Skip to comments.REID: GUN DEAL DEADLINE 5PM
Posted on 04/09/2013 11:23:19 AM PDT by JohnPDuncan
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has given Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) until 5 p.m. Tuesday to reach a background checks deal with Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.), according to several sources close to the issue.
If theres no agreement by that deadline, Reid will move to start debate over a gun-control package that is a wish list for gun-control advocates. But Republicans have already threatened to filibuster the bill, and it is unlikely to pass in its current form. If there is no deal and a filibuster is surmounted, votes could start as early as Thursday.
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We need to target TOOMEY from PA.
Deadline?? Is that his sick twisted humor or a threat to my person.
Hopefully Kim launches before then.
What is its current form? Are we gunna have to pass it to see what's in it?
So much for reading the bill. I guess curb stomping the Constitution is far to important for the "World's Greatest Deliberative Body" to actually debate it.
This deal between Manchin and Toomey is already DOA. The Manchin bill would only apply to retail dealers and not individual transaction. It would not get any democrat support.
I wish I could give Harry Reid a 5 PM deadline to get out of town.
How can its "form" be anything other than its current form, given that "The Gang" of usurpers won't allow any amendments?
Gun-grabbers don’t know what they really want, so nothing will satisfy them. Mandatory background checks at gun shows would be the most I would offer them, since that’s already the case at most gun shows already, even if the antis don’t know it.
I just wrote to Toomey. Told him I contributed to have him defeat Sphincter, but if he helps the Democrats get any gun control passed I will be contributing to his primary opponent.
Then they'll just change the definition of "gun show."
It's what they do.
I faxed my Senator Dean Heller of Nevada, this morning, immediately after hearing he woul not take part in the filibuster.
“Grow some balls and join the filibuster” in large handwriting was all it said.
I hope NK will not attack the US, but there has never been a time in history when a nuke on DC would do less damage than today. I just see the problem as the morons and parasites who vote for socialism, not the particular communists and socialists sent to rule over us.
Whats the big hurry! They’ve sat around for three mos tossing this in that out but no real deal!!!! So now the citezen gets a pile of crap for legislation!
Just emailed Mark Proyr for the 2nd time. (can’t call from work) I told him that before he votes on guns or illegals he may want to asked Blanche Linclon how the health care vote worked out for her.
Wrote him also and told hm a deal with the Dems would be him committing political suicide.Millions of legal firearms owners along with about 1 million deer hunters will nail shut his re- election coffin.
That’s the problem. Like I said, they don’t know what they really want, they just know they’re scared of guns. Half-wit leftie Martin Schramm wrote a column yesterday about how great the Australian gun confiscation was and how much it lowered the Aussie crime rate. The idiot didn’t know or care that the crime rate here went down just as much with no new controls.
Reid is a two faced dirtball. Comes across as a loving, mild mannered and quiet spoken old guy and he’s the furthest from that come across.
Manchin Ran as a gun rights conservative-—looks like his number has been called and now it’s time for him to put up or shutthebleep up.
I have emailed Toomey twice including once today on the specific reasons why I oppose the unviversal background check law. I also wrote to my two Senators (hopeless Democrat political hacks) and four other Senators (two from Alaska, McCain, and Backus)
Please feel free to copy or use any of the following in your communications with your Senators:
I oppose the Universal Background Check law proposed by Chuck Schumer. It is nonsense and not common sense. It will do much more harm than good.
Please vote against S374. http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-113s374rs/pdf/BILLS-113s374rs.pdf
First, S374, the Fix Gun Checks Act of 2013 creates an impossible firearms theft reporting requirements. Section 203 requires that within 24 hours of the theft or loss of a firearm that it be reported to both local police and the US Attorney Generals office. This is wrong; it should be the lesser of 3 business days or 6 calendar days. There are many 3-day weekends where holidays fall on Monday. There is also the Thanksgiving weekend which includes Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday, or 4 calendar days. Most police department business offices and the Attorney Generals offices are closed on weekends and holiday weekends. Therefore, there will be times when a firearm is stolen and it will be physically impossible to report the firearm as stolen within 24 hours. Furthermore, many responsible firearms owners keep serial numbers of their firearms in bank safety deposit boxes, which are often not accessible during weekends or holiday weekends. Without serial numbers, it will be impossible to adequately and accurately report lost or stolen firearms.
Furthermore, Section 202 on firearms transfers is hopelessly flawed and is utter nonsense in its current form. My first example is the exemptions to the transfer requirement are not nearly broad enough. For example, domestic partners, nieces, nephews, step-sons, step-daughters, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, etc. should all be included within the bona fide exemption list.
Another failing of Section 202 is that it does not exempt active duty military or reserve military about to be deployed overseas from the exemption requirement on transferring their personal firearms to another friend or family member. The US military does not allow active military to take firearms with them and so the military personnel must either sell or find a place where their self defense or hunting firearms can be stored prior to deployment.
Another serious lack of exemption is that ignorance of how common carriers work. For example, if I were to go hunting in say Alaska, I would call ahead and bring my hunting rifle and/or handgun in an unloaded condition in a locked case to the airline counter at the airport. There a representative of the airline would examine the firearm to make sure it was unloaded and there was no ammunition with it, and that it was in a locked case. They would then accept it, take possession, and put it into checked luggage so when I arrived in Alaska, I could claim it at the airport and proceed to my hunt. Unfortunately, the airline representative, baggage handlers and I would all be guilty of multiple illegal firearm transfers. The same would be true if I took other modes of transportation, whether it was an Alaska State Ferry, bus, train, or many other forms of transportation.
Now another flaw within Section 202 is that the temporary transfer associated with a lawful hunting or sporting purpose is too narrowly defined, as it limits it to (1) incorporated shooting ranges, (2) state agency or non-profit shooting competitions, or (3) while hunting or trapping. This means that if I want to provide or attend firearms safety training at an office or non-shooting range facility, attend a for-profit concealed carry license training course required by some states, I and others would likely be guilty of a violating this law. Many people sight in firearms at gravel pits, public or private property with safe backstops that are not organized shooting ranges and so those people would potentially be guilty of illegal firearms transfers if they let others use a weapon prior to a valid hunt.
Now lets look at another unintended consequence of this proposed law. That is the federal definition of a transfer. After the federal law is passed, states will likely need to pass similar enabling legislation. Many states have specific requirements regarding the transfer of firearms, including waiting periods, need for licenses, and other restrictions. So in theory, these other requirements, would trigger the moment a a sale, gift, loan, return from pawn or consignment, or other disposition occurs.
Still another flaw with S374 is that it will impose a transfer and background check fee on each firearm transferred, even when not required. Lets hypothesize that I want to sell four firearms (a revolver, a 22 pistol, a 22 rifle, and a hunting rifle) to a co-worker or neighbor that know to not be a prohibited person, because he has a concealed carry license. I can understand doing a background check on the sale to the neighbor once, but not four times. The person is either prohibited or not prohibited from receiving the firearms and multiple checks for each firearm is really meaningless, unless there is something about registering each serial number of each firearm.
While brings me to the final point of objection. That final point is the point that has been raised by the ACLU and other organizations on the potential privacy issue violations associated with this proposed law. A national gun registry is a bad idea, one that Canada found to be an incredible financial black hole. Canadas national gun registry became so expensive they finally had to abandon it. With Sequester and the need for budget priorities, now is not the time to add a huge financial tracking system of firearms owners, that money would be better spent on education, mental health programs, and anti-gang programs.
As such, when all is said and done, S374 is a very bad law and hopelessly flawed. Please vote against it. It is hardly common sense. S374 is utter and complete nonsense.
I’m trying to decide if Baraq or Dingy Harry is the more detestable.
This is not an easy determination to make.
You know, you would think that of all the Rs in the Senate, Toomey would be the most sensitive to the fact that he’s going to get primaried out of office if he pushes gun control.
Specter got primaried, and so will Toomey.
The MOST detestable would be the Republicans who are going to support those two morons! THEY are beyond the pale!
When I look at him I see a demon, a weak one but nevertheless, that's what I see. BHO on the other hand, I see...uh...I better shut up.
Very easy for me Colonel. See post #25.