Skip to comments.Toronto dad upset he's not allowed to watch daughter's swim class
Posted on 04/10/2013 4:10:43 AM PDT by NYer
When in Muslim countries, you must conform your behavior to Muslim sensibilities. When in non-Muslim countries, you must conform your behavior to Muslim sensibilities. "Toronto dad upset he's not allowed to watch daughter's swim class," by Jenny Yuen for the Toronto Sun, April 6 (thanks to all who sent this in):
TORONTO - When a single dad signed his nine-year-old daughter up for female-only swim lessons, he didnt realize he as a man was going to be banned from watching her practice.
Chris (who didnt want his last name published) was shocked when he had the blinds to the viewing area of the Dennis R. Timbrell Recreation Centre pool in Flemingdon Park shut on him and then was told by staffers it was for religious reasons.
I spoke to a staff member and she told me that its because of Muslim women, that were not allowed to look at them or whatever, Chris, 38, told the Toronto Sun Friday. I dont think religion has a role to play in a public pool.
Chris said he enrolled his daughter online through the citys website and registered her for the Ultra Swim 1: Female class a nine-week course offered for free at the community centre.
Nowhere on the form did it mention that males could not watch the lessons.
So, when he showed up with his child at the pool on March 28 and again on Thursday night, he was confused when told he wasnt allowed to watch.
She doesnt have a lot of friends and I wanted her to swim with girls, Chris explained. I dont know what parent wouldnt want to watch their child participate. There were other fathers there who werent too happy.
Local Councillor John Parker hadnt heard of the particular case until the Sun contacted him Friday, but said the dads point is a legitimate one and raises a fair issue.
If we have a young child and there is a desire for the parent to provide supervision I would hope that we would not be so inflexible, he said.
The Ward 26-Don Valley West councillor said there are only so many hours available in the pool.
So we have to decide and we have to determine just what are the options that are available to us and how many hours are there in the day to allow the different options that communities want, Parker said. So far the pressure has been to provide hours for women only, this gives rise to the legitimate question: ought we to find time for mixed groups precisely to accommodate the concern that this parent has raised.
Female-only swim programs began 20 years ago on the basis of accommodating cultural and religious practices and requirements, confirmed city aquatics manager Anne Jackson.
Without a female-only program, there would be women that wouldnt be able to participate in swimming, Jackson said. This is the way it needs to be in order to accommodate the programs. Were not opening the door to one cultural group only this is all females were accommodating.
Late last month, Dennis R. Timbrell began a male-only swim course where only men could watch from the sidelines no moms. The program bred from the same religious/cultural reasons, Jackson said.
If any parents wish to watch their child who is enrolled in a female or male-only swim class, they would have to move them to a mixed boys/girls class that runs three days a week.
The weekly gender-specific swim classes are open to anyone from two to 18, but Jackson said the city wont consider separating existing classes into younger age groups (that would allow parents of the opposite sex to be present) because it wouldnt accommodate the needs of the majority of people who want to participate in a girls-only program....
thanks for the photo ... looks somewhat like a smurf.
Quality time for a father to bond with his daughter and primitive, false prophet addicted Muslims ruin it. How many Muslims are paying taxes to pay for this swimming pool compared to the non-Muslims who have no hangup with father/daughter time at the pool.
I’ll bet this pool is not in a Muzz neighborhood and that very few Muzz are paying (taxes) for it
Death to Islam
You have the wrong villain. The real problem is the government that inflicts this crap on the rest of the population at the behest of the muslims. The tail is once again wagging the dog, and the government is forcing it to so so. If the government said no to the muslims as readily as it said no to the christians there wouldn't be a problem.
But if he were gay, he could watch the little boys swim class.
People are terrified that every heterosexual man is just waiting to abuse little girls, but they reject the notion altogether that homosexual men might abuse little boys.
The real problem here is that you're seeing the failure of multiculturalism in its entirety -- and it's total incompatibility with any social/political system that is predicated on massive government oversight and involvement in matters. The problem isn't Islam ... the problem is the whole idea of a public swimming pool -- and the abject idiocy of a municipal government in which taxpayers actually foot the bill for a person called the "city aquatics manager."
We’re talking about Toronto - they’re coming out of the woodwork up here. Every neighbourhood is populated to some degree with them - Canada is rolling over and playing dead for them, city by city.
I’ve never seen such intimidation on such a large scale as what is going on concerning muslims. We even arrange our seating in our classrooms to appease them - a girl must not have a boy on either side, in front, or behind her. We’re nuts.
Mohammedans destroy civilisation.
Looks like John F’n Kerry touring the Kennedy Space Center in 2004.
These would be the same fools who have absolutely no problem telling you why prayer in school or Christmas displays in the public square can't be tolerated.
What's wrong with that?
I'd be pretty annoyed. I've taken my kids to swimming lessons. Not only do I want to be there for supervision and their safety but to monitor their progress.
However, it seems that under the circumstances I would merely have asked to shift my daughter to the mixed boys/girls class.
Understand that “multiculturalism” is just a facade over anti-Christianity.
That’s because they aren’t hypocrites, really.
They may LIE about their beliefs,
but their beliefs are entirely consistently anti-Christian.
If you look at it from that angle, they start to make more sense.
Yes. That's nuts.
I agree - kind of my thoughts, but you stated it better than I did.
Yes. The suffocating, mindless herd mentality of so-called "liberals" (there's nothing liberal about them) makes any sane person want to scream for unadulterated truth--desperate for any place where people can just be truthful!
Are these people morons?
Are they so in love with their collective illusions as to be blinded by them? Yes. That's it. And God help us! They are in control of North America!
Get used to it... "religion", i.e. submission to muslim increasing muslim demands, is a fact of life in Canada and in parts of the U.S.
As muslims continue to usurp power up there, it'll be interesting to see how they and the homosexual community will coexist.
Maybe they should add a lead lining so that infidels with x-ray glasses can’t see through the suits.
I’m in agreement that parents should be have enough access to monitor their kids’ activities. However . . .
The argument that this keeps Dad from having “quality time” with his daughter is silly. She’s in the water, for crying out loud. Surely he wasn’t planning to jump in with her.
He can spend quality time with her before and after. Car rides are great places for conversation.
If she’s in class for instruction, she needs to be paying attention to the teacher, not Dad. Does he go to school with her, too?
The idea of older men watching pre-pubescent girls at the pool is actually kinda creepy. Dad just needs to take a book with him and let the kid swim.
“The idea of older men watching pre-pubescent girls at the pool is actually kinda creepy.”
Your premise is in need of revision.
You imply the visual presence of adult males at their daughter’s swimming class is a prurient sexual situation.
Also, please be so kind as to omit articles authored by, the whirling eyed droolers from the assorted religious extremist sects of whatever faith.
” The problem isn’t Islam ... the problem is the whole idea of a public swimming pool — and the abject idiocy of a municipal government in which taxpayers actually foot the bill for a person called the “city aquatics manager.””
Well, this is a local government, they can run a swimming pool if that is what the local populace wants. I don’t see anything wrong with that. You can certainly argue there is a public interest in the public being able to learn how to swim, since it is a pretty basic and invaluable skill in life.
You forget that Catholics won't burn your house down, blow up your car or chop your head off if you say Jesus wasn't the Son of God.
Have some sympathy for the hypocrites.
Vote NO to Islam - always. Get the truth at www.politicalislam.com
As a dad of only girls, it is always a shock to my system to encounter unexpected roadblocks in my daughters' extracurricular activities that I just don't expect. I can't take a lunch to my daughter at her dance recital, because there are other girls also in the room with her, presumably also eating their lunches. I fail to see how being in the presence of a room of prepubescent girls should somehow be forbidden for all fathers. Neither the situation nor the girls are sexual in any way, except for that implied by the policy itself.
Even the act of dropping her off and picking her up from dance sometimes grants me suspicious looks askance from instructors and mothers.
I suppose the policies are in the general interest of the girls at large, or are at least intended to be so, and therefore intended to be also in the general interest of my daughter. But when I look at any other dads treated the same way, I don't see predators - I simply see the fathers of my daughter's friends.
Perhaps I am naive, or perhaps I am rightly, deeply offended at the presumption of guilt simply because I happen to be the father of girls.
Always vote NO to Islam. Get the truth at www.politicalislam.com.
“Perhaps I am naive, or perhaps I am rightly, deeply offended at the presumption of guilt simply because I happen to be the father of girls.”
Naive, probably. Have you not learned that in the Age of Wymon, all males are considered to be potential rapists, beaters of females, ad nauseam.
Thanks to the FemiNazi Movement, presumption of innocence for males has been removed in favor of presumption of guilt. In the instant case, “Prove you are not seeing those girls as sex objects!”
Negative proofs being impossible (and the Commie/FemiNazis who caused those laws to be passed KNEW it was an impossible burden), a male now is in the unconstitutional position of having to prove his innocence.
I refuse all business with Libtards and FemiNazi’s. They are well demonstrated “vexations to the spirit”.
For many years, I would visit the beaches along the Adriatic coast of Italy. A few years ago, I read an article about one of those beaches that, due to the large number of Muslim tourists and residents, had set aside a designated area for their use. Here too, no cameras were allowed. Next, it will be the US.
And therein lies the problem. "What the local populace wants" is subject to interpretation, revision, and yes -- even outright abuse.
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