Posted on 03/25/2013 7:02:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Know what else the cops do?
It’s illegal to walk from train car to train car. They wait off to the side to grab people. I have seen with my own eyes the racial profiling that goes on there.
You see it comes with a $75.00 ticket and guess what? They never ever stop a black. Not ever. I would bet money they’re told not to.
They profile in everything they do and it’s 100% wrong.
Stop and Frisk is in the Florida statutes.
Crime rates have been trending downward across the U.S. for decades.
They don’t do stop and frisk in Chicago?
RE: Heck Miami doesn’t either.
Miami’s violent crime rate is the highest in the nation, with especially high incidences of robbery and assault. Thankfully, the murder rate is relatively low.
See here:
Worst Large Cities for Crime (>500,000 pop.)
http://www.bestplaces.net/docs/studies/crime1.aspx
So you support Cops searching people “randomly”?
RE: It works, but it is unconstitutional.
Well, so should cops giving you a ticket for allegedly going through a stop sign, without showing proof ( such as a video camera ).
But then, judges almost always side with the cops and you pay.
Black people have the RIGHT to commit any crime they want. Didn’t you get the memo?
A policeman (or anyone else) witnessing a crime is evidence. And disputing such evidence is mostly a matter of conflicting evidence.
Your implication is that cops are mistaken or lie and that you don't get the benefit of the doubt. That is a separate issue altogether.
Stop and Frisk is not evidenced based at all. It is a gross violation of the 4th amendment.
As I said, its unconstitutional.
They probably do, but not as an intentional method for reducing crime as it's used in NYC.
RE: So you support Cops searching people “randomly”?
In a city where gun control is tough? YES.
If the city would relax its gun control laws, NO.
You can’t have it both ways. You gotta have one or the other.
And I must add — I’ve been profiled and stopped once because the car I drove fit the profile.
I was polite, showed the officer all my papers, and was let go in 10 minutes. No harm, no foul.
Based on, but not in compliance with, that decision (Terry v. Ohio).
And all of the big (> 1m population) cities have higher homicide and violent crime - including robbery and rape - rates per capita than NYC.
A stop is justified if the suspect is exhibiting any combination of the following behaviors:
Appears not to fit the time or place.
Matches the description on a “Wanted” flyer.
Acts strangely, or is emotional, angry, fearful, or intoxicated.
Loitering, or looking for something.
Running away or engaging in furtive movements.
Present in a crime scene area.
Present in a high-crime area (not sufficient by itself or with loitering).
A frisk is justified under the following circumstances:
Concern for the safety of the officer or of others.
Suspicion the suspect is armed and dangerous.
Suspicion the suspect is about to commit a crime where a weapon is commonly used.
Officer is alone and backup has not arrived.
Number of suspects and their physical size.
Behavior, emotional state, and/or look of suspects.
Suspect gave evasive answers during the initial stop.
Time of day and/or geographical surroundings (not sufficient by themselves to justify frisk).
I am not the sort of person who would totally NEUTER the police, leaving them helpless and unable to use their instincts to fight crime. That’s MAINLY what I pay my taxes for.
When used correctly, the stop and frisk tool benefits the police and average citizens. Curbing crime and ensuring the safety of our on-the-beat public servants, stop and frisk can help us all sleep a little more soundly.
We'll find out soon enough - minority activists are gearing up for a Supreme Court challenge, the idea being that too many minorities are being arrested who should be at Yale rather in jail.
Actually other sources show a different story. Numerous cities have lower murder rates then NYC.
Amazing to see so many people supporting random searches without cause. Kinda sad really.
Probable cause for a Constitutional search occurs when a policeman witnesses a crime or witnesses evidence of a crime.
For stop and frisk, this is reduced to “They didn’t belong” and “He seemed irritated when I stopped him.”
The Left’s new definition of personal rights is that those rights simply don’t exist outside of certain geographic confines, such as your home or place of worship.
A frisk is justified under the following circumstances:
Concern for the safety of the officer or of others.
in others words 100% of the time.
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