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Virginia Builds $1 Million “Super” Bus Stop [which can shelter only 15 people]
dailytech.com ^ | April 4, 2013 | Tiffany Kaiser

Posted on 04/07/2013 9:50:43 AM PDT by grundle

It expects to build 23 more at over $900,000 a piece

The city of Arlington just recently opened an impressive bus stop with a not-so-impressive price tag of $1 million. The “super stop” in Arlington, Virginia is unlike any other bus stop. It has a custom designed roof made of glass and steel; a wall of etched glass; heaters in the floor; gorgeous landscaping, and concrete/stainless steel benches.

The bus stop has 10-inch high curbs, 90 feet of concrete and can shelter 15 people at a time while waiting for buses to arrive – all at a cost of $1 million.

The cost comes down to $575,000 for construction/fabrication and $440,000 for construction management and inspections, where federal/state money took care of 80 percent of the total price tag.

When Arlington citizens discovered the cost of the super stop, many were outraged.

“That’s ridiculous,” said Robin Stewart, a citizen who was waiting at the super stop. “From a citizen, from a voter, whoever put that budget through needs to get their butt canned. It’s an outrage.”

The super stop opened on March 11, and 23 more are planned for Arlington’s streetcars. The county has set aside $20.8 million for all of them, which is about $904,000 a piece.

The idea behind the fancy bus stops is to not only accommodate Arlington’s plans for its streetcars and buses (about 16,000 people use the Columbia Pike buses for transportation) but to also draw people to the area. New housing is expected to be built in the area over the next two decades, and the county hopes the bus stops will help it flourish.

“When you do a prototype, you end up heavily front-loading on the costs,” said Dennis Leach, Arlington’s transportation director. “These are more like high-capacity bus or rail stops.”

But citizens are concerned about the budget, saying that Arlington can build nice bus stops without having to spend $1 million.

“Oh my God. How much steel? How much cement? How much glass? One million? Bring them to court,” said Husain Hamid, who was waiting at the super stop. “People are hungry. People are sleeping on the street. It doesn’t need $1 million.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: arlingtonva; busstop; dcmetro; milliondollarbusstop

1 posted on 04/07/2013 9:50:43 AM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

They hate the private car because the car empowers the individual and not the collectivity. They are willing to spend millions of dollars to prove how crazy they are.


2 posted on 04/07/2013 9:52:10 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: grundle

“The federal govt is paying for it”

Isn’t it great to have the modern day version of the biblical manna?


3 posted on 04/07/2013 9:52:35 AM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: grundle

What? No Starbucks and wi-fi? This bus stop is a ripoff!


4 posted on 04/07/2013 9:53:13 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Bill of Rights?)
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To: nascarnation

It disgusts me beyond expression how these insane LIBs spend spend spend...other peoples’ money. Can’t the arlington bus crowd stand and wait for their lousy subsidized buses alongside the curb? Oh...excuse me. They are my betters.


5 posted on 04/07/2013 9:55:08 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: grundle

Not much there. Where did the rest of the money go?


6 posted on 04/07/2013 9:57:32 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: grundle

Looks to me like three guys could build just as good a structure with $500 worth of sheet metal, plywood and a few 2x4s.


7 posted on 04/07/2013 9:59:11 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Million dollars and no basketball goal?


8 posted on 04/07/2013 10:00:06 AM PDT by phoneman08 (Reagan conservative union member. Not a s rare as you think!)
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To: grundle

Let’s not forget these things will have a never ending maintenance and replacement cost. Now who do you suppose will reap the benefits of those jobs?


9 posted on 04/07/2013 10:00:11 AM PDT by trubolotta
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To: I want the USA back

It’s not a bus stop but a future home for homeless bums.


10 posted on 04/07/2013 10:00:49 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: I want the USA back

But they got rid of the streetcars because buses were more car-like and the bus operators were private and non-monopolistic (i.e. unlike the privately-owned electric power companies that ran the streetcars), didn’t they . . . ? And now they spend more on state-run city and commuter buses than was ever spent on “monopolistic” streetcar companies, especially on making the bus stops a bit fancier. How ironic.

The automobile remains very popular overseas (especially in Europe) where they spend lots of dough subsidizing public transit, too. This is in countries with long histories of state ownership of public transit; and the real irony there is that Europe is where the automobile was invented.


11 posted on 04/07/2013 10:01:04 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: mountainlion
Where did the rest of the money go?

Union workers and contractors with the right political connections. And a fair amount gets "recycled" as political contributions.

12 posted on 04/07/2013 10:02:21 AM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: circlecity

“Looks to me like three guys could build just as good a structure with $500 worth of sheet metal, plywood and a few 2x4s.”

Naaah.

It would take at least $1,500.


13 posted on 04/07/2013 10:02:37 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (ok)
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To: circlecity

or give everyone in arlington an umbrella that you can buy at the dollar store


14 posted on 04/07/2013 10:03:19 AM PDT by mriguy67
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To: phoneman08

LOL! I missed that.


15 posted on 04/07/2013 10:03:36 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Bill of Rights?)
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To: mountainlion

A little less than half of it is management and drawings.

Think of it this way. First they made several designs, all within some scope of size, shape and cost. These were drawn with a materials list, each had a structural analysis to make sure they would each survive some wind, snow, rain and earthquake as well as a car ramming into it.

Then these designs were modeled; and each design was then presented to some authority committee who decided which approach that they would take. Each design was given equal representation, and equal testing data.

The committee chose one from among the various designs offered - and the taxpayer paid for each design effort.

Now, the final design had to undergo ADVANCED analysis. 3D modeling, stress analysis, had to have timelines drawn up, and go out for bids for each of the particular aspects of building the stop. Time studies were taken for each step; such that the NEXT build will be faster.

Whenever you make a new design - the first product is MUCH more expensive than the second, third and so forth.

The question I would ask is “What was wrong with designs used previously, or used by other cities in the USA?”

This would have saved the $400k initial phase.


16 posted on 04/07/2013 10:06:14 AM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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17 posted on 04/07/2013 10:08:03 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: grundle
The cost comes down to;

$575,000 for construction/fabrication
$440,000 for construction management and inspections
federal/state money took care of 80 percent of the total price tag.

That price tag was taken care of by the taxes paid by individuals/companies not some gov't entity.

18 posted on 04/07/2013 10:08:55 AM PDT by deport
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To: Hodar
It is an outrageous amount of money for me to think of. I would have to have a machingun to catch a bus around here and that after a 5 mile walk. They stop for no one. Public transportation works for so few people it is seems like a total waste to me.
19 posted on 04/07/2013 10:13:10 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: grundle

One million dollars?

Where’s the midnight basketball court?


20 posted on 04/07/2013 10:16:38 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: circlecity

Not with paying inspectors enforcing all those regulations and everyone being paid high union wages. I imagine there were plenty of committees just to decide what folige to plant.


21 posted on 04/07/2013 10:17:14 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: mountainlion

Crony capitalism at it’s finest. A select few got a mint in exchange for kickbacks.


22 posted on 04/07/2013 10:17:43 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: grundle
“Oh my God. How much steel? How much cement? How much glass? One million? Bring them to court,” said Husain Hamid, who was waiting at the super stop. “People are hungry. People are sleeping on the street. It doesn’t need $1 million.”

Well Husain, now you'll be able to share your new bus stop with the homeless! They'll be cozying right next to you on those neat concrete/stainless steel benches. Skip the double-tall mocha latte and drop your five bucks in their cup...what's that? You didn't expect them to be that close to you? Oh, sure you can skip the expensive latte! Hey, where you going? come back! Oh, nice gesture, Husain! Damn hypocritical liberal...

23 posted on 04/07/2013 10:19:08 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: grundle

Somebody got a nice fat contract with this one.


24 posted on 04/07/2013 10:19:53 AM PDT by Conservative4Ever (I'm going Galt)
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To: hal ogen

I live in Arlington....along the Pike, and know the new site. I live on down the street. What I have for a bus stop is a plain simple brick deal...built in the 1970s...probably for less than $1k. It has a roof and does pretty well.

What the Arlington folks are doing...is attracting up and young players who work in DC and pull down a $80k or better salary a year. It’s the same thing for the stupid trolley car that is being planned, and the other various projects. They figure if they come...they will spend money, and be willing to pay $2k a month on rent for upper-class apartments. It’s that simple. In less than twenty years...no one making $40k a year or less...will be able to live in the region of Arlington, that’s my humble prediction.


25 posted on 04/07/2013 10:21:43 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: grundle

How long until it’s all tagged with graffiti?


26 posted on 04/07/2013 10:22:54 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: nascarnation
and America takes another one in the........

27 posted on 04/07/2013 10:23:08 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: grundle

Well, we can pretty much know where the majority of that money went.


28 posted on 04/07/2013 10:27:43 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: mountainlion

No arguments from me on any of your accounts. I too am forced to pay for public transportation through my taxes, and would have to drive 7 miles to pick up the nearest bus.

Then, when you look at the cost of using public transportations, taking the light rail to the destination, then hopping 2 buses for me to get to work - not only does driving save me 1+ hours each way; it’s also about half the price.


29 posted on 04/07/2013 10:46:16 AM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: grundle

I really can’t see where MOST Arlington County VA voters have a problem with the cost or this bus stop...

Voting for 2012
BO/joebama 81 thou- 34 thou
Kaine/(Sen) 82 thou - 32 thou
Moran/(Cong) 74-33
Bond issue for Metro(32 bill) (local bus/subway)/Transportation 89 thou - 22 thou

They wanted the LIBS, they got ‘em....live with it...


30 posted on 04/07/2013 10:47:19 AM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --I turn 75 next year- but remember, that's only 24 Celsius. (TKS R. Reagan))
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To: xrmusn

Except WE are paying for their folly.


31 posted on 04/07/2013 11:17:24 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: grundle
My small city (population 34,000) just added 5 of these "bus stops" for $377,000 ($75,400 each!). About half of that cost was for "environmental impact studies".
The city government told us "not to worry, half of the tab will be picked up by the federal government" [IMG]http://i45.tinypic.com/awu9fq.jpg[/IMG]
32 posted on 04/07/2013 11:26:27 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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33 posted on 04/07/2013 11:28:37 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: Minutemen

As you can see, these bus stops are very busy!


34 posted on 04/07/2013 11:30:56 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: grundle

It has to shelter a lot of graft in addition to people.


35 posted on 04/07/2013 11:33:49 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: grundle

Keeps the union workers happy and the (mafia style connected) contractors happy. Hacks got kickbacks so a win-win all ways around. It cost Arlington only $200,000. State and Federal taxpayers picked up $800,000 of the cost


36 posted on 04/07/2013 11:38:55 AM PDT by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing - Joe Pine)
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To: grundle

It will make a nice homeless shelter.


37 posted on 04/07/2013 1:04:01 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: max americana

...and a new blank canvas for aspiring street artists (in the good ole days, “vandals”).


38 posted on 04/07/2013 1:05:51 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: grundle

Our wise leaders continue, as ever, to fritter away money while taxes rise and the economy sinks.

Is ANYBODY in charge around here????


39 posted on 04/07/2013 2:08:16 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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