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The Secret Republican Plan to Repeal 'Obamacare'
National Journal ^ | 3/28/13 | Chris Frates

Posted on 03/28/2013 6:10:14 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper

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To: Yosemitest
I believe Sen Ted Cruz wrote the amendment SA 30, and yes, he voted for it. On Passage of the Bill (H.R. 933 As Amended ) Sen Ted Cruz voted Nay. I hope you appreciate the time it took me to find this.

How did Senator Cruz vote on Cloture?

51 posted on 03/28/2013 8:24:37 PM PDT by Kennard
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To: Diogenesis

So how will members of Congress’ dependents get their medical insurance through FEHB?


52 posted on 03/28/2013 8:29:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: okie01

“How do they not fund it...if there is no budget?”

The gov. continues to run on the continuing resolution, all the House had to do was not include obamacare in the CR. The cowards in the House leadership screwed the American people that put them in power and sided with obama.

“Obamacare expenditures are built into the Current Services Baseline which, if there is no agreed upon Congressional budget, automatically funds expenditures. > So long as the Senate and the House do not agree upon a budget — and the appropriation bills are not signed by the President — Obamacare is on autopilot and there is little the House can do about it.”

What fools what sign on to a deal such as that...?

“Other than shut down the government — which the ‘Pubbies are not prepared to do — because they can’t trust the President to manage the money and not default on our debt (or cease writing Social Security checks or cease paying the military their wages, etc.)”

Duh...! Who can trust the Republicans, they are just as corrupt as the dems...! Fine, let him default, then impeach the sorry piece of trash. All the things you mention aren’t negatives, I say let the communist hang himself. I’d dare him to cut those checks.

“The fact that the Democrat Senate has not brought forth a budget for four years is not by accident. They knew they would lose the House in 2010, so they set up a circumstance that essentially chained the Republican House to the status quo ante.”

Sometimes you have to play the hand you are dealt. Grow some and challenge this communist in the WH and those communist in the congress. Surrender is not the answer. Force obama’s hand, force Reid’s hand.


53 posted on 03/28/2013 8:54:14 PM PDT by swampfox101 (l)
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To: Diogenesis
Not sure what you are smoking, but the GOP has NO INTEREST in stopping ObamaCARE

Actually, I don't smoke anything but even in my hallucinogenic free state I have a hard time understanding how anyone who profess staunch opposition to Obomacare could think that tearing down the very people who unanimously opposed the offending program will accomplish anything. In some twisted logic, the republicans became the villains. It is only in fairy tails that you get to wave a magic wand and make everything right. In the real world you have to deal with reality.

55 posted on 03/28/2013 9:02:19 PM PDT by etcb
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To: Nebr FAL owner

Please cool it with the graphic language.
Thanks.


56 posted on 03/28/2013 9:23:35 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Kennard
Sen Ted Cruz ( R TX) voted Nay “cloture”,
On Passage of the Bill (H.R. 933 As Amended ) Sen Ted Cruz voted Nay.

You know, you can look these votes up yourself, and in turn, appear to be a lot more helpful.
57 posted on 03/28/2013 9:37:29 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: tanknetter

Your ideas have merit but require a unified, clear communications plan for success in the mid-term. The GOP has done a poor job of pinning the responsibility for our lack of budget all these last 4 years squarely where it belongs, with Obama, Reid and Pelosi (1st 2 years). The Obamacare debacle rests all with the Democrats as does the downgraded credit rating, persistent unemployment rates and most recently, Sequester.

Secondly, after explaining the problem, they need to communicate the solution. Sequester is blowing up in Obama’s face. He’s looking for ways to make it hurt to save his pathetic ass. Spending cuts, tax and regulation reductions, support of state’s rights, all are critical. Gingrich communicated with great success in ‘94. We need that voice in ‘14. Who will it be?


58 posted on 03/28/2013 9:43:33 PM PDT by untwist
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To: swampfox101
Fine, let him default, then impeach the sorry piece of trash.

You actually think impeachment would go anywhere?

59 posted on 03/28/2013 10:45:17 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I would like to see a bit of deception attached to an otherwise relatively benign piece of legislation that requires reconciliation - as the final compromise is drafted, a decent American in Congress, even an aide, could insert one sentence that repeals ObamaCare. No one reads these bills in detail, especially not when they come back from committee. Obama would sign it too, and then we are closer to restoring freedom than we have been since the socialist took power.

We can’t fight the massive sleaze and corruption of the far left effectively and still follow Marquess of Queensberry rules. The best part is that this would not require McCain, Boehner, Romney, or any other “leader” to do something difficult like stand up for the Constitution. All it would require is a single staffer willing to take advantage of the laziness of our corrupt ruling class.


60 posted on 03/29/2013 2:01:29 AM PDT by Pollster1
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To: muawiyah

You are correct. The poster you’ve addressed is fanatical regarding the subject. No use of logic, however forceful, will convince a fanatic against his or her delusion.

We have to be wise as serpents regarding our dealings with the weasels in the liberal world. Some of us realize that. Others do not.


61 posted on 03/29/2013 2:25:47 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper
For instance, 40 percent of the public still believes the law includes “death panels.”

That's a bizarre thing to say. Of course it includes death panels. Committees which will determine what medical procedures can be used, and who can qualify to receive those procedures. Our health is in the hands of unelected, cold-hearted, influence-peddling bureaucrats.

62 posted on 03/29/2013 2:41:32 AM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Weasel Zippers: Scouring the bowels of the internet

Medicare And Medicaid To Consider Paying For Sex-Change Surgery…

http://weaselzippers.us/


63 posted on 03/29/2013 7:50:42 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: SoFloFreeper
Uh, I think "ravening wolves" might be a better comparision of the VILE left, than "the weasels in the liberal world."
Just a suggestion.

Now, let me show you something. In short, the GOP is full of VILE members who'll sell us out in a heartbeat!
64 posted on 03/29/2013 11:04:59 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: what's up
Defunding will not be enough...you need to replace it with something like tort reform, tax credits, HSA provisions all of which you will not get with a dem controlled senate. I’d rather win with a longer term strategy than with a Pyrrhic victory just so I can feel good for a day.

Excuse the expression, but Bullsh!t.

Somebody needs to get and grab some gonads and make this crap go away.

65 posted on 03/29/2013 2:54:02 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: elkfersupper

False...you remove all the funding while the laws remain in place and you end up with no recovery in private healthcare either. Not too brainy.


66 posted on 03/29/2013 3:47:35 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up
False...you remove all the funding while the laws remain in place and you end up with no recovery in private healthcare either. Not too brainy.

False......get rid of the whole thing and you don't have to nibble around the edges.

Anybody with gonads can see that.

67 posted on 03/29/2013 3:57:33 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: elkfersupper

So why would you think defunding it would get rid
of the law?
You need a few brains not just gonads.


68 posted on 03/29/2013 4:09:17 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up
You need a few brains not just gonads.

The people who theoretically had "brains" and practically no gonads got us all into this mess.

Now you want to "out-think" the people with brains, but no gonads?

Give me a break.

69 posted on 03/29/2013 4:13:13 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: elkfersupper

I noticed you still haven’t provided an answer to what to do when the health law is still in place after you’ve defunded it. Can your gonads come up with an answer?


70 posted on 03/29/2013 5:23:25 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Yosemitest
Sen Ted Cruz ( R TX) voted Nay “cloture”

Thank you.

A cloture vote, which requires sixty Yeas to pass, is often the true test of a Senator's opposition to a bill, since many Senators are "allowed" to vote Nay on the bill itself, which only require fifty Yeas plus the Vice President to pass, to give themselves political cover.

71 posted on 03/29/2013 6:05:31 PM PDT by Kennard
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To: Kennard
When you want to research a certain vote, find the bill's designation letters and number, and the date it was voted on,
then use that to find the recorded vote, and then look for the member you want to know how voted.

I like "Dogpile.com" search engine because it doesn't bury you with too many garbage links.
72 posted on 03/30/2013 1:16:16 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

Thank you, Yosemitest.


73 posted on 03/31/2013 12:02:13 AM PDT by Kennard
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To: okie01

No.

The Republicans have got to stand and face Obama eventually. If the current leadership continually bends over and continues to kiss Obama’s butt and give him what he wants, soon they will have NO PARTY to lead.

Grow a backbone and close down the government.


74 posted on 03/31/2013 3:19:54 AM PDT by swampfox101 (l)
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To: okie01

“”Obamacare expenditures are built into the Current Services Baseline which, if there is no agreed upon Congressional budget, automatically funds expenditures. > So long as the Senate and the House do not agree upon a budget — and the appropriation bills are not signed by the President — Obamacare is on autopilot and there is little the House can do about it.

Other than shut down the government — which the ‘Pubbies are not prepared to do — because they can’t trust the President to manage the money and not default on our debt (or cease writing Social Security checks or cease paying the military their wages, etc.)

The fact that the Democrat Senate has not brought forth a budget for four years is not by accident. They knew they would lose the House in 2010, so they set up a circumstance that essentially chained the Republican House to the status quo ante.””

The Republicans are gonna have to learn to lead or get out the way. All the things you wrote may or may not but true but that doesn’t matter. The law means absolutely nothing to the communist, liberals, progressives and democrats. They just ignore the law of the land and pass what they want and that’s what they did with obamacare.

Obamacare is illegal because it is unconstitutional but that doesn’t matter to these people. They went out and either forced, bribed, threatened, or bought off a corrupt and treasonous sitting supreme court judge. What did the Republican party do....? Absolutely nothing....! They rolled over like a bunch of whipped puppies and did nothing.

Where were the calls from any Republican asking for an investigation into the treasonous acts of justice Roberts and the others on the court that joined him in breaking the supreme law of the land? Not one stepped forward and asked for the resignation of any of those corrupt judges.

What has the leadership and the Republican party done since this “unconstitutional” mandate has been passed and rule upon...? They have done nothing but whine, moan, wring their hands and say we can doe nothing. The law is the law they say.

Well I say we gotta learn to play to win as the communist in the WH do along with their comrades in the democratic party.

Just ignore obamacare, don’t implement it. That’s what obama and the democrats do when the constitution gets in the way. Lets just pretend obamacare doesn’t exist, don’t fund it, ignore the budget that was past that contained obamacare as if it never happened. Let’s play their game. If they wana be a nation of laws, let them obey them. If they can ignore the law and pass and unconstitutional health mandate, we can just ignore it.

The Republican House ought to produce its on budget, bring it forth, present it to the American people. Let if totally ignore and defund obamacare and let the communist in the White House and the congress scream. And, when they do, just ignore them. That’s what they do to Republicans and the American people. The just ignore us, pass what they want, and then find and handful of corrupt treasonous judges to go along with them. We can do the same. If they want to be a nation of laws, then teach them they will not get away with ignoring it. If the wanna be a nation with laws based on men, then let them know we can play the game as good as they can.


75 posted on 03/31/2013 10:05:41 AM PDT by swampfox101 (l)
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