Skip to comments.Itís official: New York gun confiscation is on [Gun permit suspended over medication]
Posted on 04/09/2013 7:55:17 PM PDT by marktwain
And so this is how it begins: a man with no criminal record and no mental health issues is told by the state that he must turn in his legally-purchased arms to the state because they somehow accessed his medical records. Reader LC Scotty dropped this admission of tyranny into the comments of todays earlier post:
The NYS SAFE Act is billed as a necessary law to protect the public and keep guns out of the hands of the wrong people.
But Hamburg attorney Jim Tresmond says his client was notified by letter that his gun permit was suspended upon the recommendation of State Police, who learned the man is on anti-anxiety medication.
Claiming that he had taken some psychotropic medications, and that he no longer could be eligible for the pistol permit, Tresmond said.
The permit holder lives in Amherst and Tresmond accompanied the man as he turned in his seven handguns used for target-shooting to Amherst Police.
A law-abiding, honest, hard working professional, who never had one wit of scandal associated with him, criminal or otherwise. And they took his guns away, Tresmond said.
Tresmond is one of the attorneys already suing the state over passage of the SAFE ACT, which at the time was the toughest gun control law in the country.
Tresmond says his client once took a prescribed medication for his anxiety but he is not mentally ill. The Amherst man ended his prescription use within the last year.
He is a law-abiding citizen, no record. He is a stellar member of the community, I would say. Not an ex-felon. He is one of the nicest young men I have met in a long time, Tresmond said.
Officials confirmed state law permits the suspension of a gun permit before the permit holder even gets a chance to state their case.
Id suggest it is time for New Yorkers to take some time to pray this evening, and decide how much more tyranny they are willing to take.
How does that musty old document Cuomo and Bloomberg hate so much go again?
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
This process has been ongoing in New York for over a century. That is why there are so few gun owners in New York City now, because we let the Sullivan act fester there, unchecked, for a century.
It is a national scandal that such a major infringement as the Sullivan act, put into law to protect organized crime, was allowed to infringe on New Yorkers Constitutional rights for all this time.
The alternative was the police killing him and his wife. Maybe his kid(s) too. It’s all about saving the children.
“And they took his guns away
No, he gave them up. “
Great! So they started with the street gangs, taking their guns first?
Here is the interview Tresmond did with morning talk show host on WBEN Tom Bauerle.
Wait & see what happens when ObamaCare allows the Federales to dig through every (Republican’s) medical record. And that is exactly what they are planning.
I may be paranoid, but I am damn sure not stupid.
That’s my analysis as well. It’s happened/is happening in MA in precisely the same way.
Nowadays you’re half a kook if you keep a hunting rifle, never mind carry.
Tyrant Kim Un Hussein must be very pleased that his efforts to FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA are progressing so easily.
These are the test cases... IMO...
... LEO agencies and bureaucrats experimenting and proving their tactics for passive surrender of legally owned firearms...
Hasn't this fancy-pants New York lawyer heard of an emergency injunction,
....or temporary restraining order in lieu of a hearing/ adjudication.
Never surrender your stuff without due process....
...if they mount-up a raid team in the name of this bogus reason for confiscation--
There you have a stupid-endous tremendous example of overreach with clear violation of constitutional rights, particularly 2nd, 4th, 5th and 14th Amendment rights.
Great! So they started with the street gangs, taking their guns first?
No. Gangsters help get out the vote for representatives of the Democratic [sic] party, plus all the cops and politicians they pay off are affiliated with the same organization.
There is more going on here than just gun confiscation.
Back in the days of the USSR, the Communists used mental hospitals to jail people fpr political reasons.
We are seeing a broad based effort on the part of the US Government to use vague and totally subjective mental health criteria as a pretext to control people.
The Obama Administration is pulling this directly out of the Stalin/Lenin playbook.
A perfect example is using “Post Traumatic Stress Disorder” as a pretext to confiscate firearms from military veterans and to prevent vets from having guns in their possession.
I’ll leave to peoples imaginations as to why the Obama Administration is so focused on preventing trained US military combat vets from having success to firearms.
“because they somehow accessed his medical records”
So, what did you think the Obamacare databases were really going to be used for?
Same thing in 1994 Staten Island after the Feinstein Federal gun ban, NYC used licenses to round up those guns.
This is why you can have my lawyer after you pry my cold dead hands from around his throat. (Though they would make decent compost)
[[progressing so easily.]]
We shoudl not only be upset with our anti american dear leader, but with the right for their spineless cowardice- they are just as guilty of anti-americanism as dear leader and the left are
[[There you have a stupid-endous tremendous example of overreach with clear violation of constitutional rights, particularly 2nd, 4th, 5th and 14th Amendment rights.]]
And hwere is his lawyer in all this? Where is the NRA Damnit?
No, Big Tim Sullivan was the New York Tamminy Hall organized crime boss that got the law passed. He was concerned that new immigrants were not so willing to pay protection money, and his boys were getting shot.
So he engineered the law that bears his name, where the corrupt New York City machine could decide who could legally have pistols, and who could not.
It escalated from there.
[[But Hamburg attorney Jim Tresmond says his client was notified by letter that his gun permit was suspended upon the recommendation of State Police, who learned the man is on anti-anxiety medication. ]]
Wherei n the consitution does it say soemoen on anti-anxiety medications is unfit to own a gun? Who determiend that he was unfit? What was their diagnosis? Was he under hteir care long enough for them to make that determination? What signs did he exhibit that warrented such a drastic action against him?
IF he miraculously wins this case- I hope to hell he sues the CRAP out of those who confiscated his guns-
Criminals will have taken note that the man is now unarmed.
I wonder how long it will take before they come knocking.
Some day aspirin and Tylenol will be considered anti-anxiety medication.
Are you kidding? That can get them shot! They’d much rather go after this guy sitting peacefully in his house.
And what if he hadn't given them up and made a stand? Would you have shown up to help? Or would you have sat back and watched it on TV?
Don't take my post personally. I'm just illustrating a point.
No, he gave them up.
Under bad legal advice from a lawyer with bigger fish to fry (his case against the State of NY). It's going to be a lot harder to get the guns back now that the police have their hands on them.
It’s not a binary thing, there are more choices than either 1) hand over the guns or 2) be shot by a SWAT team. His attorney could have taken custody of the firearms and arranged for safe storage while the case settles, but for some reason the lawyer thinks it’s OK to let the Police hold them. I’m not sure I’d have gone the route they did. Maybe he couldn’t take custody, even though he’s an officer of the court.
Feinstein has already set up virtually every veteran for this same treatment.
The beast approaches.
They do not want to be called racists, so this will never happen. The gang bangers will be allowed to keep their weapons. And people wonder why I plan on becoming an expat. The psychopaths are running the asylum.
Registration even through so called background checks (that are supposed to be erased after 3 days but are forever in the computer) = confiscation. How many boys are forced to take Ritalin by the central controlled education system? Guess what they can’t own a gun. See where this goes?
I'm not sure what the legal procedures are for the transfer of seven handguns in New York.
I'm pretty sure it isn't as simple as it is in North Dakota...
Welcome to the New World Order, soon they will start rounding up those who oppose them and send them to re-education camps, how did that work out for the Jews in NAZI Germany?
Good point. Though, how did it work out for the Nazi’s?
So that’s it... because some bureaucrat went snooping into this guy’s mental health record and found he’s on an anti-anxiety drug, his 2nd Amendment rights are forfeit.
And the libs try to give these false assurances gun registration doesn’t lead to confiscation. NYers, does he have any options, or are his weapons forever gone?
“Confiscation will not be done, en mass, with armored police raids. It will be done this way, over a generation or two, as registration requirements are tightened and reasons to own guns restricted. Little by little, a bit at a time, until gun owners are few and politically weak.”
The local sheriff here is giving speeches before women’s groups, urging them to buy weapons and learn how to use them.
Basic physics: For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction.
It actually only went bad for the NAZI’s when we entered the war, now that we have become a fascist government there is no we to save us from them but us.
Socialist fascism is a pure born evil. Islam is it’s true origin of birth. We will overcome, once again. The greatest social experiment in human history, will not die, by moral vagrancy. We will overcome, once again.
I very severely doubt it. Ain't nobody got time for that. Besides, American Idol is on.
See, we keep going over how the Constitution has been violated. It's happened and is happening on both sides of the aisle. The Constitution, for all intents and purposes, is nothing more than a piece of paper and a history listen. It has no place in modern times, but for some reason we keep talking about how it's so important. It CANNOT be ignored, and oh how we rail against the criminals.
In the end, we do nothing. We shake our heads when another attack happens. We shake our fists in the air and b*tch to no one in particular when pols piss all over the Constitution. Yet we do NOTHING.
Let's face it: the Great Experiment has been concluded, and we ultimately failed. Because we continue to do nothing.
Cuomo admitted, right from the beginning, that confiscation would be a possibility, but yet the majority of NYers still love him.