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NRA Fires Back: Gun rights group to oppose Manchin, Toomey background check bill
Washington Free Beacon ^ | April 10, 2013 | CJ Ciaramella

Posted on 04/10/2013 10:36:37 AM PDT by xzins

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“Expanding background checks at gun shows will not prevent the next shooting, will not solve violent crime and will not keep our kids safe in schools,” the NRA said.
1 posted on 04/10/2013 10:36:37 AM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins

MEMO to the NRA: In the past, you’ve ignorantly supported “pro gun” Democrats (as if such a thing were possible) like Reid and Manchin. So, are you ready to admit that this was a stoooopid flaccid attempt at faux bipartisanship now?

(crickets)


2 posted on 04/10/2013 10:39:15 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: xzins

So the NRA is going to oppose the bill, huh?

Are they also going to oppose Manchin and Toomey (and Reid, among others they’ve given money to) from here on out?


3 posted on 04/10/2013 10:39:25 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile has killed more people than my guns.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

The NRA’s support 2 cycles ago of Harry Reid was insane, and we all knew it was insane.

That doesn’t mean, however, that they can’t acquire big boy pants and finally figure out what’s going on.

They are right about this.

No amount of background checks will keep creeps, demons, and ne’er-do-wells from injuring lives with various kinds of weapon.

Witness the knifings yesterday.


4 posted on 04/10/2013 10:43:59 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

News flash: King Obama’s communists empire is action, NRA is talk and hope. Getting real pissed that the only group winning is the communists Democrats.


5 posted on 04/10/2013 10:45:40 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Arm_Bears

Let’s hope they’ve learned their lesson. Despite that recent history, they still are right about this legislation and this compromise.

And for those of us conservatives who fought for Toomey, one who was so “staunchly conservative”, we again have our eyes opened about a GOP politician.


6 posted on 04/10/2013 10:46:24 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
Hey NRA! You endorsed Rat Bastard Manchin. Twice. You gave Rat Bastard Manchin an "A" rating. Twice.

Got any comments on that?

Hmmmm?

7 posted on 04/10/2013 10:47:32 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: xzins
I hate to seem ignorant, but . . .
I'm as distrustful of government as anyone, but I am not clear on what makes these background checks dangerous.
I'm even willing to concede the point that it may not prevent any future havoc, "will not solve violent crime and will not keep our kids safe in schools," as the NRA puts it. Still, even if it's ineffective,what's the concern about it?
8 posted on 04/10/2013 10:47:45 AM PDT by Nevermore (...just a typical cracker, clinging to my Constitutional rights...)
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To: xzins

Pat Toomey rode the TEA party coattail to come up with this legislation with Manchin (D-WV). That’s the real crime.


9 posted on 04/10/2013 10:47:59 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Logical me

The NRA is about action.

I think they’re regaining their edge.

They have done a stellar job in the battle for gun rights since the Sandy Hook incident became a means of manipulation by the socialists.


10 posted on 04/10/2013 10:48:12 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Excellent statement! In fact,, the NRA compromised with the socialist to pass the first mandatory background checks on firearms and provided support for the 1994 assault weapons ban through “compromising” with the socialist! The NRA’s support of the 1994 assault weapons ban brought about numerous other 2nd amendment protection organizations to counter the NRA’s sellout to the socialist.
11 posted on 04/10/2013 10:48:14 AM PDT by PotatoChop (Respect is earned, not demanded by this out of control socialist government!)
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To: Nevermore
Registration, confiscation.
12 posted on 04/10/2013 10:49:20 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Nevermore
Still, even if it's ineffective,what's the concern about it?

1) Where, in the Constitution, is the Congress authorized to require a background check prior to purchasing a firearm?

2) Where, in the Constitution, is the Congress authorized to keep records of who has purchased what firearms and when the purchases occurred?

3) Leftists keeping records of firearm purchases inevitable leads to leftists attempting to steal those firearms.

4) What part of "shall not be infringed" is difficult to understand?

13 posted on 04/10/2013 10:50:41 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: xzins

“The NRA’s support 2 cycles ago of Harry Reid was insane, and we all knew it was insane.”

Quid pro quo for a multimillion dollar shooting range on Federal land.


14 posted on 04/10/2013 10:51:34 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Nevermore

So, you aren’t arguing that pointless legislation is something we should just allow.

Therefore, it’s the matter of danger that you’re failing to see.

Checks require submitting names.

Submitted names can be compiled into a list.

The US Government wants a list of every gun owner in the nation.

Why?


15 posted on 04/10/2013 10:51:57 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Nevermore

Because it opens the door to gun registration is why...


16 posted on 04/10/2013 10:52:01 AM PDT by dpetty121263
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To: xzins
I just called 3 of toomey's offices and no one answers.

What a COWARD.

17 posted on 04/10/2013 10:53:33 AM PDT by Post5203 (Please name me a sucessfull city or country run by a "person of color".)
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To: xzins

Why doesn’t Speaker Bohener nip this in the bud and say that any gun control bill is DOA in the House, like Reid has done numerous time with budget bills ?


18 posted on 04/10/2013 10:54:55 AM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: ArrogantBustard

“Got any comments on that?”

Like they say in the investments business, “Past performance does not guarantee future performance.”

The NRA’s ratings are given based on how legislators voted in the past. Manchin has a good history on gun rights, thus the A ratings. I fully expect his future rating to suffer from this.


19 posted on 04/10/2013 10:55:25 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: xzins
I keep hearing about the demand for gun control to prevent “felons” from acquiring firearms! Can someone please tell me which “felon” committed the tragedies in Newtown, Aurora or Tucson?

It does appear the socialist always use “felons” as a fall back push for more gun control because most gullible Americans will always support keeping firearms out of the hands of so called “felons” when in fact, the socialist are pushing legislation to prevent ownership, possession, and collection and eventual confiscation all firearms from “law abiding” Americans!!!!

Wake up America, they are coming for YOUR firearms, the use of “felons” has NOTHING to do with the latest gun control push and “Universal firearm Registry and Background checks” since “felons” cannot possess a firearm under current federal law!

20 posted on 04/10/2013 10:55:27 AM PDT by PotatoChop (Respect is earned, not demanded by this out of control socialist government!)
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To: green iguana
Check my State Flag, Texan!

Manchin has a good history on gun rights

No, he did not. Manchin had a nearly null history on gun rights; the issue doesn't come up much in WEST Virginia. The NRA chose to spin that as a 'good record', for whatever weird reasons, despite warnings from real WEST Virginians in WEST Virginia that the SOB Manchin was not to be trusted.

See? I TOLD YOU SO!!!

21 posted on 04/10/2013 10:59:04 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Nevermore

“but I am not clear on what makes these background checks dangerous.”

Suppose you once had a prescription for an antidepressant, mood elevator, or something like ambien. With Obamacare, the records are all shared. Since you may be dangerous (why else take those drugs?) you could be denied RKBA.

Let’s say we allow this to pass and find that five yeears from now it’s commonsense and reasonable to deny RKBA to repeat traffic offenders or those who missed a loan payment. No law gets looser with age.

In NY there is a dad who lost his license and guns “until his son turns 18 and moves out” because the kid said something threatening. So with a really good background check system, you could be denied RKBA for some condition or status someone in your house (or neighborhood) has.

Besides, what gives government the right to do this? The Constitution is a document whose major purpose is to restrict what governments can do, and it’s time to recover some of the ground lost.


22 posted on 04/10/2013 10:59:28 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: xzins

You would think Manchin and Toomey would have ASKED for the NRA’s input...


23 posted on 04/10/2013 11:01:49 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: xzins; harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...

24 posted on 04/10/2013 11:03:50 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

If the NRA restricted their endorsements to one party, their support would be worthless.

If that happened, gun owners would be in the same position as Blacks - one party takes you for granted and the other knows you are a lost cause.


25 posted on 04/10/2013 11:03:55 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (Those that vote for a living outnumber those that work for one.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
You would think Manchin and Toomey would have ASKED for the NRA’s input...

Why? Munchkin the Hack already has the endorsement and the "A" rating, and he isn't up for reelection until 2018. He's home free, and can let his inner leftist petty tyrant run wild.

26 posted on 04/10/2013 11:04:39 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: xzins
Idiotic CNN contributor explains evil NRA motivations
27 posted on 04/10/2013 11:05:46 AM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9
If the NRA restricted their endorsements to one party, their support would be worthless.

If the NRA restricted their endorsements to PROVEN pro-gun LEADERS (which Munchkin is not and never was) they wouldn't look like a bunch of feckless asshats.

28 posted on 04/10/2013 11:06:11 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Nevermore
“Background checks” is back door [registration], in example: You want to purchase a firearm, guess what you have to give the freddy’s on the paperwork for applying for the background check. This includes type of weapon, make, serial number of the weapon, there, you just “registered” that weapon for future confiscation with the federal government. In mission creep, this is what always happens when ever American surrender their constitutionally protected rights to the government, the federal government is setting up a “national firearms data base” to track all firearms in the United States. Lets say, you and another friend go out and have a couple of beers, someone believes you are being too loud and calls the cops, the cops write you and your friend minor tickets for disturbing the peace. Under the proposed law, the cops have to run you and your friends name through the new national firearms data base to find out if you have any firearms. If you do, the ATFE will come and take those firearms from you regardless of the crime, since now, the federal government can determine if you and your friend are “mentally” competent to possess a firearm. In fact, just recently, California arrested a man for possessing far too many firearms and ammunition and sent him for a mental evaluation!

The proposed background checks is nothing more than another step towards national control of every firearm in the United States. the socialist will sweeten the pot until they get enough RINO’s to support the proposed legislation and once it is adopted, then the real laws will be written to further restrict the use, possession and sale of firearms in the Country!

Keep in mind, there is nothing [dangerous] about a background check, it is what the government intends to do with the information they are collecting from these background checks that will ultimately be the danger to firearm ownership by law abiding Americans! Confiscation by attrition.

29 posted on 04/10/2013 11:07:50 AM PDT by PotatoChop (Respect is earned, not demanded by this out of control socialist government!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Definitely Toomey, a supposed conservative republican.

Manchin always has been a chameleon and always will be. I live close enough to WVa to know that a democrat is still a democrat, even in WVa. So, every 4 years, they have to become “conservatives”.

And we let them get away with it.


30 posted on 04/10/2013 11:10:43 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Nevermore

This puts the government smack in the middle of one of your God-given, self evident, inalienable rights. It’s as bad as them deciding if you qualify to go to a particular church.


31 posted on 04/10/2013 11:11:43 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: PotatoChop
You want to purchase a firearm, guess what you have to give the freddy’s on the paperwork for applying for the background check. This includes type of weapon, make, serial number of the weapon, there, you just “registered” that weapon for future confiscation with the federal government.

Not to mention your name, address, phone number ... and your social security number if you expect to get an answer within 30 minutes.

32 posted on 04/10/2013 11:13:54 AM PDT by dartuser (My firearm is not illegal ... its undocumented.)
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To: PotatoChop

If a felon is no danger, hence being let out of prison, he/she should be allowed to own a fire arm. If they are a danger, they should be in jail. No law will stop them from having a firearm. I know you know all this. I just wanted to add it.


33 posted on 04/10/2013 11:15:50 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Nevermore
You'll find some information here: (JPFO - Innocents Betrayed)

http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/ib.htm

34 posted on 04/10/2013 11:16:45 AM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: MileHi
Registration, confiscation.

Think you meant Registration = confiscation.

We are already there....

ATF Death Watch 148: Lies, Damned Lies and Federal Gun Registries
35 posted on 04/10/2013 11:18:47 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: ArrogantBustard

From the NRA-PVF:

“While serving in the United States Senate, Joe Manchin signed a bipartisan letter opposing any international treaty by the United Nations or any other global organization that would impose restrictions on American gun owners. Manchin also cosponsored S. 2188, “The National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act,” which would have ensured that law-abiding Americans with a valid concealed handgun permit would have been able to carry a concealed handgun in any other state that does not prohibit concealed carry. In addition, Manchin cosponsored S. 570, a bill that would prevent the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives from circumventing the will of Congress by centralizing records of thousands of Americans’ long gun purchases.

As Governor of West Virginia, Manchin signed state “Castle Doctrine” legislation to restore the right to self-defense in a person’s home and property. He also signed state legislation to increase reciprocity for West Virginia Right-to-Carry permit holders.”

He may not have a long record, but none of these, FROM THE PAST, sound bad.


36 posted on 04/10/2013 11:21:37 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: demshateGod
You hit the nail on the head. The socialist using “felons” simply to gin up emotional support for taking Americans firearms from them.

I always understood that once an American has served their time, paid their debt to society, they cannot be denied their basic Constitutional protections. Evidently, the socialist believe that no matter how long ago you served your time, your debt has not been paid, and with every new law, you must be forced to pay your debt to society again, again, and again. So long as the socialist keep moving their agenda forward with the support of Americans!

Thanks!

37 posted on 04/10/2013 11:23:45 AM PDT by PotatoChop (Respect is earned, not demanded by this out of control socialist government!)
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Manchin’s office told BuzzFeed Wednesday that the senators had been talking with the NRA, but the Second Amendment group had thus far remained “neutral.”

Liars. They knew damned well this would never fly with the NRA.

38 posted on 04/10/2013 11:26:31 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: xzins

Don’t get me wrong, I generally support the NRA - and I don’t expect any person or any group to be perfect (I know, that makes me an UNFreeper) - but I do reserve the right to criticize when they are not being smart, and by supporting Democrats - which they do simply to try and prove something to the idiots in the media - they are screwing up.


39 posted on 04/10/2013 11:28:10 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: xzins

What part of this do they not understand:

“Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”


40 posted on 04/10/2013 11:29:07 AM PDT by Bobby_Taxpayer
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To: SecondAmendment
Why doesn’t Speaker Bohener nip this in the bud and say

No, it's the Senate's mess for now...let them take the heat.

As soon as Boehner steps in the spotlight goes from Reid to Boehner. Boehner had enough spotlight in the last 4 years with Reid NEVER getting any attention.

Time for the Senate to take some pressure and DON'T diffuse it!

41 posted on 04/10/2013 11:29:28 AM PDT by what's up
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To: xzins

NRA should back a primary challenger to Toomey.

That would get his attention.


42 posted on 04/10/2013 11:29:47 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: PotatoChop

“I always understood that once an American has served their time, paid their debt to society, they cannot be denied their basic Constitutional protections.”

There are some states where this is automatic, and some states that require the felon to go through a judge and a process by which their rights are restored. And some states say “never” when it comes to firearms.


43 posted on 04/10/2013 11:30:09 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: NY.SS-Bar9

The NRA gave equal support to the Democrat who was running against Coburn in OK. We stopped giving them any money afeter that and have since joined Gun Owners of America.


44 posted on 04/10/2013 11:31:19 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: green iguana
OOooohhhh ... wow. Cosponsored a couple of going nowhere boob-bait bills. Signed a letter. Signed legislation that he would have been CRUCIFIED for vetoing. Real LEADERSHIP there.

NOT.

Guess what, Sparky? I already knew that. I LIVE here. I read NRA's disgusting, over the top, breathless endorsement in my copy of American Rifleman.

I voted against Rat Bastard Manchin anyway.

Maybe NRA should pay some attention to folks who live in the states where these smarmy bastards come from, instead of sitting in their NoVA Ivory Tower deciding what looks good on paper.

45 posted on 04/10/2013 11:32:48 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Cheerio

Thanks


46 posted on 04/10/2013 11:37:06 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: ArrogantBustard

That might be nice, but unfortunately, the paper record is all they have to go on, as limited as it is. The record is fact. Opinions vary.


47 posted on 04/10/2013 11:38:01 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: xzins

Although I have my issue with the NRA (I’m a member), it has a top-notch PR team that really knows how to frame the debate. If only our so-called Republican leadership had the will and stomach to do the same. The debate should not be about gun control;, but about violence that from a statistical standoint is epidemic in certain segments of our population.


48 posted on 04/10/2013 11:38:38 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: green iguana
A weak paper record like that is no basis for a glowing endorsement.

Seriously ... a national organization like NRA should not put its credibility on the line without good reason. There's absolutely no reason for them to issue an endorsement in every or any particular election. There are lots of good reasons for them NOT to do so ... biggest one is that a poorly placed endorsement, like Manchin (for example) makes them look like complete idiots when it (predictably) blows up in their faces.

Don't try to defend the indefensible. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

NRA should be ashamed of itself.

49 posted on 04/10/2013 11:47:57 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Logical me
King Obama’s communists empire is...
50 posted on 04/10/2013 11:50:07 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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