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Has Marriage Already Been “Redefined”?
Crisis Magazine ^ | April 10, 2013 | Kenneth D. Whitehead

Posted on 04/10/2013 2:27:24 PM PDT by NYer

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Kenneth D. Whitehead is a former career diplomat who served in Rome and the Middle East and as the chief of the Arabic Service of the Voice of America. For eight years he served as executive vice president of Catholics United for the Faith. He also served as a United States Assistant Secretary of Education during the Reagan Administration. His most recent book is Affirming Religious Freedom: How Vatican Council II Developed the Church’s Teaching to Meet Today’s Needs (St. Paul’s, 2010).
1 posted on 04/10/2013 2:27:24 PM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 04/10/2013 2:27:52 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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The Supreme Court is directly responsible for the killing of over forty million human lives. Its very doubtful that these people will be much troubled by a traditional definition of marriage.


3 posted on 04/10/2013 2:30:58 PM PDT by allendale
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To: NYer

No, marriage has never been “redefined” - however, the meaning of the term HAS been grossly perverted and horribly stained by America’s homosexuals.


4 posted on 04/10/2013 2:33:39 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: NYer

Marriage is a union to protect procreation where the two become one. Procreation requires male and female complementary reproductive systems. Gay marriage is a fraud.


5 posted on 04/10/2013 2:41:19 PM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: NYer

THAT’S GAYCIST!


6 posted on 04/10/2013 2:42:27 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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OK.......I'll be the one who agrees with this and at the same time defends the truth about what Rush Limbaugh said along these same lines...

All the appeals, pleas, rallies, demonstrations, exhortations, law review articles, amicus briefs, etc., calling on the Supreme Court not to “redefine marriage,” need not be considered at all, but can simply be by-passed and left aside. Marriage already has been redefined in nine states and the District of Columbia. The court does not even have to address all the other issues that has been raised. All that needs to be done is to extend the legal benefits of marriage to same-sex unions in those nine states and the District of Coumbia by invalidating the part of DOMA that currently excludes them from those benefits. Presumably the part of DOMA that guarantees that other states need not recognize same-sex unions defined as marriages by other states could even be left in place. If states truly have the authority to “define” marriage under the Constitution, then the states that have redefined it have acted in accordance with the authority they have, and nothing more needs to be said or done about it.

The unfortunate fact is that the States themselves have been compromised by liberals putting forth arguments that use "fairness" as a basis to extend marital rights and privileges to gays. Trying to counter that with substitution of Marriage with Civil Union, a area specifically assigned to government and not the church has failed in these states. The only way to save the institution of marriage is to remove it from government and that has not even been tried or lobbied for.

So........it's lost, because the institution of marriage was never defined properly in the first place when government began to regulate it, and government has since distorted and redefined it for their purposes, starting with the first marriage performed by a notary at some city hall. Which was really a civil union, but nobody ever made that argument or complained about the process. We should have, and Churches should have complained and differentiated the government civil union from the marriage performed by a Church, But it never happened or was never a argument that was acted on because of a lack of public support.

What Rush is saying, and this author is saying, is that in their view it is to late to do something that should have been done many, many decades ago. The fairness argument is now winning and it really has nothing to do with the institution of marriage and everything to do with government control of it.

7 posted on 04/10/2013 2:55:58 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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Kenneth D. Whitehead is a former career diplomat who served in Rome and the Middle East and as the chief of the Arabic Service of the Voice of America.

I just barely skimmed the article and he's entitled to whatever his opinion is, but I have a hard time trusting the motives of anyone whose job was to spread government propaganda, regardless of which government it is.

8 posted on 04/10/2013 3:02:55 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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No, marriage has never been “redefined” - however, the meaning of the term HAS been grossly perverted and horribly stained by America’s homosexuals.

The no fault divorce laws and the divorce industry did a lot more damage than you're giving the homosexuals credit for.

9 posted on 04/10/2013 3:04:54 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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Whitehead's arguments are all based in natural law. The only justice that still cares about the natural law is Clarence Thomas.

DOMA and Prop 8 could go down 8-1.

10 posted on 04/10/2013 3:05:37 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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Why aren’t the supreme court rulings from the 1800s regarding Mormons and plural marriage defining it as one man and one woman being cited in the current gay marriage case?


11 posted on 04/10/2013 3:15:26 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: NYer

Abraham and Sarah are BOTH laughing in heaven since God gave them the baby he promised. Even a seventy year old couple are more likely to have a child than two men who get it on.


12 posted on 04/10/2013 3:28:00 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Cold Heat
There was a chain of events that led up to this point but that is a different discourse. While I am no fan of Pat Robertson, he recently made a statement that, in the context of history, is absolutely correct.

Pat Robertson on gay marriage

In history there's never been a civilization ever in history that has embraced homosexuality and turned away from traditional fidelity, traditional marriage, traditional child-rearing, and has survived. There isn't one single civilization that has survived that openly embraced homosexuality. So you say, "what's going to happen to America?" Well if history is any guide, the same thing's going to happen to us.

Back in 1969, an Italian immigrant friend of mine, educated in classical history, assessed the American landscape and made an astounding pronoucement. He first noted the rise in the feminist movement. Citing historical records, he pointed to the Ancient civilizations of Rome and Greece, stating that in both instances, once women rose to power, they were soon followed by a rise in the homosexual movement after which they collapsed. He then said that, if this pattern were left unchecked, I would witness the collapse of the US in my lifetime. This was 1969! At the time, I laughed; I stopped laughing years ago as I have watched his pronouncement unfold.

13 posted on 04/10/2013 3:33:30 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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I agree with you 100%.....

But unfortunately our knowledge of history is not apparently enough to change our destiny as a civilization.

I respect those who refuse to accept this, and as we both know, this political fight is far from over but we are losing the battle. I nearly threw my son out on his butt last week because of this and other things that he has been conditioned to accept as fairness...

I told him....(age 25) that I had failed as a father to prevent the lefties from indoctrinating him. To be fair, I failed with all of them.

With all this nonsense about the fiscal cliff some weeks ago, I commented to my wife that the American society had already fallen over the real cliff. The falling does not hurt and is not seen or felt because we have not hit the bottom yet.

After the fires go out, I don't know what the future will be like....not anymore...all I can do is prepare for the fires. The ones that will be lit when the stuff hits the fan.

14 posted on 04/10/2013 4:20:37 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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It’s because Democracy has a flaw.....It’s because liberals have exploited that flaw in spite of the fact that the country was founded as a republic.

It took a while, but they pulled it off...


15 posted on 04/10/2013 4:25:04 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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The no fault divorce laws and the divorce industry did a lot more damage than you're giving the homosexuals credit for.

You are correct. The homosexuals would not be able to do what they are doing if heterosexuals had not already watered down the meaning of marriage so. Hardly anybody gets married for better, for worse; for richer, for poorer, etc. anymore. And greedy lawyers and biased judges have had a field day. Add to that the Hollywood elite who either shun marriage altogether or make it a serial occurance that only lasts as long as the elaborate reception.

16 posted on 04/10/2013 4:45:14 PM PDT by informavoracious (The ancient Greeks and Romans thought they were on the "right side of history.")
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To: NYer
They call it whatever they want.  The BIOLOGY stays the same.
 
 
Sex, Evolution and Behavior
By Martin Daly and Margo Wilson
 
 
Got Socio-Biological Fitness?
 
 "Gay" penguins don't - not even in the San Francisco zoo
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=San+Francisco+gay+penguins
 
FAIL.

17 posted on 04/10/2013 5:09:40 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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“Justice Kennedy is also the author of the notorious 1992 Planned Parenthood v. Casey Supreme Court decision which ruled that abortion on demand had to remain legal because, after all, people generally wanted it and needed it; and because, in Kennedy’s words, “at the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.””

Its statements like that which make me question the competent of the Federal Employees in black robes. For in the act of abortion you are not merely defining your own concept of existence and beginning of life. You are defining it for someone else whom you are deeming unworthy of life.

More over in the Federal Government’s intrusting they are depriving our states of the ability to protect people from being murdered. By forcing upon us a definition of life that excludes some of the most helpless among us.


18 posted on 04/10/2013 5:40:04 PM PDT by Monorprise (`)
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To: Jack Hammer

Sexuality has been perverted just as much by heterosexuals who indulge in contraception.


19 posted on 04/10/2013 6:22:16 PM PDT by TradicalRC (Conservatism is primarily a Christian movement.)
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To: Monorprise
“at the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.””

Shorten that up a bit to:Everything is Relative

20 posted on 04/10/2013 7:46:21 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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