.


48 posted on 04/14/2013 8:30:13 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

“but find me a complaint about the presence of cup holders in a car.”

Nice try again, but note the term PRESENCE above. I pick my words carefully...she’s not complaining about the presence of cup holders, she’s complaining about the crappy UAW-made cup holders in her vehicle.

(by the way, is she available?)


49 posted on 04/14/2013 8:30:41 AM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: SeekAndFind

For simmers (such as myself) and gamers, nothing can replace a desktop system. I run FSX and Train Simulator 2013 on a 3-monitor system. Can’t do that with a tablet.


50 posted on 04/14/2013 8:32:15 AM PDT by Signalman
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