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To: mountainlion

Did she really go to school? She should know that the Mormons have fought multiple times on multiple wives.
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Did you really go to school? You should know that the Mormons have not practiced polygamy for over 100 years, and it is an excommunicate-able offense.

cue the anti Mormon patrol in 3...2...1...


26 posted on 03/27/2013 1:32:53 PM PDT by Ripliancum (Mosiah 29:27. Look it up.)
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To: Ripliancum
cue the anti Mormon patrol in 3...2...1..

There are splinter groups that want polygamy and they were called poligs or something. The muslims want several wives to I expect that polygamy will come back through Obama.

31 posted on 03/27/2013 1:38:56 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Ripliancum

If ‘gay’ marriage is allowed, it re-opens the door for all other ‘marriages’... Man and dog - women and 500 illegal aliens - man and 20 wives... really, if the State can’t define marriage between a man and a woman - then they can’t define it... PERIOD.


34 posted on 03/27/2013 1:40:36 PM PDT by GOPJ (DHS HAS secured: 1.6 BILLION bullets - 2.700 tanks and 35,000 drones ...to use on American soil...)
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To: Ripliancum

“You should know that the Mormons have not practiced polygamy for over 100 years, and it is an excommunicate-able offense.”

It was only banned in the LDS church in response to state pressure, so if that pressure was removed, do you really believe that they would not resume the practice?


74 posted on 03/27/2013 2:59:11 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Ripliancum; mountainlion; Graybeard58; 1010RD; All
Did you really go to school? You should know that the Mormons have not practiced polygamy for over 100 years, and it is an excommunicate-able offense. [Mormon poster Ripliancum]

Then, tell us why Rip...most of the 200+ Lds men who took on additional plural wives after 1890 -- in the 1890-1910 period -- were not ex-communicated?

It was because of this post by Ripliancum -- and this post alone -- that I just took the time to post this new thread:

Solemn Covenant: The Mormon Polygamous Passage [Book lists almost 500 Lds in post-manifesto unions]

Here is what I said I post #1 of that thread...and shame on Ripliancum for his misleading comment:

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From the BYU review article: The book began as an attempt to explain why ALMOST HALF OF THE LATTER-DAY SAINT CHURCH'S TOP AUTHORITIES, ALONG WITH MORE THAN TWO HUNDRED OTHER MEN, took plural wives after the 1890 Manifesto. Hardy soon realized that a full understanding of polygamy's protracted demise (1890–1911) required consideration of its equally prolonged birth (1831–52) and of the periods when Mormons practiced it openly (1852–85) or in hiding (1885–90) under federal pressure to abandon it. Thus, the first three chapters treat the Church's efforts to make a plurality of wives as much a part of its patriarchal theology as a plurality of gods. As a historian of ideas, Hardy places this attempt in the context of a little-known current of early modern Western thought that favored polygamy over monogamy.

I have this book by B. Carmon Hardy. I've looked at Hardy's appendix: He lists 220 Mormon men who took

ADDITIONAL PLURAL WIVES...

...BETWEEN October 10 --> 2010


(Note the Lds "prophet" "manifesto" which supposedly was to halt new polygamous arrangements was "binding" as of October 6, 1890).

Note: These 220 men took about 275 additional plural wives during that 20-year period. (Almost half of these men already had -- at my count -- about 112 plural wives between them before the manifesto...so the overall average was almost three wives per man).

About HALF of the 220 men Hardy lists in his appendix -- 109 to be exact -- were monogamists when the 1890 "Manifesto" was passed. IoW, they weren't used to a "polygamous lifestyle" -- and had NO reason to take on a second, third, fourth, fifth wives -- with the "manifesto" in place.

The 220 men who took on 275 ADDITIONAL wives broke down, year-wise, as:
1910: 5
1909: 10
1908: 3
1907: 6
1906: 4
1905: 4
1904: 20
1903: 39 [this was the year Lds "prophet" Joseph F. Smith had to "lay down" Manifesto II to tell the Mormons to "stop" polygamy]
1902: 28
1901: 33
1900: 21
1899: 9
1898: 20
1897: 15
1896: 4
1895: 5
1894: 12
1893: 3
1892: 6
1891: 3
1890 between Oct. 10-->Dec: 8
TOTAL: 275 women initiated among 220 men

And precisely because over 100 additional unions were done in the 20th century, some of these plural unions did not die out until the late 1950s, with two possible families, the early 1960s.

From the BYU review article: Hardy clearly agrees with Apostle Marriner W. Merrill's 1891 view: "'I do Not believe the Manifesto was a revelation from God but was formulated by Prest. Woodruff and endorsed by His Councilors and the Twelve Apostles for expediency to meet the present situation of affairs in the Nation or those against the Church.'" (150).

(Well, ya know what this means...it means that IF D&C 132 is "correct" -- in a "revelation" that opened the door for Mormon polygamy...then there's BEEN NO "revelation" to really "shut it." It's just all for socio-political expediency...says both an Lds past "apostle"...and, in effect, this BYU source!!!

And, what this also means is that the fLDS are the "only" true keepers of Joseph Smith polygamous orthodoxy! (And here we thought the Mormon fundamentalists were the "offshoot"!!!)

Why is this being posted?

Because SOME MORMONS KEEP INSISTING THAT MORMON POLYGAMY DIED OUT IN 1890!


86 posted on 03/27/2013 4:52:19 PM PDT by Colofornian (If BoM is everlasting gospel, why no god as exalted man, 3 glorious degrees, men becoming gods, etc?)
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To: Ripliancum; mountainlion; Elsie; All
[To mountainlion]: Did you really go to school? You should know that the Mormons have not practiced polygamy for over 100 years, and it is an excommunicate-able offense. [Mormon poster Ripliancum]

If you go to this Lds "general authorities chart" General Authorities chart I believe the "Quorum of the Twelve" Lds "apostles" are ranked in the order selected:
After Boyd K. Packer, the next three "apostles" -- Dallin Oaks, L. Tom Perry, and Russell M. Nelson -- all have something in common: "All three men are widowers, and all three men have been 'sealed' to a second wife."
Source:

What is "Celestial Polygamy"? [Mainstream Mormons say polygamy still occurring near Kolobian colony]

Now what does this have to do with Rip's comment?

(1) Oaks, Perry, and Nelson have been sealed to TWO wives in the Mormon temple "for eternity." This means, that since Lds teach that "marriage is forever," this trio of Mormon "apostles" -- with likely other Lds "general authorities" to follow -- will become "eternal polygamists" upon death...well, if you believe Mormon doctrine, that is.

And yet, Rip insists that Mormons aren't practicing polygamy...well I guess the "qualifier" for Rip is: "only on the Kolob colony" -- eh, Rip?

(2) Almost HALF of all Lds leaders in the late 19th century were practicing polygamists...Have they stopped practicing that, Rip?

(3) The mainline Mormons didn't have an Lds "prophet" who wasn't a polygamist until the 1940s!!! (Have they all stopped practicing polygamy, Rip???)

(4) Deceased Lds "apostle" Bruce McConkie, in his raved-about book, Mormon Doctrine, (raved about by Lds Ensign Mag & Lds Church News in McConkie's obit), assured Mormons that polygamy as a "holy practice" would resume when the Mormon jesus returned to earth.

(I guess the Mormon leaders would then have to ex-communicate the Mormon jesus then, eh Rip?)

97 posted on 03/27/2013 5:28:28 PM PDT by Colofornian (If BoM is everlasting gospel, why no god as exalted man, 3 glorious degrees, men becoming gods, etc?)
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To: Ripliancum
You should know that the Mormons have not practiced polygamy for over 100 years, and it is an excommunicate-able offense.

Wink-wink.


It is STILL on the books and MORMONism teachs that it WILL be the case in Heaven: Level Three.

117 posted on 03/27/2013 7:15:18 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ripliancum
cue the anti Mormon patrol in 3...2...1...

Still goin' for the personal; aye Rip?

118 posted on 03/27/2013 7:16:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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