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New Rochelle [NY] War Veterans Protest City's Order to Take Down Gadsden Flag
NBC News NY ^ | March 29, 2013 | Jonathan Vigliotti

Posted on 03/30/2013 8:01:26 AM PDT by Pharmboy

War veterans in New Rochelle are protesting the city's order for the so-called Gadsden flag to be taken down from its post outside the armory. Jonathan Vigliotti reports

War veterans in New Rochelle are protesting the city's order for the so-called Gadsden flag to be taken down from its post outside the armory.

A symbol of pride for the veterans, the flag features a rattlesnake and the words, "Don't tread on me."

"That flag is the first flag of the Continetal Navy," said Peter Parente, president of the United Veterans Memorial. He helped hoist the flag up on March 21 during a ceremony to swap out the tattered American flag.

"Before the red, white and blue stripes of America, that was our American flag," he said. "That was the flag we fought under in the Revolutionary War to have the America we are today."

Not everyone agrees. Mayor Noam Bramson, a Democrat, says the flag has become political in nature after being adopted by the tea party movement. This week, he met with council members who, in an informal vote, decided to take it down Thursday.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnewyork.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: democratnazis; flag; gadsden; gadsdenflag; teaparty
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1 posted on 03/30/2013 8:01:26 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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2 posted on 03/30/2013 8:04:40 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy

Don’t you know that its now a terrorist flag?


3 posted on 03/30/2013 8:05:29 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Pharmboy

We are never going to win with these people like the Mayor by numbers or votes. They have infested our government and society like cockroaches.

We will be fighting these people in the streets one day.


4 posted on 03/30/2013 8:09:06 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Pharmboy
The first time I drove to New York by myself I didn't know which lane to get in at the bridge (and darned if you don't always have to go over a bridge with multiple exits to get there).

While I was hesitating a city worker yelled out, "Do you want a summons?" I thought, "Geez, put that on the license plates."

It works as well on the state line sign: "Welcome to New York. Do you want a summons?"

5 posted on 03/30/2013 8:09:21 AM PDT by x
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To: Georgia Girl 2

We should not ever give up on this one. Our patriots died fighting under this flag...the h*ll with the New Rochelle council.


6 posted on 03/30/2013 8:10:17 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy

Rob and Laura Petrie seemed like such a nice couple. The town library is called the Huguenot Library. Rochelle, France was a Huguenot stronghold. About half the settlers in New Netherlands were Huguenots, they even had their own towns.

New Rochelle today is a dump. Just not as bad as the neighboring Bronx.


7 posted on 03/30/2013 8:11:18 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: Pharmboy
This week, he met with council members who, in an informal vote, decided to take it down Thursday.

I wonder if that 'informal vote' violated any open meeting laws.

8 posted on 03/30/2013 8:12:16 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: Gaffer

That’s a grim view, but you may be right.


9 posted on 03/30/2013 8:12:53 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Gaffer

You are one of the few that has grasped the truth. They are so perverting our electoral process that they have almost become entrenched. It is still not too late but will soon become so.


10 posted on 03/30/2013 8:13:03 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

The Huguenots were BIG believers in the IInd Amendment. They understood the dangers of central government.


11 posted on 03/30/2013 8:13:29 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: Pharmboy
That's fine. Take it down. And hoist the Bedford Flag in it's place...

...that's what it's coming to, after all.

12 posted on 03/30/2013 8:14:30 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Pharmboy

‘Or what?’ might be the question to ask. It’s a beautiful flag.


13 posted on 03/30/2013 8:18:07 AM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Pharmboy

“Or what?” and ‘Says who?’


14 posted on 03/30/2013 8:18:42 AM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: bboop

Yep...be great to see a line of veterans from all over the area standing there not allowing the town to remove the flag.


15 posted on 03/30/2013 8:20:08 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy

They will not stop until they have removed everything that pertains to the once proud country we live in.
As a side note we will be having a 2A rally in Belvidere N.J. (Warren County) at the courthouse on Sunday April 14th
at 10 AM.


16 posted on 03/30/2013 8:22:50 AM PDT by certrtwngnut (')
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To: Pharmboy
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17 posted on 03/30/2013 8:23:29 AM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (<= Mash name for HTML Xampp PHP C JavaScript primer. Programming for everyone.)
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To: Pharmboy

At one time, New Rochelle was a very nice place to live. Then they put in the housing projects. Now you are best advised never to visit there.


18 posted on 03/30/2013 8:24:00 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

Indeed...aside from where Rob and Laura Petrie lived (”The Dick van Dyke Show”), it was also featured in the lyrics to “Happy to Keep His Dinner Warm” from the original Broadway production of “How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying.” [Very un-PC lyrics for now]

New Rochelle, New Rochelle,
That’s the place where the mansion will be
For me and the darling bright young man
I’ve picked out for marrying me.

He’ll do well, I can tell,
So it isn’t a moment too soon
To plan on my life in New Rochelle,
The wife of my darling tycoon.

I’ll be so happy to keep his dinner warm
While he goes onward and upward;
Happy to keep his dinner warm
Till he comes wearily home from down town.

I’ll be there waiting until his mind is clear
While he looks through me, right through me;
Waiting to say, “Good evening, dear.
I’m pregnant. What’s new with you from down town?”

Oh, to be loved by a man I respect;
To bask in the glow of his perfectly understandable neglect.
Oh, to belong in the aura of his frown—darling busy frown.
Such heaven—wearing the wifely uniform
While he goes onward and upward.
Happy to keep his dinner warm
Till he comes wearily home from down town.


19 posted on 03/30/2013 8:30:32 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy
Mayor Noam Bramson, a Democrat, says the flag has become political in nature...

If that's his reasoning, and if that reasoning prevails, no flag can fly. They're all "political in nature."

20 posted on 03/30/2013 8:33:12 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Democrats--the party of Evil. Republicans--the party of Stupid.)
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To: Pharmboy
i do believe this was the first Navy Jack

21 posted on 03/30/2013 8:33:29 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode
Yes...I believe you are correct. The Gadsden was used by the Marines in 1775. This is from Wiki:

At the Congress, Continental Colonel Christopher Gadsden represented his home state of South Carolina. He was one of seven members of the Marine Committee who were outfitting the first naval mission.[6]

Before the departure of that first mission in December 1775, the newly appointed commander-in-chief of the Navy, Commodore Esek Hopkins, received the yellow rattlesnake flag from Gadsden to serve as the distinctive personal standard of his flagship. It was displayed at the mainmast.[6]

Gadsden also presented a copy of this flag to the Congress of South Carolina in Charleston, South Carolina. This was recorded in the South Carolina congressional journals on February 9, 1776.

22 posted on 03/30/2013 8:39:10 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Don’t you know that its now a terrorist flag?

Well, vets are now the new terrorists. Welcome to al Amerika.

23 posted on 03/30/2013 8:46:39 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Pharmboy

The irony here is that New Rochelle is the hometown for Thomas Paine, who wrote Common Sense which fermented the ideas for our American Revolution. In fact there is a statue of Paine accros the street from New Rochelle HS. If the reporter had done some research or had driven around she could have discovered the rich history New Rochelle has as its origins are from the Hugeonots, who left France for religious freedom. But that is expecting too much from today’s politicians or MSM.

btw, I dont live in NR. did 60ys ago but have since left to more patriotic lands.


24 posted on 03/30/2013 8:50:57 AM PDT by tomd2
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To: Pharmboy

25 posted on 03/30/2013 8:54:33 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: tomd2

Thanks for this interesting and appropriate tidbit. When you were there, it was a lovely town.


26 posted on 03/30/2013 8:55:24 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Ha...nice one.


27 posted on 03/30/2013 8:57:04 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy

New Rochelle motto: Do tread on me.


28 posted on 03/30/2013 9:03:26 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: Pharmboy

Tell them how stupid they are:

http://www.newrochelleny.com/directory.aspx


29 posted on 03/30/2013 9:09:44 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Joe 6-pack

The Bedford Flag is on display in Bedford town hall. Said to be the oldest “American” flag, much to the chagrin of certain elements of the community. For reference, Bedford lies between Lexington and Concord. The Bedford Minutemen would have marched west to Concord to meet the British at the Old North Bridge, and then with Minutemen from the surrounding communities harassed the Red Coats on their long march back east through Bedford and Lexington to Boston.


30 posted on 03/30/2013 9:12:41 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: Pharmboy

between age 2yo to 4yo, 1952-1954. my father’s business was there and it was the Petrie’s lifestyle. Many famous people lived there. then the riots of the 60’s and the city changed.


31 posted on 03/30/2013 9:12:57 AM PDT by tomd2
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To: Gaffer

“We will be fighting these people in the streets one day.”
May God speed the day.


32 posted on 03/30/2013 9:13:15 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: tomd2

Rochelle, France was a Huguenot stronghold. The New Rochelle town library is the Huguenot Library. My Huguenot descended father was born in Mount Vernon, next door. Half the settlers in New Netherlands were Huguenots. The Huguenots, based on bitter experience, were big advocates of the IInd Amendment.


33 posted on 03/30/2013 9:17:14 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: certrtwngnut

Correction on the time for the Belvidere,N.J. 2A rally on April 14th.
The correct time is 2-4 PM.


34 posted on 03/30/2013 9:17:48 AM PDT by certrtwngnut (')
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
I'm quite familiar with the history...

...I've made several of them :-)


35 posted on 03/30/2013 9:25:23 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

agreed. I learned my Hugenot history from my grandmother, when she took me to the Schwartz ice cream parlor which had painted murals of the Hugenots settling NR. My father grew up in Mount vernon on California rd. It is ashame what has happened to that city too.
NR has some high rise Trump towers now. not sure how successful they have been.


36 posted on 03/30/2013 9:26:56 AM PDT by tomd2
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

It’s getting close to being the Bronx. It’s leftist mayor, Noam Bramson, is a big Agenda 21 supporter and has raised taxes for the past few years. He’s also a candidate for county executive.

It’s a shame. The city is full of history.

Hope the vets make this a big issue.


37 posted on 03/30/2013 9:27:01 AM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: Pharmboy

“Mayor Noam Bramson, a Democrat, says the flag has become political in nature after being adopted by the tea party movement.”

That’s too damn bad, Mr. Mayor!

The Veterans have every right to fly that flag, and YOU have no authority to decide otherwise.


38 posted on 03/30/2013 9:35:12 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Pharmboy

Pretty sad, the state of affairs my family’s original Hometown in Amerca is in. Drake St. ain’t what it used to be that’s for sure. Tom Paine & Norman Rockwell are rolling in their graves for sure.


39 posted on 03/30/2013 9:43:31 AM PDT by docman57 (Retired but still on Duty)
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To: Pharmboy

“Not everyone agrees. Mayor Noam Bramson, a Democrat, says the flag has become political in nature ...”

This is the definition of a non sequiter. Sheesh! Historical fact is historical fact. PERIOD.


40 posted on 03/30/2013 10:11:03 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Gaffer

“We are never going to win with these people like the Mayor by numbers or votes. They have infested our government and society like cockroaches.

We will be fighting these people in the streets one day.”

It’s time to go asymmetrical on these thugs.


41 posted on 03/30/2013 10:12:33 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: tomd2

I grew up next to newtochelle. This entire state sucks.


42 posted on 03/30/2013 10:14:33 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave ofo attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: TalBlack

Isn’t the Stars & Stripes a flag which is political in nature?


43 posted on 03/30/2013 10:34:17 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Pharmboy

When the democrats decided to remove God or any reference to Our Creator at their 2012 convention. They also demonstrated they are no longer the democratic party of your father’s father. They have become a hyphenated radical unit and should be known as Demo-Coms dedicated to the establishment of a collective idealism using the device of PCP to modify behavior and shed beliefs that they believe would impede remaking their concept of the perfect utopian state. That is hardly democratic because the word democrat idealizes the individual voice.

But Rove, GOPES (GOP Elite Snobs) and RINOS lack the capacity or the understanding or the courage to point to the historic radicalization that occured at that moment and use it politically. Worse yet they are unable to forthrightly defend what the demo-coms have set out to destroy and some are even comming up with their own version of PCP . Anyone preaching PCP is going down the poisonous road to oblivion . Following a policy of PCP. Politically Correct Politics which the hyphenated democrat party, the Demo-Coms,is using is flat out wrong.Worse yet moral questions such as marriage, sexual practices, family constituency and particularly beliefs those of containing Judeo Christian tenets are being assulted and not defended. That offers a majority of voters no choice in the direction this country is to take.

PCP when used by the Demo-Coms such terms as: Afro-American, Hispanic-American, Asian-American, White-American, Rich-American ,Gay-American, are more than simply nouns but vehicles used to separate US from each other. Beside separating US from our money the Demo-Coms demand we become adhearents to a system without the constituional constraints on government. Thus surrendering our protections from governmental abuses and excessive bureacracy to the will of a bureaucratic collective which is no longer answerable to the average citizen.

Sadly for the Republicans God remains in Limbo

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44 posted on 03/30/2013 11:21:15 AM PDT by mosesdapoet ("It's a sin to tell a lie", in telling others that , got me my nickname .Ex Chi" mechanic"ret)
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To: Pharmboy
Not everyone agrees. Mayor Noam Bramson, a Democrat, says the flag has become political in nature after being adopted by the tea party movement.

Mayor Noam Bramson is correct. The Gadsden Flag is a clear political statement opposing treason. Since the Democrats stand for treason, it's a clear anti-democrat statement. I don't have a problem with that.

45 posted on 03/30/2013 11:38:02 AM PDT by Pollster1
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To: Pharmboy
The caption under the picture in the story reads:


War veterans in New Rochelle are protesting the city's order for the so-called Gadsden flag to be taken down from its post outside the armory. Jonathan Vigliotti reports.

Is the Gadsden Flag "so-called?" Isn't that the name that the flag was given throughout its history from its designer? I guess Christopher Gadsden was so-called by his parents, too.

Is this the "new journalism" where so-called journalists use the phrase "so-called" to demean anything they want, with no basis on whether something's name is historical and appropriate or not?

-PJ

46 posted on 03/30/2013 11:50:15 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Pharmboy
Not everyone agrees. Mayor Noam Bramson, a Democrat, says the flag has become political in nature after being adopted by the tea party movement.

Hmmmmmm.....maybe the Tea Party can begin adopting all the Democratic symbols and really throw them into a tizzy...

47 posted on 03/30/2013 11:58:05 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Pharmboy

Only forty-five minutes from Broadway
Think of the changes it brings
For the short time it takes
What a diff'rence it makes
In the ways of the people and things

Oh, what a fine bunch of reubens
Oh, what a jay atmosphere
They have whiskers like hay
And imagine Broadway
Only forty-five minutes from here


-PJ

48 posted on 03/30/2013 12:02:57 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Yes...I choked on that when I saw it too.


49 posted on 03/30/2013 12:04:40 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy
Here's the whole story on the battle between the veterans and Mayor Noam Bramson.

From the link to the official site of the New Rochelle Armory:


October 3, 2012

The New Rochelle City Council has held an “unofficial” vote to deny the New Rochelle Veterans an opportunity to put together a development package for the New Rochelle Armory after we, along with the Save Our Armory Committee, spent 10 years working to save the building from destruction. The development rights were awarded instead to friends and donors of New Rochelle Mayor Noam Bramson.

We have had enough of the Mayor and his cronies mortgaging our heritage and our future for the benefit of his political career.

[snip]

Ever since becoming Mayor in 2006, Noam Bramson has claimed that development at Echo Bay was not economically viable so long as the New Rochelle Armory stood.

Bramson orchestrated a cynical policy to intentionally neglect even the most basic maintenance of the building. Under his stewardship, such as it was, a multi-million public asset has been looted and pillaged — murals destroyed, military artifacts stolen, a gaping hole in the roof opened — and left open — to allow water to pour into the people’s building with each passing storm.

Not content with simply neglecting the building, Bramson has been the loudest voice in the City demanding the absolute destruction of the Armory. In 2010, he conspired with New York State Assemblyman George Latimer in a cowardly attempt to sneak a bill through the state legislature late one Friday night that would have allowed Bramson to level the Armory the following week.

At every step of the way, New Rochelle Veterans and the Save Our Armory group, volunteers all, have worked tirelessly for more than a decade to fight Mayor Bramson’s repeated attempts to dismantle and sweep away the Armory. The more the Mayor acted to destroy the building, the harder these New Rochelle heroes fought. The harder they fought the more bitter became the Mayor’s attacks — not just on the idea of saving the Armory but in personal attacks on the individuals involved. Where hundreds of New Rochelle residents came together to fight for a principal — saving a valuable public asset with a special meaning to the community — the Mayor made the fight about his own ego and his own personal political benefit — advancing a pet project at the behest of deep-pocketed political donors who lined his pockets for many thousands of dollars.

With this history, it is not difficult to imagine the reaction of our Veterans and those that stood with them, the Save Our Armory Group and their supporters as they were forced to listen as Mayor Noam Bramson, pounding his fist on a table for emphasis, declare two weeks ago his unbridle enthusiasm for the result of “our” efforts to to save the New Rochelle Armory, crediting himself while cynically expressing his supposed appreciation for the work of the Veterans and Save Our Armory.

The Mayor’s accomplishment?

An unscheduled, unexpected 5-2 party line vote, awarding development rights the Armory to his political donors and family friends so they can acquire the building at little or no cost and convert the building into a facility for the benefit of a for-profit entity — a gaggle of North End cronies who could not have found the Armory with a GPS system, a compass and a map until the Mayor offered it to them on silver platter.

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More at the link regarding the New Rochelle Veterans plans to use the facility as a performing arts center, and the mayor's efforts to scuttle their plans and misuse scheduling authority to undermine their efforts.

The flying of the Gadsden Flag by the veterans was to protest the strong-arm tactics of the mayor to take the property away from them and hand it over to his family members and cronies for his own profit.

It's sort of like how Nancy Pelosi maneuvered to have the Navy's Treasure Island taken and given to her family's construction companies for development.

-PJ

50 posted on 03/30/2013 12:23:53 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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