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Senators to announce background check deal (11am presser Manchin and Toomey)
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Posted on 04/10/2013 5:23:52 AM PDT by Perdogg

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To: sickoflibs

I do not know why I bother to post anything, no one reads anything I have to say except for you.


51 posted on 04/10/2013 6:39:50 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz, Sen Mike Lee, and Sen Rand Paul are my adoptive Senators)
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To: Perdogg

The background check for my Mosin took 7 days.


52 posted on 04/10/2013 6:40:34 AM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: from occupied ga

Well, that’s just it-they’re “so-called” conservatives. Regarding FR, the definition of what is considered conservative (and which I agree with) is right there for anyone to see.

Regarding libertarians, yes, they’re good on smaller government. I part ways with them on social issues. For instance, I can never ever agree that anyone has a right to make a “choice” to murder their unborn child. One might as well say that people had a right to choose to be slaveholders.


53 posted on 04/10/2013 6:41:36 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Perdogg

I would not put it past the GOP-E to cave. Their track record for courage is nil. Ditto principle.


54 posted on 04/10/2013 6:43:02 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: NKP_Vet

Exactly! Why just give them the means to tyrannise you?


55 posted on 04/10/2013 6:43:10 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Perdogg

BS. People need to be PISSED and to FRET and to get MAD, and to protest vigorously AND HOLD THEM ALL ACCOUNTABLE. Stamp Act circa 1772 MAD.


56 posted on 04/10/2013 6:51:32 AM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: sickoflibs
There should be nothing to propose here. Period.

Toomey is from the most pro-gun state north of the Mason-Dixon Line. He does not need to do this for political reasons. He's just succumbing to the Beltway Flu early in his Senatorial career.

57 posted on 04/10/2013 6:55:04 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Perdogg

I went to a gun shop yesterday. Madhouse. This shop is perhaps the highest rated in the state. Reminded me of the Fenway T station after a Sox game. It was, literally, impossible to move, with a line out the door. They had advertised a Ruger rifle online and I managed to get the last one of the basic model. The staff couldn’t move for the jam and had to wait in corners behind the counter until someone else moved, like those little puzzles in which you move small plastic squares until you get one square from one point to another after moving all the others out of the way. It took 50 minutes to buy anything. Ammo was mostly sold-out. Used firearms were three times the price of a year ago. Obama is the best gun salesman in US history. It was an hour of getting your feet stepped on and being jostled about. The parking lot was overflowing into an adjacent one of a printing company. Will be interesting to see the public response if Obama gets his gun-grab through Congress.


58 posted on 04/10/2013 6:55:37 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Perdogg

p.s. And we can all put to rest the fantasy of the pro-gun, conservative Democrat, thanks to Manchin.


59 posted on 04/10/2013 6:56:44 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: ScottinVA

Toomey is a turn coat and needs recalled. Talks the conservative talk but dances with the libtards.


60 posted on 04/10/2013 7:09:39 AM PDT by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: dirtboy; Perdogg
RE :”Toomey is from the most pro-gun state north of the Mason-Dixon Line. “

Maybe in 1994 but PA has changed to left much since then (they are moving West) and in 2004 they booted Santorum ~ 10 years ago. Its pretty liberal now as Obama’s victory gives evidence.

More than that it may look like the filibuster team didnt do their job to court enough others in the Senate GOP to join them, maybe pre-emptively declaring they will filibuster any bill no matter whats in it wasnt the greatest idea for stopping this.

I want to see whats in the bill. I want to see how Dems react to it.

61 posted on 04/10/2013 7:12:09 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Perdogg
This is the beginning of a National Gun Registry. Mark my words.
Obama will use a “State of Emergency” and Executive Order to merge the background checks into a database.
62 posted on 04/10/2013 7:29:00 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: sickoflibs

The Bill does not allow the govt to keep records, only dealers. The Bill would apply only to gun sales through “paid advertisements”, not “Friends or neighbors”.

Even if the filibuster worked, Reid was going to circumvent it. I cannot see liberal dems supporting the Manchin Bill without amendments, amendments that would expose redstate Dems to problems, and in the end, kill the Bill. It is a lose-lose for the Dems.


63 posted on 04/10/2013 7:30:50 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz, Sen Mike Lee, and Sen Rand Paul are my adoptive Senators)
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To: pabianice

Well, instead of buying guns that are going to be confiscated and their use criminalized — they should be buying pitchforks and heading for the streets.


64 posted on 04/10/2013 7:33:33 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: Perdogg
“The Bill does not allow the govt to keep records, only dealers.”

That's until Obama declares a “State of Emergency” and then signs an Executive Order forcing ALL gun sellers to turn over their records, including from gun shows.

65 posted on 04/10/2013 7:33:57 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

and when a dealer closes the federal government takes over the records.

The beltway thinks citizens are really stupid.

This is taxation with representation...

Tyrany by rule of low info voter.


66 posted on 04/10/2013 7:39:31 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Perdogg
Sen. Pat Toomey, a conservative Pennsylvania Republican  turncoat, a subverter of the Constitution, another beltway whore !


Never another dime to the Gutless Ornamental Pussies

67 posted on 04/10/2013 7:53:00 AM PDT by tomkat (-liberty or death-)
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To: sickoflibs

             


Blue = Fraud3

68 posted on 04/10/2013 7:56:29 AM PDT by tomkat (-liberty or death-)
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To: pabianice
.. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass

(attributed to) Isoroku Yamamoto

69 posted on 04/10/2013 8:03:07 AM PDT by tomkat (-liberty or death-)
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To: ScottinVA

The purpose of Pat Toomey is to make Rick Santorum look better and better.


70 posted on 04/10/2013 8:08:27 AM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: sickoflibs

PA is still staunchly pro-gun. Santorum got booted because he got too Beltway-tized. Looks like Toomey is on his way to that condition as well.


71 posted on 04/10/2013 8:16:42 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: mrsmel

They will. The NRA was turned, so will the GOA be someday.


72 posted on 04/10/2013 8:19:55 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Perdogg

Is there a link to the bill, or a bill number?


73 posted on 04/10/2013 8:22:58 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Perdogg

All I needed to know about Pat Toomey I learned the night of the Rand Paul filibuster. While other R Senators took their turn at microphone giving long, drawn out, anecdotal questions that went on and on (giving Sen. Paul a breather) my “conservative” Senator, Pat Toomey, hurried thru what seemed to less than a one minute query—so quick was his question that when the camera went back on Rand Paul he looked stunned (like, “come on...that’s all you got?).

I pointed that out on the live FR thread (gee, he seems awfully hurried!) when it was revealed that Turncoat Toomey was one of the Senators “dining w/Soetaro” that night...and that he was rushing for his “date” a few of PA FReepers were slammed for challenging Toomey’s trustworthiness BECAUSE Toomey has the highest conservative rating in the Senate, blah blah blah.

So Toomey’s “high conservative rating” means about as much as Manchin’s “NRA A rating.” NOTHING!!! As they both are writing legislation supporting exactly what they both have been endorsed to support.

Maybe after another “romantic dinner with Dear Leader these two heavily “endorsed” Senators can get together and finish off the coal industry


74 posted on 04/10/2013 8:33:02 AM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom ( Mourning in America.)
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To: Perdogg

Well I just watched their little presser and the bill they want to pass basically is nothing more than what we already have in place. Unless there is a little paragraph in there they are not telling us about.

Internet sales already require a background check as do gun show sales so maybe they are doing this just to shut the left up. If so I will also shut up. I’m still waiting to hear what Rand Paul and Ted Cruz say about it.


75 posted on 04/10/2013 8:35:13 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Perdogg
i think the sooner they pass this the better.
76 posted on 04/10/2013 8:46:45 AM PDT by Drawn7979
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To: SoFloFreeper
THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS CLEAR!

Yes it is. But even our side get's it wrong. My right to bear arms isn't GIVEN to me by the 2nd Amendment. The right to protect myself, my family and my liberties are those inalienable rights. The 2nd Amendment is a restriction on government. We need to force the re-framing of the discussion.

77 posted on 04/10/2013 8:47:41 AM PDT by voicereason (The RNC is the "One-night stand" you wish you could forget.)
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To: Perdogg; sickoflibs

“...no one reads anything I have to say...”

I wouldn’t say that.

I’m reading it....and be sure that others are too.

I think what it comes down to is that people are just frustrated and freaked right now about all of the power grabs these arschlochs in DC are attempting...and they’re simply venting.

Let’s see what this “compromise” is first... then go into Plan A, B, or C mode as necessary.

Guy from Judicial Watch was on the radio this morning, saying basically that whatever Fed level gun control is introduced, it will be DOA in the House.

The State level is the real threat; they’re distracting us with the Fed crap while going hardcore through the States (NJ, NY, CT, CO, etc.).


78 posted on 04/10/2013 9:01:37 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Perdogg

I don’t want crazies or criminals owning guns but I don’t want the government having a registry of all gun owners which is what background checks amount to. Moreover, since criminals and crazies will find a way to get a gun regardless of the background checks — i.e., they’ll just steal one from somebody — the expansion of background checks upon more law-abiding Americans is just another creeping step of Big Brother into our lives.


79 posted on 04/10/2013 9:07:39 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: voicereason

I heard Manchin and turncoat Toomey give their press conference. Manchin said any person that had been “adjudicated” as having a mental problem will be denied
a gun if they try and buy one. What in the the hell is that supposed to mean? Any veteran that fought for his country and is now suffering from any mental disorder will be denied the right to protect himself and his family??? Any veteran that the Veteran’s Administration says has PTSD will now be monitored and tracked like he’s a damn criminal. This is BS of the first degree. Hell no to any law that says a veteran can not own a weapon. These worthless politicians, most of which never served a day in the defense of this country, now telling real patriots they are not trusted with a weapon and will be treated like a common criminal? The worthless bastards, every damn one of them.


80 posted on 04/10/2013 9:09:07 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("The only glory in war is surviving")
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To: SW6906
Damn good question.

Libtards are always focused on stuff, not criminals.

The TSA is the poster child. They will confiscate knitting needles from grandmothers while ushering a Muzzie terrorist to the front of the line.

81 posted on 04/10/2013 9:16:08 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Perdogg

Internet sales? I don’t believe you can buy a gun on the internet without going through a dealer. Have I been missing something or is some legislator or perhaps a reporter ignorant?


82 posted on 04/10/2013 9:33:12 AM PDT by lrdg
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To: SW6906
The NRA is against it:

Statement from the National Rifle Association Regarding Toomey-Manchin Background Check Proposal

83 posted on 04/10/2013 9:34:40 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Perdogg

What I am afraid of more than Background checks is expensive permits, licenses, taxes on firearms. What they will do is make firearms so expensive, half of the people could’nt afford to keep firearms. That to me is a direct violation of 2nd Amendment.

The 1st Amendment does not have any restrictions, taxes, permits. Why should the 2nd Amendment have restrictions.


84 posted on 04/10/2013 9:53:11 AM PDT by entropy12 (The republic is doomed cuz people have figured out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: SW6906
Excellent point!
This point should be loudly proclaimed by the NRA and gun supporters everywhere, because many neutral folks are in favor of background checks.
85 posted on 04/10/2013 9:53:17 AM PDT by expat2
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Yes, but if the Dems start adding amendments to it...


86 posted on 04/10/2013 9:59:27 AM PDT by expat2
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To: voicereason
Excellent point!
We must not fall into the trap of using the Dems' fraudulent paradigm.
87 posted on 04/10/2013 10:00:48 AM PDT by expat2
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To: Perdogg

it’s hard for me to see why background checks are so bad to be honest.

But, simply for the potential of abuse I oppose expanded checks.

That said, any bill would be significantly changed in the House. No need to freak out about the Senate.


88 posted on 04/10/2013 10:39:34 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: NFHale; Perdogg; Gilbo_3
RE :"Guy from Judicial Watch was on the radio this morning, saying basically that whatever Fed level gun control is introduced, it will be DOA in the House.'

The Boehner house??? I wouldnt count on that. The same House that passed VAWA this year with added protections for gays and illegals (wimmin)??
In fact months ago I remember Gilb showing me a post where Ryan said he is for enhancing background checks.

As a general rule it depends on how many vote for it in Senate. If only 51 pass it then Bohner might ignore it, if 65 or 70 pass it in Senate it will be on Os desk.

89 posted on 04/10/2013 10:51:53 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Perdogg; NFHale
RE :”I do not know why I bother to post anything, no one reads anything I have to say except for you.”

HA-Ha, That beats getting called names :)

This one is dangerous because enhancing background checks is the most popular proposal they have, shows up in polls as >90%.

And the other side is really turning up the heat keeping those victim parents on camera looking sad and upset, even though a background check wouldnt have stopped that shooting..

Of course I also saw a poll where 5% say its their most important issue.

Wait till amnesty.

90 posted on 04/10/2013 11:02:05 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs; NFHale; Perdogg
where Ryan said he is for enhancing background checks. As a general rule it depends on how many vote for it in Senate. If only 51 pass it then Bohner might ignore it, if 65 or 70 pass it in Senate it will be on Os desk.

ryan and most of em will go along with *enhanced* background checks, as the nra/lapierre talking point has been the lack of *enforcement* of the laws on the books for years...and its for the children, ya know... i bought into that line of bs back in the late 90s, and read waynes 'guns,crime and freedom' [still have it on the shelf] with an attitude of that being a good argument...

we'll get the old 'if you havent done anything wrong, you have nothing to fear from a background check' spew from the rin-o-ps, and boner will trade us away for 36 holes and a bottle of cheap scotch...

91 posted on 04/10/2013 11:07:44 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: entropy12

This is exactly the problem, and just like everything else these communist bastards do, the average person will be unable to afford it yet the rich left will easilty afford security or guns. These pigs are all about taxing people into the gutter.


92 posted on 04/10/2013 11:51:39 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: rwfromkansas

as someone else said the expense and burden of getting a gun will now have only the elite with the means to defend themselves.

Screw these tyrannical bastards. this a a money and power grab.
I can’t believe this tbh.


93 posted on 04/10/2013 11:54:07 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: snarkytart

The cost is getting ridiculous. Don’t own a gun, but after shooting my brother’s AR-15 at Thanksgiving in the country, I admit....I want.

Too blasted expensive, especially paying off some recent medical bills.

I hope the prices will come down, but demand just keeps going up as they debate more bills. If something passes, don’t see the prices suddenly dropping.....


94 posted on 04/10/2013 12:04:57 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: Gilbo_3; sickoflibs; NFHale; Perdogg

” boner will trade us away for 36 holes and a bottle of cheap scotch..”

Wish it wasn’t FACT,but it is.


95 posted on 04/10/2013 1:56:49 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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96 posted on 04/10/2013 1:57:31 PM PDT by onyx
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To: Perdogg

Manchin is a low-life POS. But then we all knew he is a democrat. Toomey is a lower form of life. One can only hope that neither of them ever again holds public office.


97 posted on 04/11/2013 10:29:47 AM PDT by alarm rider (Basically, we are toast.)
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To: bt-99
I have been sending Toomey e-mails for weeks asking him not to do this. I told him I don't understand how a man who claims to be for less government and economic freedom could do this. I told him i was sick of Republicans betraying us. I have met him, shook his hand, put up his signs, sent him money.If he does this I AM DONE WITH HIM FOR EVER.I WILL NOT SUPPORT ANOTHER ARLEN SPECTOR IN PENNSYLVANIA.

Amen!

98 posted on 04/11/2013 11:14:21 AM PDT by Old_Grouch (65 and AARP-free. Monthly FR contributor.)
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To: Perdogg

The House should pass legislation requiring grade schools to practice security protocols twice monthly.


99 posted on 04/11/2013 11:18:30 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: Joe Brower
None dare call it treason.

It's treason.

100 posted on 04/17/2013 9:34:32 AM PDT by archy
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