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NRA Fires Back: Gun rights group to oppose Manchin, Toomey background check bill
Washington Free Beacon ^ | April 10, 2013 | CJ Ciaramella

Posted on 04/10/2013 10:36:37 AM PDT by xzins

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To: C. Edmund Wright

I lit into an NRA rep in 2010 at the Bloomsburg (Pa) Fair b/c they were supporting two “pro-gun” Democrat frauds, Chris Carney and Paul Kanjorski over REAL 2nd Amendment supporters Tom Marino and Lou Barletta. Fortunately, the incumbent Dems lost, but their initial support for HARRY REID helped him, along with massive voter fraud, to defeat Sharon Angle. The NRA official had no response. In fact, he was somewhat apologetic. Bob


51 posted on 04/10/2013 12:05:41 PM PDT by alstewartfan (300 boys and no girls at all You're a fool if you leave Think of the joys of rugby footballAlStewart)
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To: MileHi

Tyrant Kim Un Obama must be very pleased that his efforts have so easily “FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGED THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.”


52 posted on 04/10/2013 12:08:43 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Labyrinthos

I, too, am an NRA member, and I think that they generally do a good job WHEN they are on the offensive.

They are weak when they are attempting simply to maintain the status quo....football’s prevent defense would be a good analogy.

By its very nature, the NRA should always be on the attack.


53 posted on 04/10/2013 12:22:56 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Target pre-HS grad, teen mothers and you’ll see poverty and crime plummet. Chicago would be more like Mayberry without teen motherhood.

Of course, doing that strikes at two of the gods of liberalism: free sex and welfare programs.

Why can’t conservative candidates win on this?


54 posted on 04/10/2013 12:26:35 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: ArrogantBustard
-- Maybe NRA should pay some attention to folks who live in the states where these smarmy bastards come from, instead of sitting in their NoVA Ivory Tower deciding what looks good on paper. --

I suspect there is some payola going on, too. That is, Manchin contacts NRA, has a sit down, tells his story, forks over 20 or 30 large ....

55 posted on 04/10/2013 12:28:24 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Nevermore

What liberal program hasn’t metastatized into a monstrous cancer on liberty?

If the ostensible purpose is to “prevent another Sandy Hook or mass shooting”, then background checks, even as currently used, won’t do that.

Take a look at the current low numbers of prosecutions under the existing NICS system.

Nothing could be easier to prosecute than a felon attempting to purchase a firearm. You’ve got at least one witness, it’s on film, the perp filled out the paperwork - it’s an orgy of evidence.

That so few ever get prosecuted tells the entire story.

Criminals will get guns - they’re criminals.


56 posted on 04/10/2013 12:29:41 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Arm_Bears

Manchin did indeed run as a pro gun rights conservative. Now that he’s shown his colors I’m gonna guess that his NRA support is gone. I was just geting ready to send another check to NRA-ILA and will furshure include a note to defund Manchin.


57 posted on 04/10/2013 12:37:25 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: xzins
The NRA’s support 2 cycles ago of Harry Reid was insane, and we all knew it was insane.

That doesn’t mean, however, that they can’t acquire big boy pants and finally figure out what’s going on.

Big boy pants?

They've become adults now?.

After 30 years of incremental government oppression and control including 30,000 gun laws, they finally figured out what going on?

You really buy this cow flop?

58 posted on 04/10/2013 12:39:47 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: 1010RD
Why can’t conservative candidates win on this?

Because they're too busy saying they created jobs at Staples and saying that social issues are dead losers in political campaigns.

59 posted on 04/10/2013 12:44:11 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Nevermore

Others have already answered with the backdoor registration problem. Another is that just loaning a gun to a friend could become an actionable offense. I heard a sheriff speaking on Fox. He gave the example of people who had to evacuate due to fires in their area. If they’d left their guns with a friend for safe-keeping, they & the friends would be criminals under these rules.

Another law, another criminal. Like Ayn Rand said, they WANT us to break a law. It makes controlling us that much easier.


60 posted on 04/10/2013 12:44:53 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: dragnet2

I’m referring to the NRA.


61 posted on 04/10/2013 12:45:42 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Uh...So was I.


62 posted on 04/10/2013 12:46:20 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

compared to other groups the nra is the 8000 lb gorilla in the room. they have the membership, the resources, and the money to take action.

multiply 4.5 million members by 10 means that many like minded REGISTERED VOTERS.


63 posted on 04/10/2013 12:46:43 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: dragnet2

Good. Now it’s clear.


64 posted on 04/10/2013 12:48:16 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
they are right about this

Agreed, this is what is important now and they need to be supported on this decision. We can deal with all of their other misteps on the side.

65 posted on 04/10/2013 12:48:59 PM PDT by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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To: Nevermore
I am not clear on what makes these background checks dangerous.

Under the Framers' intent, and the founding generation's understanding of the US Constitution, was the assumption that the rights guaranteed under the first ten amendments, were inherent in the people, that is, given by God, and not dependent nor granted by any government of men.

In that wise, they stand in superior position to the US Constitution and every law, statute, regulation, and ordinance of government. It then logically follows that our government does not have the authority to make any law appertaining to our God-given rights.

Every firearms related law on the books at this time, is in violation of this fundamental reality. Allowing Congress to implement more laws that attach to our God-given rights is simply a surrender of even more of our natural liberties.

It's fundamentally wrong, and can only lead to yet more laws and loss of our freedoms.

66 posted on 04/10/2013 1:07:09 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
What part of "shall not be infringed" is difficult to understand?

Apparently, it's the part about "shall not be infringed" that leftists have trouble understanding. Purposely, I might add.

67 posted on 04/10/2013 1:09:39 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Nevermore

It’s none of there damned business. We have a God-given, constitutionally guaranteed right to be armed. No permits, no checking, no government lists required (or permitted)!!

They want my gun, they’ll have to come and take it!!


68 posted on 04/10/2013 1:10:58 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!n)
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To: PotatoChop
the socialists are
69 posted on 04/10/2013 1:11:36 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: xzins
By its very nature, the NRA should always be on the attack.

NRA/ILA's goal should be to render NRA/ILA unnecessary. The very idea of gun control should be so toxic that no politician, of whatever party or political philosophy, would dare even think it.

70 posted on 04/10/2013 1:12:22 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Nevermore

>>I’m as distrustful of government as anyone, but I am not clear on what makes these background checks dangerous.

The background check is not dangerous. What is dangerous is the implementation. When a gun arrives at a dealer, it is logged in with a firearms record book, which is a legal document that must be maintained. They can see when it arrived and when it left the dealer’s hands.

Now, how do they keep track of YOUR gun to make sure that left your possession only after a proper background check?

Universal background checks requires universal registration. Registration leads to confiscation.

Also, how will you do a background check? Will you be able to call the same number as the FFL dealer and pay a small fee? Or will they require you and the buyer to go to a dealer so they can “process” your sale. The dealers around here charge about $150 to process a sale where they don’t make any money.

This is another “let’s pass it to see what’s in it” bill.


71 posted on 04/10/2013 1:17:56 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Arm_Bears

I do believe the NRA has felt the “impact” of bending over and grabbing it’s ankles.

As I have previously stated before, the 1st “shot” heard across the world will be in NY.


72 posted on 04/10/2013 1:20:57 PM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: xzins

And we would be in MUCH worse shape now if it hadn’t been for them.


73 posted on 04/10/2013 1:28:48 PM PDT by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: Nevermore

You just answered your own question. We don’t have to defend why background checks cause us harm. They have to defend how background checks would have prevented Newtown. All of this is in response to Newtown. What is their plan to “solve” it so it doesn’t happen again? I’m waiting. They have no plan. Its not even possible.

I want to see these liberals get down on their hands and knees and confess they are using this tragedy to implement their agenda. I want them to apologize and beg for forgiveness


74 posted on 04/10/2013 1:29:22 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Nevermore

You just answered your own question. We don’t have to defend why background checks cause us harm. They have to defend how background checks would have prevented Newtown. All of this is in response to Newtown. What is their plan to “solve” it so it doesn’t happen again? I’m waiting. They have no plan. Its not even possible.

I want to see these liberals get down on their hands and knees and confess they are using this tragedy to implement their agenda. I want them to apologize and beg for forgiveness


75 posted on 04/10/2013 1:35:22 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: xzins

I think you’re steps too late. Well before 2016 we need a candidate we can count on and coalesce around.

We can’t keep waiting for the perfect candidate or a conservative superman. Romney won in a crowded field because it was crowded.

I could tolerate a Rand presidency. I want someone who will start and lead the rollback. Between him and Congress I think we can do it.

I don’t see anyone else on the horizon that is serious about fundamental conservative issues. Get government out of our lives and a lot of stuff devolves back to the states. Instantly restoring liberty.

Federalism and restoring state power is the only way back from a national government.


76 posted on 04/10/2013 1:36:18 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: xzins

...they’re opposed to Manchin and Toomey, but continue to back Harry Reid...


77 posted on 04/10/2013 1:42:03 PM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: xzins
Someone help me out here; this is gibberish.

There are no "internet sales." All sales must be through an FFL. WTF?

Gun show sales already require a background check. WTF?

What is this about? It sounds like a drug-induced article from a Libtard.

78 posted on 04/10/2013 1:43:29 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: C. Edmund Wright

They try to win pols from both parties over to our side, too. Doesn’t always work out as well as it should. Mostly because there are so many pols that know nothing about the issue. Thats the ones the NRA tries to sway. And, they try to stay single issue.If it was one sided with just Republicans supporting us, this bill would already have passed, most likely, Dems have the majority right now in the Senate.


79 posted on 04/10/2013 1:44:20 PM PDT by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: Quickgun

I’m not sure you understand the NRA’s strategy, or how The Senate works, in reading your post....


80 posted on 04/10/2013 1:48:56 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: DBrow

And it is wrong. If you can’t release a person back into society being reasonably sure that he will not commit another crime, then you haven’t kept him locked up long enough.At one time, I believe, in some states, when a man was released, his saddle and gun(s) were given back to him.Debt is paid.


81 posted on 04/10/2013 1:50:07 PM PDT by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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82 posted on 04/10/2013 1:50:24 PM PDT by onyx
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To: xzins
B T T T ! ! ! ©

83 posted on 04/10/2013 1:51:19 PM PDT by onyx
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To: xzins

Today it’s gun rights => now that they have your medical records everything else will cascade.

Tomorrow it’s your parental rights, 1st Amendment rights (Internet ID), 4th Amendment Right.


84 posted on 04/10/2013 2:13:24 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Pat Toomey rode the TEA party coattail to come up with this legislation with Manchin (D-WV). That’s the real crime.

Exactly! Pat Toomey also had dinner at a posh restaurant with Dear Leader while Rand and Cruz were filibustering.

NOT IMPRESSED WITH TOOMEY!

Seems like a Traitor, Toomey.

85 posted on 04/10/2013 2:28:04 PM PDT by Jane Long (Background checks? Dandy idea, Mr. President. Shoulda started with yours. - Sarah Palin)
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To: Nevermore

A God-given right not protected is a God-given right conceeded.

Ask your local newspaper reporter if s/he would be willing to submit to a government devised annual journalism test and credential registration.


86 posted on 04/10/2013 2:40:16 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (*Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

I still remember the bumper stickers that said “Defend Firearms. Support Specter” that the NRA distributed here in PA.

Toomey is home free until 2016. He hopes to rebuild cred on other issues to divert from this in the meantime.

Toomey will speak at something called the Pennsylvania Leadership Conference, a conservative CPAC type thing in the Harrisburg area on the weekend of April 19-20.

That event would probably be a good place for a large picket line.


87 posted on 04/10/2013 2:44:53 PM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE MY DREAMS)
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To: Nevermore; All

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3006374/posts

Police found a person who’d licensed and registered their guns, who according to an MD report was taking antidepressants.


88 posted on 04/10/2013 2:59:52 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: xzins

“The NRA is about action.”

*******

By “action,” you mean endorsing Harry Reid for re-election in exchange for taxpayers being looted to pay for a gun range?

By “action,” you mean useless branding by sponsoring a NASCAR race?

By “action,” you mean using donations to build a direct marketing operation that simply solicits more donations (like the RNC)?

Or is there some other “action” that they do that’s worth more than a warm bucket of spit?


89 posted on 04/10/2013 3:11:21 PM PDT by peyton randolph (FUBO and his wookie beard)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

And Toomey also supported getting rid of DADT.


90 posted on 04/10/2013 3:28:02 PM PDT by Windy City Conservative
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To: Windy City Conservative

And Toomey also supported the Obama tax increases. His ACU rating must be dropping like a rock.


91 posted on 04/10/2013 3:40:34 PM PDT by littleharbour ("All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree. ~ James Madison)
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To: Bryanw92
Universal background checks requires universal registration.

There are a number of ways that rules could be written to require background checks to be performed on firearm sales without allowing any new sale-related information to flow to the government, but that wouldn't solve a more important danger with background checks: they make it much easier for the government to arbitrarily deny individuals' rights to keep and bear arms without any sort of due process. I think the latter point is probably a more effective argument, given that gun grabbers don't say they want registration lists to facilitate confiscation, but they have openly expressed their desire to disarm people who are not even suspected (much less convicted!) of any crime nor been ruled mentally incompetent by due process of law.

92 posted on 04/10/2013 3:56:47 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: supercat

>>There are a number of ways that rules could be written to require background checks to be performed on firearm sales without allowing any new sale-related information to flow to the government

But how would the government be able to know that a background check was done if it doesn’t know where the guns are in the first place? The gummint loves its metrics!

>> but that wouldn’t solve a more important danger with background checks: they make it much easier for the government to arbitrarily deny individuals’ rights to keep and bear arms without any sort of due process.

They could do that now since all dealer sales require a background check. To say that expanded checks would catch the people who can’t pass a background check now and have to go to private sales actually supports the anti-gun crowd’s assertion that unchecked private sales supply guns to people who shouldn’t own them.


93 posted on 04/10/2013 5:46:54 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: DBrow

do you have a list of states and the various categories. I’m in PA and a relative by marriage is a felon now a minister. interesting to know if he could purchase legally ( lawfully)


94 posted on 04/10/2013 6:56:18 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: alstewartfan

i lived in bloomsburg in 1978-80 and went to and had booths at the fair. Del Ziesloft(sp) killed an 600-800? lb bear that year. during the minor flood my trailer was parked on the bridge to fishtown. nice memories. move the trailer up om the mountain after that.


95 posted on 04/10/2013 7:15:22 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: Nevermore

It will be nothing more than a national gun registry, a handy tool when the SHTF for confiscation..


96 posted on 04/10/2013 7:42:26 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Constitution? What Constitution?)
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To: green iguana

Joe is a country boy who is basically conservative because he was raised that way. Problem with Joe in D.C. is he is naive. It’s not hard for the slick democRATs to bamboozle him. He understood politics WV style and he could honestly say he was pro-life, pro-second, anti-tax, conservative and get elected as a D. WV democrats are usually not your liberal types. The party got a foothold 100 years ago, along with the unions and they have intrenched in Charleston to the exclusion of the rest of WV. They control the money and the unions control them. It’s been a relationship that has produced the same kind of followers that the national party has: welfare takers and union thugs. The good people are on their own trying to work hard, be honest and love God.


97 posted on 04/10/2013 7:43:41 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: kvanbrunt2

http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=286

http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2012/08/how-to-restore-gun-rights-after-a-felony.html

This should help you find search terms for your state.


98 posted on 04/10/2013 8:12:53 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: WVNan

Thank you for the insight. Here in Texas, we used to have a lot of Democrats like that also, just without the union influence. But in the past 20 years or so, most have them have become Republicans.


99 posted on 04/11/2013 5:46:26 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: DBrow

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Free Republic is full of longterm moles, stealth happy horseshitters, and even DOJ paid “corrupt bastards” (Thanks Sarah Palin!) -

I recall a FR “Sidebar Poll” that asked FR members who they would pick for President -

18% picked Hillary Clinton -

When you post or read on FR you have no idea who is commenting and/or replying - or if they have the subhuman IQ of the alleged primate (Airball Opansy) occupying the Barack Hut now

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100 posted on 04/11/2013 5:55:15 AM PDT by devolve ( -- -- liberals secret fuel economy trick -- simply fill up your tires with propane --)
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