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Vanity Editorial China is Convincing North Korea it can win a war with the USA
4/5/2013 | Me

Posted on 04/05/2013 3:20:25 PM PDT by ScottLA37

With all the rhetoric coming out of North Korea it is hard to make sense out of what is happening.  There is plenty of speculation to go around because the recent moves by Kim Jong Un seem suicidal.  I am not a military expert but I have been following this for many years.  My speculation is that this is all being provoked by China.  Bear with me for a few minutes while I try to make sense of this.  If China convinces the DPRK to start a war with the US, they create a huge distraction, weaken the US and throw DPRK under the bus.  They have been building up DPRK for years to use in this proxy war and now the timing is right for many reasons:

So what does China really want?  Oil.  With the US distracted, weakened and fighting a 1 million man DPRK army with 8 million DPRK reservists, China can now just waltz into the military vacuum in Iraq and control middle eastern oil with its friend Iran.  China has for years setup a military presence all the way from the Persian Gulf through the shipping lanes to China.  This is China's biggest worry, oil.  

So without shedding a drop of blood on Chinese soil, China can weaken the US, destroy the US dollar by taking it out as the US reserve currency, and get rid of that pesky North Korea all together.

But what about all of those people in harms way in South Korea?  Simple, "Ghost Cities".  China for years have been building mysterious ghost cities to provide housing and infrastructure for millions of people.  So who will live in the Ghost Cities?  Mostly South Korean refugees and some select refugees from North Korea.  Millions of skilled low wage workers that would love to escape a ware torn and possibly nuclear contaminated Korean peninsula.  China may also gain much of the South Korean technology, manufacturing and intellectual property with an evacuation of Korea to China.

Many of the top military officials in the DPRK have been trained by China.  These officials, I believe, have been given promises from China of great wealth if they convince young Kim that they can win a war with the US.  Once war starts, these officials will be escorted out of harms way to top posts in China.

So what does China gain by provoking a war between the DPRK and the USA?

This is all speculation and I could be wrong, just trying to make sense of things that don't make sense.  Please share your thoughts.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: china; ghostcities; northkorea; oil; vanity; waronterror

1 posted on 04/05/2013 3:20:25 PM PDT by ScottLA37
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To: ScottLA37

^


2 posted on 04/05/2013 3:21:07 PM PDT by rdb3 (I'm NOT a movement conservative. I'm a conservative in the movement.)
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To: ScottLA37

Ridiculous.


3 posted on 04/05/2013 3:22:29 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ScottLA37

If anyone can find a way to lose to North Korea, it’s Obama.


4 posted on 04/05/2013 3:28:41 PM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: ScottLA37

I don’t think so.


5 posted on 04/05/2013 3:29:42 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: ScottLA37

Iran has been pretty quiet as of late...and Putin has been flexing his muscles.


6 posted on 04/05/2013 3:30:00 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: ScottLA37

7 posted on 04/05/2013 3:31:17 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: ScottLA37

think Taiwan..ROC
& we have jackas occupant in the white hut


8 posted on 04/05/2013 3:31:40 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: skinkinthegrass

China is inevitably going to buy out Taiwan....they won’t need to fire a shot.


9 posted on 04/05/2013 3:33:35 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ScottLA37

Wake up people.

Time to bring back US manufacturing.

Now.


10 posted on 04/05/2013 3:34:57 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: ScottLA37

Yeah—a dastardly Chinese plot to run freight fuel prices up, so cheap junk from China won’t be as cheap...oh...never mind.


11 posted on 04/05/2013 3:37:07 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: ScottLA37
They have been building up DPRK for years to use in this proxy war and now the timing is right

China doesn't likely want a proxy war. There is no real reason to think China would want North Korea to ever attack the South or do anything else other than occupy space. China doesn't want a unified Korea because it would become an even bigger economic power which is friendly to the United States and right on their border. If the North attacks, they would lose fairly quickly and the peninsula would be unified in a way that China has been trying to avoid.

You also significantly overestimate North Korea's military power. North Korea's economy is a tiny fraction of what South Korea's is, and they don't have much modern equipment. North Korea's military is largely comprised of antiquated junk. South Korea has a first world military. Sure the North has lots of hardware, but in reality it is so over matched that the South would win in not very long. North Korea would be wiped out of the skies within a day or two and then their army would be easy pickings.

If North Korea attacks, even with poison gas lobbed at the South's airfields, they couldn't sustain an offensive for long. They'd lose control of the air almost immediately and once their initial burst was absorbed, they'd simply be wiped out. They could kill a lot of civilians in the first 24 hours with artillery, but that wouldn't help them win a war.

12 posted on 04/05/2013 3:41:07 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: ScottLA37

All this is being done to stop development of defsen tech and to create a military pact with China.

We will again give up security and freedom for the perception that our uber blue cities are in danger.

F NYC, F Seattle, F LA.


13 posted on 04/05/2013 3:41:25 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I predict the exact same Freepers will hate the GOP Candidate for: 2016,2020,2024,2028, 2032.)
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To: dfwgator

along w/ Inner Mongolia / Korea / SE Russia / all of Indochina
...of USA via the WDC Establishment.


14 posted on 04/05/2013 3:42:39 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: Longbow1969

Yeah verily! And China does not want another Democracy on it’s border.


15 posted on 04/05/2013 3:49:23 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (The number one enemy of liberalism is reality.)
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To: ScottLA37

Dumbest analysis of NK I’ve ever read...........stick to your day job.


16 posted on 04/05/2013 3:51:04 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This space for rent)
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To: ScottLA37
The Norks have been ripping China off for years. I mean to the point of taking whole freight trains, locomotives and all, and then marching the crews back across the bridge at gun point.

China has lucrative trade with South Korea. The Norks are a drain on China and IMHO Beijing would like to see an end to it. China has no fear of SK, none at all. They can buy up the whole place if they want to.

Also, Nork refugees pose a SIGNIFICANT threat to the border region. Refugees would pour across that border in numbers even China couldn't handle.

That's bad for business.

No, China no longer needs the Norks. They have become a stone around Beijing's neck, and its time for them to go.



This is how China sees Korea, and they now like the south more than the north. Count on it.

17 posted on 04/05/2013 3:52:10 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslymz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: ScottLA37
The timing is not right. Give Obama another 16-18 months and the US military will be a hollow shell. Where will that hollow shell be deployed? South Korea? Taiwan? Iraq? Israel? Columbia? Sudan? Pakistan? Afghanistan?

North Korea is just being a dutiful puppet to show that the new “Dear Leader” can evoke a US response that can be measured. If America's enemies are patient and wait for the signal, they can all have what they want and CIC Obama will see that they get it.

When China refuses loans to the US and can displace the dollar (as it is doing with Australia) as the world reserve currency, that will be the signal that action is imminent. China has much to gain and little to lose if it just waits for the right time and persuades our other enemies to do the same.

18 posted on 04/05/2013 4:18:07 PM PDT by trubolotta
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To: ScottLA37

I’m more concerned with a two front war, NKor and Iran.

Right now, NKor may be using a big diversion ploy to give Iran some breathing space, figuring that Israel was just about to attack. If NKor can just create a big enough distraction, Iran might be able to finalize its nuclear weapons.


19 posted on 04/05/2013 4:34:10 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

>Time to bring back US manufacturing.<

.
Time to get rid of labor unions and the EPA before that can happen.


20 posted on 04/05/2013 4:38:12 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not indicate whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: ScottLA37

nope, i don’t agree with the article.


21 posted on 04/05/2013 4:41:51 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: ScottLA37

“U.S. policy for dealing with the North Korean situation is inadequate because it focuses on North Korea in isolation as a rogue state, and naively seeks help from the Russians and Chinese to solve the problem. The North Korea situation and any future nuclear incident, wherever it occurs, must be seen against the background of Sino-Soviet ‘convergence’ strategy: the interaction of Russian and Chinese policy and the moves they make to derive strategic gains from critical situations should be closely studied.” — KGB Defector Major Anatoliy Golitsyn, “The Perestroika Deception”, March 1989, p. 46.

Today Michael Ledeen wrote something similar, that he is afraid that this is a distraction of sorts, to make us focus on N Korea. At such times, he advises, it would be well to look at the NORK’s allies, and see who stands to gain what.


22 posted on 04/05/2013 4:53:53 PM PDT by steerpike100
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To: ScottLA37

This is absolutely ridiculous and the assumptions are flawed on many levels.


23 posted on 04/05/2013 5:00:27 PM PDT by RobertClark (My shrink just killed himself - he blamed me in his note!)
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To: ConradofMontferrat
This is how China sees Korea, and they now like the south more than the north. Count on it.

Exactly. Add to that that China forty years ago was very similar to North Korea - today they are very similar to South Korea, if not more advanced in some ways. They have moved on to a big corporate role and left their ugly little brother behind in the Communist orphanage. :)

24 posted on 04/05/2013 5:02:38 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: ScottLA37

If the Chinese are telling the Norks that dumBO will surrender to them, they have a point.


25 posted on 04/05/2013 7:26:47 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: steerpike100

Now 2 Nork subs are unaccounted for.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-03/two-north-korean-submarines-disappeared


26 posted on 04/06/2013 9:17:58 AM PDT by ScottLA37
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To: RobertClark
This is absolutely ridiculous and the assumptions are flawed on many levels.

You may be correct.

Could you elaborate a bit?

27 posted on 04/08/2013 3:27:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ScottLA37

How do you say THRESHER in Korean?


28 posted on 04/08/2013 3:27:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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