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Indiana Supreme Court upholds broadest US school voucher program, clears way for expansion
WAPO ^ | 3-26-13 | ap

Posted on 03/26/2013 8:06:57 AM PDT by TurboZamboni

INDIANAPOLIS — The Indiana Supreme Court on Tuesday upheld the law creating the nation’s broadest school voucher program, clearing the way for a possible expansion.

In a 5-0 vote, the justices rejected claims that the law primarily benefited religious institutions that run private schools and accepted arguments that it gave families choice and allowed parents to determine where the money went.

The Indiana case has received national attention because the program has wide eligibility. Middle-class families are allowed to participate in Indiana, while in most states, such programs are limited to low-income families or those in failing schools.

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1 posted on 03/26/2013 8:06:57 AM PDT by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni

They don’t want to give parents a choice because the parents will “self-select” into segregated

“give a damn about my kids”
and
“don’t give a damn about my kids”

schools.


2 posted on 03/26/2013 8:08:23 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: TurboZamboni

I hope one of the arguments was the current public shool monopoly is failing to actually educate our children


3 posted on 03/26/2013 8:09:28 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: MrB
there is another reason people oppose this which is never talked about.

Those already sending their kids to private schools (even though they would seemingly benefit a lot financially) might be opposed for the following reasons:

1 - Government vouchers will drive up the costs of a private education thus eliminating the most positive benefit (simple supply and demand). Which is exactly what has driven the cost of college through the roof in the last decade or two as government loans and grants have flooded US colleges.

2 - Private schools would be flooded with the rude, ill-behaved, liberally indoctrinated, feral children that private school parents were so desperate to keep their children away from to being with.

4 posted on 03/26/2013 8:17:17 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Good news; I hope it spreads.


5 posted on 03/26/2013 8:23:44 AM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

The government probably wouldn’t allow this,
but the solution to the unruly kids ruining a school is simple -

kick ‘em out.

If the parents want their kids to be in a school where they have been warned about their behavior, the parents will be sure the kid shapes up.

Again, though, the government wouldn’t allow this. Liberalism is all about there being no consequences for behavior.


6 posted on 03/26/2013 8:30:10 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: TurboZamboni

Public schools are redistribution of wealth, and they are the ultimate propaganda machines. I can think of no thing that is so evil.


7 posted on 03/26/2013 8:44:42 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: TurboZamboni

The real question is why government is involved in education in the first place. Even conservatives aren’t asking that question.


8 posted on 03/26/2013 8:55:52 AM PDT by lurk
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To: TexasFreeper2009

It runs that risk. I’d like to know if it is indexed for inflation, at or below the cost of the average private school cost, and if there is any incentive on the part of the parent to “save” money.

Also, what happens to home schoolers?


9 posted on 03/26/2013 9:02:58 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: lurk

I favor tuition tax credits.

Nobody makes us shop at a limited selection of goobermint-run grocery stores and we eat EVERY day, ALL year.


10 posted on 03/26/2013 9:21:27 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: lurk

Broadly:
Catholic schools teach that Catholicism is the source of truth.
Christian schools teach that Christianity is the source of truth.
Jewish schools teach that Judaism is the source of truth.
Muslim schools teach that Islam is the source of truth.

And Government Schools teach that Government is the source of truth.


11 posted on 03/26/2013 9:24:12 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

The best answer to your concerns is there is a private school for those also?

If not make one!!


12 posted on 03/26/2013 9:36:09 AM PDT by Baseballguy (If we knew what we know now in Oct would we do anything different?)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
"2 - Private schools would be flooded with the rude, ill-behaved, liberally indoctrinated, feral children that private school parents were so desperate to keep their children away from to being with. "

This is exactly why I'm against this. The private schools will gladly take the gubmint money which will initially be given to the poorest of the poorest kids. The culture of the private schools will immediately change for the worst. Classes will have to be "dumbed down" for the new student.

This is exactly what happened to my kids' private school once they went Division II sports (allowed to recruit "athletes"). Now the school is falling apart as the white middle class kids are leaving in droves.
13 posted on 03/26/2013 9:47:03 AM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: Baseballguy
the one thing that private schools would have going for them in this regard is... unlike the public schools they don't have to take everyone, but can select only those them choose.

Of course.... that may no longer apply when they are receiving money from the government in the form of a voucher! I can easily see a situation similar to what occurring with student loans and colleges happening to private schools. After letting all the private schools get used to all the extra income a flood of parents with vouchers will supply... the government will simple come in later with demand X. With the threat that if demand X isn't complied with vouchers will no longer be allowed to be used at their school.

This will then be used to impose every left leaning crack job idea imaginable onto the private schools.

14 posted on 03/26/2013 9:57:27 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: 1010RD
The cost of a product will always equal what people are willing to pay for it + the amount that is subsidized by the government.

Thus, if a private school education costs $5,000 a year because that is all parents are willing to pay for it... and the government come in with vouchers, grants, loans or whatever and pays for $4,000 of that cost...

what do you think the cost will be in the future? I'll tell you! it will then cost $9,000 for that same education!

15 posted on 03/26/2013 10:00:54 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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They’ll be no joy in unionville tonite!


16 posted on 03/26/2013 10:42:19 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: MrB

When Indianapolis Public Schools had a district “Voucher” program a few years back, the overwhelming majority of parents sent their kids to THE CLOSEST SCHOOL. Simplicity for the PARENTS was the first family priority.

The teachers union, and the Bus Drivers Union threw fits until the program was canceled with the arrival of the new (now almost-gone) superintendent.

A few sent kids to specialty schools, but not very many.


17 posted on 03/26/2013 11:15:04 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Mr. K
I hope one of the arguments was the current public shool monopoly is failing to actually educate our children

So true; but, the public education machine isn't there for educating your children, it is there to benefit the teacher's unions. So, from their pov, it is working perfectly well.

If you are a parent who actually cares about your child's education, then this is very good news indeed. Too bad it is not catching on in the rest of the country.

18 posted on 03/26/2013 12:16:18 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: TexasFreeper2009
2 - Private schools would be flooded with the rude, ill-behaved, liberally indoctrinated, feral children that private school parents were so desperate to keep their children away from to being with.

This is the big one. The voucher plan could thus kill the private school system.

19 posted on 03/26/2013 12:22:03 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
there is another reason people oppose this which is never talked about.

I agree with both reasons. As a parent whose child starts private Christian school this fall, I want parents to have to sacrifice to send their kids to private school. That way, the only kids that will be there are the ones whose parents really want them to be. We make above median income, but not greatly above. The school he will be attending is less than some other private schools in the area, but we are giving up a lot to send him there. It's a very nice car payment, maybe two car payments. Or a bigger house. But, I will gladly give those up to provide him a better academic opportunity with a Christian world-view, surrounded by kids whose parents feel the same way and are very involved.

20 posted on 03/26/2013 12:31:28 PM PDT by tnlibertarian
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