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Arctic Going Green from Warming, Study Finds
Yahoo ^ | 4/3/13 | Tia Ghose, LiveScience

Posted on 04/04/2013 11:42:05 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

Large swaths of the Arctic tundra will be warm enough to support lush vegetation and trees by 2050, suggests a new study.

Higher temperatures will lessen snow cover, according to the study, which is detailed in the March 31 issue of the journal Nature Climate Change. That, in turn, will decrease the sunlight reflected back into the atmosphere and increase warming. About half the areas will see vegetation change, and areas currently populated by shrubs may find woody trees taking their place.

"Substitute the snowy surface with the darker surface of a coniferous tree, and the darker surface stores more heat," said study co-author Pieter Beck, a vegetative ecologist at the Woods Hole Research Center in Massachusetts. "It's going to exacerbate warming."

Warming Arctic

The Arctic climate affects the world: Changes in sea ice affect ocean circulation, which, in turn, affects atmospheric circulation that then impacts the globe, said Bruce Forbes, a geographer at the Arctic Center at the University of Lapland in Finland, who was not involved in the study.

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1 posted on 04/04/2013 11:42:05 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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Folks,, Better hit the FReepathon thread today and beat the rush before we extinct spontaneously or sumthin’. Thanks!


2 posted on 04/04/2013 11:44:19 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: NormsRevenge
Large swaths of the Arctic tundra will be warm enough to support lush vegetation and trees by 2050, suggests a new study.

And it would be awesome news if it were true.
3 posted on 04/04/2013 11:44:45 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Green is good.


4 posted on 04/04/2013 11:47:44 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!n)
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To: cripplecreek

Sounds like a dang fine place to try out some of them doomsday seeds to me. As far as the new study “suggesting”, I got some suggestions for them as well.


5 posted on 04/04/2013 11:49:00 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST MR. PRESIDENT!(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: NormsRevenge

Great. I’ll be able to retire to my summer home in Northern Greenland.


6 posted on 04/04/2013 11:49:29 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: cripplecreek
Large swaths of the Arctic tundra will be warm enough to support lush vegetation and trees by 2050, suggests a new study.

Khrushchev is turning over in his grave....He lost his job mainly because of his disastrous attempts to grow corn and wheat in the tundra.

7 posted on 04/04/2013 11:49:41 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: NormsRevenge

Global warming beats the heck out of global cooling. In a warm climate, you can sometimes get 2 growing seasons. In a cold climate, you’re lucky to get one season.

Starvation sucks.


8 posted on 04/04/2013 11:50:45 AM PDT by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: NormsRevenge

The Spotted Owl and Darter Snail will be glad to hear this.


9 posted on 04/04/2013 11:53:58 AM PDT by moovova
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To: NormsRevenge

Soom new housing developments will spring up there.


10 posted on 04/04/2013 11:55:09 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: NormsRevenge

If there’s something we’re doing to create lush vegetation in the arctic, we should keep it up.


11 posted on 04/04/2013 11:57:13 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: cripplecreek

Great news indeed. I can move my redoubt from north of Lake Huron to the beach, on Hudson Bay.


12 posted on 04/04/2013 11:58:21 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Is having another area where trees and some cold weather food crops can grow not a good thing? The last time the climate warmed in recorded history, exploration and knowledge really advanced, and a group of Vikings were able to settle in Greenland, because it really was...


13 posted on 04/04/2013 12:00:34 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: brownsfan

I’m doing my best to promote warming.
My roof is black and I installed a bunch of BLACK solar panels.


14 posted on 04/04/2013 12:00:51 PM PDT by Senormechanico
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To: NormsRevenge

How many glo-bull warming predictions have come true so far?


15 posted on 04/04/2013 12:01:23 PM PDT by BO Stinkss ( I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees)
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To: NormsRevenge

Love how they concentrate on the small differences in the northern hemisphere. Sea ice in the southern hemisphere is ahead of the multi-year averages... by a larger margin than the northern ‘deficiency.’

In other words, globally speaking (and the enviros all want us to ‘think globally’), we’ve got more sea ice than normal.


16 posted on 04/04/2013 12:01:34 PM PDT by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Increased vegetation, especially trees, also mean much more carbon is safely stored rather than released into the atmosphere.

Don't the global warming alarmists always tell us that trees and their capability to store carbon safely is a good thing?

Therefore, if global warming stimulates the growth of more trees, then global warming must be a good thing too!

17 posted on 04/04/2013 12:04:00 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: NormsRevenge

First, I fail to see how more arable land is necessarily a bad thing, for humans or any other species on the planet.

Second, if billions more acres shift from being covered by ice to being green with plant life, wouldn’t that added green space absorb radically huge amounts of CO2?


18 posted on 04/04/2013 12:06:45 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: NormsRevenge

It is April 4th 2013 and it is currently -24 below 0 in Cambridge Bay Canada right now. I’m sure the locals in Cambridge Bay wouldn’t mind some global warming.


19 posted on 04/04/2013 12:11:46 PM PDT by A message
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To: NormsRevenge

This kind of talk reminds me of Sheldon, Howard, Leonard and Raj arguing about keeping the storyline consistent in the Star Trek fantasies.


20 posted on 04/04/2013 12:14:47 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: Ramius

Yeah, you and your stinkn’ science. What has science got to do with global warming?


21 posted on 04/04/2013 12:16:44 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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22 posted on 04/04/2013 12:16:50 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: A message
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23 posted on 04/04/2013 12:17:01 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: NormsRevenge

These folks are standing on the platform of the station, still talking, not realizing that the train has done left without them.


24 posted on 04/04/2013 12:27:38 PM PDT by lurk
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To: NormsRevenge

Global warming will cause longer growing seasons and more land to become arable as the permafrost belt retreats, resulting in increased food production. But count on the liberal/leftists to argue that increased food production will lead to more obesity.


25 posted on 04/04/2013 12:39:17 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Yeah, it will happen in 2050, in fact it will happen every year leading up to 2050. Up here in Alaska, we call it spring.


26 posted on 04/04/2013 12:53:12 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Once that nasty old ice is gone they can dig into the ground and reveal the fossilized remains of the tropical plants that once grew there.

They date from even before Fred and Barney were driving around in their SUV’s made of logs and Stone.


27 posted on 04/04/2013 1:17:30 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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The vast boreal forests bordering the tundra are already lush and green. If they were to advance northward it would be a beneficial development for the environment as a whole. Too bad it is highly unlikely to happen. This ridiculous screed is, as usual, based on a “computer” model, custom made to deliver the desired outcome. It is not based on any data at all.


28 posted on 04/04/2013 1:19:03 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: NormsRevenge

Come 2050, the heat mongers will move the date up to 2080, ad infinitum.


29 posted on 04/04/2013 1:29:29 PM PDT by pallis
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I was kind of under the impression that the tundra was made up of tons of dead plant matter (kind of like a frozen bog). If it is bad and unprecedented, then how did all of that plant matter get there in the first place?


30 posted on 04/04/2013 1:30:56 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: alancarp
Love how they concentrate on the small differences in the northern hemisphere.

The heck with the southern hemisphere. I visit Mt. Shasta here in California a lot, almost annually. The snowpack is growing. Mt. Shasta glaciers are growing in California. Two Mt. Shasta glaciers have doubled in size since 1950 (Hotlum and Wintun). Glaciers are also growing in Alaska and Washington state. Those evil lib global warmer liars conveniently ignore the big differences happening in our own back yards.

31 posted on 04/04/2013 2:03:48 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Senormechanico

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32 posted on 04/04/2013 7:09:22 PM PDT by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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33 posted on 04/04/2013 7:14:37 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Well, they did grow crops in Greenland, during the MWP (medieval warm period).
I do not recall any reports of the earth drowning then.
The MWP, however, was replaced by the LIA (little ice age).


34 posted on 04/04/2013 7:25:12 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: alancarp
Sea ice in the southern hemisphere is ahead of the multi-year averages... by a larger margin than the northern `deficiency.' In other words, globally speaking (and the enviros all want us to `think globally'), we've got more sea ice than normal.

No. See first chart at http://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/sea-ice-page/

35 posted on 04/05/2013 7:07:48 AM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: hinckley buzzard
This ridiculous screed is, as usual, based on a "computer" model, custom made to deliver the desired outcome. It is not based on any data at all.

That is correct. More likely the increase in open water (caused by ocean warmth, not air warmth) will result in increased snowfall which will not melt but instead push the forests further south.

36 posted on 04/05/2013 7:10:06 AM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: palmer
Actually, yes: on that same website (which was my source also), see these charts:

Northern Hemisphere Sea Ice Anomaly: currently .435 million sq. km below normal
Southern Hemisphere Sea Ice Anomaly: currently .919 million sq. km above normal.

Since .919 > .435, we are indeed above normal. I believe that the red trace on the chart you cited indicates the same point.

37 posted on 04/05/2013 7:49:27 AM PDT by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: alancarp
Ok, the plot does show we are a bit above normal. But the trend of that curve (the one in red) http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg is down.
38 posted on 04/05/2013 9:51:14 AM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: palmer
Only for the past ~ten years - and my point is that we're still at/near normal levels. Were the "findings" of that study valid, you'd expect continually receding levels year over year (i.e., you gotta keep the ice out of the same land areas for multiple years to support "forests"). That's clearly not happening, as the data shows.... at least for the ocean ice.
39 posted on 04/05/2013 10:46:11 AM PDT by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: NormsRevenge
study co-author Pieter Beck, a vegetative ecologist at the Woods Hole Research Center in Massachusetts.

Don't know about now, but way back when I was selling them instrumentation, these guys would do or say anything for grant money.

40 posted on 04/05/2013 10:52:09 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Just what, exactly, is a “vegetative ecologist?


41 posted on 04/05/2013 10:53:33 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: NormsRevenge
Two things to remember about "science" and scientific jargon:

Summertime - the concern is Man-made Global Warming.

Wintertime - the concern is Man-made Climate Change.

And always remember to capitalize either one when expressing results of a "study" or begging for grant money.

42 posted on 04/05/2013 10:55:20 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: Mr. Lucky
Just what, exactly, is a “vegetative ecologist?

vegetative=Bull
ecologist=Shitter

43 posted on 04/08/2013 5:41:51 AM PDT by VRWCarea51
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