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N. Korea approves nuclear strike on US
AFP ^ | 4/3/13 | AFP

Posted on 04/03/2013 1:05:52 PM PDT by illiac

SEOUL — The North Korean army said Thursday it had final approval to launch "merciless" military strikes on the United States, involving the possible use of "cutting-edge" nuclear weapons.

In a statement published by the official KCNA news agency, the General Staff of the Korean People's Army (KPA) said it was formally informing Washington that reckless US threats would be "smashed by... cutting-edge smaller, lighter and diversified nuclear strike means".

"The merciless operation of (our) revolutionary armed forces in this regard has been finally examined and ratified," the statement said.

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TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: dprk; foreign; government; kn08musudan; korea; loons; nationaldefense; nkwar; northkorea; nuclearnk; nuclearweapons; obama; war
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To: swamprebel

I call him Kim3, it rhymes with Kimchee


41 posted on 04/03/2013 2:09:13 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: VanDeKoik
FYI - The Left Coast DOES have conservatives who live there, including me, my wife, three of my four children (one is in the Army at Schoefield Barracks, HA), six of my nine grandchildren, assorted other family members, Jim Robinson and his brother, many other FReepers, etc, etc, etc.

The vitriol I often see on FR, as stated, against people who live on the Left Coast, appears to either forget that we too live here, or suggests we are collateral damage that has no value.

42 posted on 04/03/2013 2:11:13 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: GeronL

good one ;)


43 posted on 04/03/2013 2:11:53 PM PDT by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: illiac
This is a serious matter. Not because North Korea can hit us with a missile (they can't), but because the idiot running that country is an unstable maniac, and his dangerous rhetoric has the potential to trigger military action from one side or the other. If this thing blows up, it will cost thousands, if not millions, of lives before it's all over. Nothing to joke about.

I'm reminded of the movie The Bedford Incident (a classic Cold War movie, and worth renting if you haven't seen it). Without giving away too much of the ending for those who haven't seen the movie, I'll simply observe that the current situation with North Korea could play out in a similar fashion to the closing scene from that film. "Fire one, aye, Captain!"

44 posted on 04/03/2013 2:12:29 PM PDT by JHL
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To: illiac

Heck, Jean “Ready for Doody” Kerie will take care of this.


45 posted on 04/03/2013 2:15:18 PM PDT by jsh3180
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To: illiac

Here’s another what if, since that’s what we’re mostly going on with our own Great Leader at the helm. What if some people in NK (Chinese or Russian string-pullers) are manipulating little-fat-eyes to play this game? Then, when the poop is veritably dangling before the whirring fan blades, little-fat-eyes is taken out of the picture for some reeducation, and NK finally begins joining the real world. Wouldn’t that be a hoot!


46 posted on 04/03/2013 2:17:04 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: JHL
Not because North Korea can hit us with a missile (they can't)

This might be a very dangerous false assumption.

This prof says North Korea’s December 2012 ICBM satellite launch was more advanced than the media and US gov’t sources are saying. Watch his video starting around the 15:00 minutes mark.

“Professor of Astronautics Mike Gruntman uses principles of ASTE 520 Spacecraft Design to look at the North Korea satellite launch on December 12, 2012.”
Video: http://vimeo.com/60007637

Article:
“One does not need technology of 2010s to place a nuclear warhead half a world away…”
http://21stcenturywaves.com/2013/03/28/one-does-not-need-technology-of-2010s-to-place-a-nuclear-warhead-half-a-world-away/

Also see this thread from February:

Understanding North Korea and Iran

And

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-now/?page=all
Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Both North Korean nuclear tests look suspiciously like a Super-EMP weapon. A Super-EMP warhead would have a low yield, like the North Korean device, because it is not designed to create a big explosion, but to convert its energy into gamma rays, that generate the EMP effect. Reportedly South Korean military intelligence concluded, independent of the EMP Commission, that Russian scientists are in North Korea helping develop a Super-EMP warhead. In 2012, a military commentator for the People’s Republic of China stated that North Korea has Super-EMP nuclear warheads.
A Super-EMP warhead would not weigh much, and could probably be delivered by North Korea’s ICBM. The missile does not have to be accurate, as the EMP field is so large that detonating anywhere over the United States would have catastrophic consequences. The warhead does not even need a re-entry vehicle, as an EMP attack entails detonating the warhead at high-altitude, above the atmosphere.
So, as of Dec. 12, North Korea’s successful orbit of a satellite demonstrates its ability to make an EMP attack against the United States — right now.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ar...4#.UTl0ild418H

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North Korea appears to have borrowed more from the Russians than the design of a Super-EMP warhead.
During the Cold War, the USSR experimented with a secret weapon, the Fractional Orbital Bombardment System (FOBS), that used an ICBM like a Space Launch Vehicle to put a nuclear warhead into orbit, like a satellite. Instead of using the ICBM to lob the warhead on a more accurate arcing ballistic trajectory, flying along the shortest range to target, like an artillery shell, the FOBS lofted the warhead into a "fractional" or partial orbit, sacrificing accuracy for limitless range.
FOBS could reach any nation or threaten any target anywhere on Earth.
A Super-EMP warhead does not weigh much, and could probably be delivered by North Korea's Fractional Orbital Bombardment System, successfully tested in December 2012, against any nation on Earth. Thus, North Korea already possesses an ICBM and poses a mortal nuclear threat to the United States, and to all nations on Earth--right now.
North Korea, during the successful test of its ICBM on December 12, 2012, orbited a satellite weighing 100 kilograms (about 200 pounds). One design of a Super-EMP warhead would be a modified neutron bomb, more accurately an Enhanced Radiation Warhead (ERW) because it produces not only many neutrons but also many gamma rays. As noted earlier, gamma rays cause the EMP effect. One U.S. ERW warhead (the W-82) deployed in NATO during the Cold War weighed, including its heavy casing, less than 50 kilograms. Since the EMP attack entails detonating the warhead at high-altitude, above the atmosphere, the warhead does not even need a heavy re-entry vehicle and heat shield.
North Korea's ICBM does not have to be accurate to make an EMP attack against the United States.
The EMP field is so large that detonating anywhere over the U.S. would have catastrophic consequences. North Korea orbited its satellite around the Earth at an altitude of about 500 kilometers. The trajectory of North Korea's satellite is no accident--they deliberately aimed for and achieved this orbit and altitude, as announced before their launch.
An altitude of 500 kilometers would be ideal for making an EMP attack that places the field over the entire lower 48 United States.
North Korea's ICBM, delivering an EMP attack by means of an inaccurate satellite warhead, would likely miss its horizontal aimpoint over the geographic center of the U.S. by tens of kilometers. Bursting the warhead at an altitude of 500 kilometers would compensate for this inaccuracy by creating an EMP field big enough to cover everything. North Korea's satellite did not pass over the United States--but a slight adjustment in its trajectory would have flown it over or near the U.S. bull's eye for a high-altitude EMP burst.
Surprise Attack
The primary purpose of the Fractional Orbital Bombardments System, that North Korea appears to have borrowed from Russia, is to make a surprise nuclear attack. FOBS is stealthy as it can strike from any direction, from unexpected directions, not just from the shortest direction or by using the trajectory that would be normal for an ICBM. Because FOBS looks like a Space Launch Vehicle, not an ICBM making a nuclear attack, this disguise optimizes chances for achieving surprise.
During the Cold War, Moscow experimented with a stealthy way of delivering a nuclear attack on the United States using a Fractional Orbital Bombardment System to elude radar detection. This would entail launching an ICBM southward, away from the United States, so it appears non-threatening, and delivering the warhead like a satellite on a south polar orbit, so the nuclear attack comes at the U.S. from the south.
During the Cold War--and today--the United States has no Ballistic Missile Early Warning Radars or missile interceptors facing south. We would not even see an attack from the south coming.

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One signature of a Super-EMP weapon is that it has a very low explosive yield, just several kilotons, or even less if it is more efficient, because the weapon is converting the energy of the nuclear warhead into gamma rays.
In 2004, the Russian generals told the EMP Commission that North Korea was getting help developing a Super-EMP nuclear weapon from contractors from Russia, China, Pakistan and elsewhere, and could probably test such a weapon "in a few years." A few years later, in 2006, North Korea tested its mysterious "nuclear device" that produced an explosive yield of only several kilotons, and so was derided by the Western press as a failure--but hailed as a success by North Korea.
Independently of the Congressional EMP Commission, South Korean military intelligence several times warned their government, in stories reported in South Korean press, that Russians are in North Korea helping them develop a Super-EMP nuclear warhead. In response, the South Korean government launched projects to harden their military communications and other critical infrastructures.
In 2010, according to some reputable European analysts, radioisotope data indicates North Korea may have conducted two clandestine nuclear tests of a very low yield "nuclear device" of sophisticated fusion design. This is indicative of a weapons program that is very technologically advanced, and consistent with development of a Super-EMP warhead.
In 2012, a military commentator for the People's Republic of China told a Hong Kong journal that North Korea has Super-EMP nuclear warheads.

47 posted on 04/03/2013 2:21:32 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: JHL

I’m not real sure our leader is not similar to theirs....


48 posted on 04/03/2013 2:25:02 PM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: VanDeKoik

Hey! That’s not nice.


49 posted on 04/03/2013 2:25:23 PM PDT by Lou Budvis
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To: illiac

“In 2001, Barack Obama, then a state senator, said flatly: “I don’t agree with a missile-defense system.” Seven years later, during his first presidential campaign, then-senator Obama pledged to slash $10 billion from the Pentagon’s missile-defense budget — about $1 billion more than the U.S. was actually spending on missile defense at the time.”

http://townhall.com/columnists/cliffmay/2013/03/21/the-return-of-missile-defense-n1545101/page/full/


50 posted on 04/03/2013 2:26:12 PM PDT by paterfamilias
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To: illiac

To bad we dont have a REAL leader in the White House.


51 posted on 04/03/2013 2:27:05 PM PDT by bikerman ("A gun is like a parachute. If you need one and don't have it you wont need one again.)
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To: VanDeKoik

“Tip:

Aim for the west coast. Lots of people, and saves on fuel costs.”

Not funny. Not even a little bit.

My son, along with a lot of other Marines is based at Camp Pendelton, not to mention the extensive Navy, Army, and Air Force assets, both human and materiel) on the West Coast.

A native New Yorker who was in Manhattan on 9/11, I am certain that the families and friends of all the innocent people within potential range of that madman’s missles are not at all amused by your comment.


52 posted on 04/03/2013 2:33:22 PM PDT by paterfamilias
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To: AD from SpringBay

Assuming Kim3 is really running the show, a dubious assumption, at what point does someone with a spark of sanity put a bullet in his brain?


53 posted on 04/03/2013 2:34:08 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
This might be a very dangerous false assumption. This prof says North Korea’s December 2012 ICBM satellite launch was more advanced than the media and US gov’t sources are saying....

At this point NK has lost the opportunity for a surprise missile attack. I assume we are watching their launch sites very carefully, and any move to ready a missile for launch will result in a pre-emptive strike by the US or ROK.

Granted if they were to successfully launch an EMP warhead, it would be devastating, but I don't believe they'll get the chance (assuming, as you suggest, they have the capability). More worrisome is the fact that there are 10.5 Million South Korean citizens (and US forces) living in and around Seoul, within artillery range of North Korean batteries. One nuclear armed artillery round would be devastating if it were to strike Seoul -- and that kind of attack could come without warning.

54 posted on 04/03/2013 2:37:42 PM PDT by JHL
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To: GeronL

Indeed - and you have to wonder at the way, presumably, he is telegraphing this deal.


55 posted on 04/03/2013 2:37:43 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: SoldierDad
The vitriol I often see on FR, as stated, against people who live on the Left Coast, appears to either forget that we too live here, or suggests we are collateral damage that has no value.

It's not just the Left Coast. I've read FReepers wishing everything from pestilence to death for everyone here in New England, too. There are lots of conservatives here, just not enough to turn the tide. So I guess the punishment for our lack of numbers is that we are expendable.
56 posted on 04/03/2013 2:39:09 PM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: illiac

April 19th...roughly 2 weeks away. Is that the day the country dies. The first shots of the Revolutionary war in Lexington Mass. was fired on April 19.


57 posted on 04/03/2013 2:40:12 PM PDT by free from tyranny
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To: GeronL
Assuming Kim3 is really running the show, a dubious assumption, at what point does someone with a spark of sanity put a bullet in his brain?

That would be the best way out of this dangerous situation, provided that someone is one of his own generals, and that general can control the aftermath to successfully de-escalate.

58 posted on 04/03/2013 2:41:27 PM PDT by JHL
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To: VanDeKoik; SoldierDad

I live here, too, as do my children. I would prefer to not be wiped out.


59 posted on 04/03/2013 2:46:54 PM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: illiac

Why are they telling us this? Answer: They aren’t planning on nuking us, they want $$$. It’s worked before many times. But I must admit this is the clumsiest saber rattling I’ve ever seen.


60 posted on 04/03/2013 2:49:01 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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