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Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 24 March 2013
Various driveby media television networks ^ | 24 March 2013 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

Posted on 03/24/2013 4:29:28 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!

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To: ROCKLOBSTER

None of the comments on DOMA address the primary reason why it was written, i.e., who is entitled to federal benefits like SS, Medicare, survivor’s benefits for federal pensions, etc. It has large monetary implications.


51 posted on 03/24/2013 6:55:57 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Supporting amenity would get the GOP the Hispanic vote.? LOL.


52 posted on 03/24/2013 6:57:54 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Supporting amensty would get the GOP the Hispanic vote.

I've heard the opposite regarding "Hispanic" US citizens, unless you're talking about illegal aliens who vote. Unfortunately (and inexplicably) most Latinos and other Catholics usually vote RAT anyway.

53 posted on 03/24/2013 6:59:32 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: rodguy911

Good point, rodguy.

Now on ABC, Jim McGreevey on. Plays a clip from a movie/documentary called “Fall to Grace”.
Focusses on his work with Prison Ministry. Good for him, even if he ain’t no Chuck Colson.


54 posted on 03/24/2013 7:00:08 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Girlene
...If she thinks her premiums are high now.....just wait until next year.

Do you really suppose she'll mention that topic again?

Even if her insurance rates get exponentially increased?

Not if she doesn't want her next job to be as the Weekend Weather Babe in Walla Walla, or maybe even one of those Unpersons on the Perpetually Unemployed list.

(Either somebody screwed up getting the Daily Talking Points memo to her that morning, or she just air-headed her way through the thing and just blurted that line out. In any case, she's on a short leash now.)

55 posted on 03/24/2013 7:00:31 AM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet (For why should my Freedom be judged by anothers conscience? 1 Cor 10:29)
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To: kabar

Bingo. Follow the money.


56 posted on 03/24/2013 7:01:49 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: rodguy911
They lost those votes because they are wrong on the issues.

In the case of Hispanics that is true. Most Hispanics favor Big Government and all the benefits the welfare state has to offer. They are natural Dem constituents with 50% out of wedlock birthrates and the highest school dropout rate of any group. The support affirmative action and minority business set asides.

57 posted on 03/24/2013 7:02:48 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet

I agree, VN Vet. Donna Brazile won’t make that mistake again with a tweet.


58 posted on 03/24/2013 7:02:55 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

I corrected my response. It will NOT get the GOP the Hispanic vote.


59 posted on 03/24/2013 7:03:56 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
...who is entitled to federal benefits like SS, Medicare, survivor’s benefits for federal pensions, etc. It has large monetary implications.

Which sounds exactly like "social engineering"...a dyed in the wool Marxist concept.

Turning "marriage" (Holy Matrimony) into a civil rights classification also flies in the face of yet another BIG RAT LIE:

"The Separation of Church and State"

60 posted on 03/24/2013 7:06:19 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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Rand Paul up on FOX.

Younger people are attracted to libertarian views. It has it’s place within the GOP.

Wallace asks about Rubios’ idea thtat America still Works. Rand says we don’t need new principles, we need leaders that stand on principle. (good answer, good answer)

On immigration/Everify - Paul says opposing Everify is not main part of plan. Not against any checking, prefers govt to do that. I.e. if you get a work visa, anyone applying for welfare, voting, should be checked against that database.

Rand doesn’t think any immigration will pass GOP votes without his type of border security. Doesn’t trust ANY president to establish whether the border is secure. Congress should be voting on that.


61 posted on 03/24/2013 7:09:29 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

We already have laws that govern who can get married, e.g., against incest, age restrictions, polygamy. etc. So if marriage becomes something that anyone can define, why should these other current restrictions remain? This is a slippery slope and it goes against basic human nature and biology.


62 posted on 03/24/2013 7:10:45 AM PDT by kabar
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Rand Paul, FOX - Doesn’t want to promote drug use, but doesn’t want to put them in jail for extended periods. Our prisons are full of non-violents which ruins their lives. Doesn’t promote drug use.

On Same sex marriage - should be a state issue. DOMA has complicated the issue. Thinks the court could strike down the federal aspect of it. Thinks tax code/health insurance could be written to eliminate marriage as part of the issue.


63 posted on 03/24/2013 7:13:02 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: TomGuy
UH Oh!! What have we created here!!

Dooneberg now worried about obesity.
We are up to our arses in debt and this clown wants to control what people eat,what a dud!!

Dooneberg “we allow you to smoke just now where you want to”

He's a mini Napoleon what a putz.

64 posted on 03/24/2013 7:17:44 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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Rand Paul on FOX, Lots of issues that don’t fit within a left/right paradygm. Libertarian candidates can be effective within the GOP.

Legislature is about 10 years behind the public - regarding sending money to Egypt, etc. People agree with him on issues like this (not sending the money).


65 posted on 03/24/2013 7:17:58 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Girlene

Missed it. We get it later here.THanks.


66 posted on 03/24/2013 7:19:00 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: kabar

My take is to drop the hyphenated American pap—Afro American,Hispanic American, Gay American etc., etc. its all BS and just view everyone as an American.
Do that and the left won’t know what to do.
Once voters learn there is a party that does not subdivide voters into groups and views everyone the same; we win they lose.


67 posted on 03/24/2013 7:22:36 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: TomGuy
Both are saying they want border security first. Either they are naive or they are in on the shell game. If they are sincere, the government could made strident efforts in securing the border with EXISTING laws.

Boy do I agree with that one. NO new laws are needed in order for the Bush (pas) and the Obama (current) administrations to CLOSE THE BORDER. I think two decades has been suggicient time to close the border. Do it and then - and only then - we can enter into a national debate about immigration quotas and what to do with the hordes that are in our house illegally.
68 posted on 03/24/2013 7:22:42 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Girlene
Thinks the court could strike down the federal aspect of it. Thinks tax code/health insurance could be written to eliminate marriage as part of the issue.

Again, more fuzzy thinking by Paul. The Feds must decide how to define marriage so they can determine who is eligible for federal benefits. It has nothing to do with the states. And if marriage is eliminated from the tax code, how will it be done? Joint returns and spousal deductions will have to be defined.

69 posted on 03/24/2013 7:25:55 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

You mean bi-sexual Americans,gay Americans,Trisexual Americans, etc., etc. its just more BS. All people should come under the same rules and we need to stop making special laws for special people and treat everyone the same.


70 posted on 03/24/2013 7:25:59 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Cheerio

Regulation is how the left defeats capitalism,Democracy,works every time.


71 posted on 03/24/2013 7:27:44 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: rodguy911

Agree. Reps would be well-served to push for an end to affirmative action and minority business set asides. Let’s truly go to a color blind society with no group receiving special privileges to compensate for past grievances. We have moved on.


72 posted on 03/24/2013 7:28:20 AM PDT by kabar
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Gary Bauer on FOX - prefer the people of the state making these decisions. (Prop 8)

full court blitz on culture to intimidate people into accepting gay marriage positions.

Nicole Wallace says even a majority of Evangelical Christians under 30 something support gay marriage. LOL, yells at Wallace for interrrupting her (she thought it was Baurer).

Nicole says eventullay there won’t be anyone who doesn’t agree with gay marriage.

Bauer says that contention is ludicrous. This is about raising families. Wallace puts up numbers how people have reversed their positions in just the last 10 years. Asks whether Baurer is worried about losing elections over this. Baurer says no, the polls are skewed.

Nicole Wallace - on whether gay marriage is a gateway issue - we need to have a place for both of us in the Republican party. (huh? that’s not what she said earlier)


73 posted on 03/24/2013 7:29:53 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

It is a way to destroy the church once they begin suing pastors and priests for discrimination. It will be the end of Christianity in America.

Pray for America


74 posted on 03/24/2013 7:33:01 AM PDT by bray (Surviving to spite Obama)
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To: rodguy911

“We” ALLOW you to smoke. This guy is insane with the power he has given himself.


75 posted on 03/24/2013 7:34:00 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: kabar

Exactly it seems so simple....
It would solve a lot of problems.
Any time the left starts favoring one group over another all we do is point it out.


76 posted on 03/24/2013 7:36:11 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Alas Babylon!
another great weekend on FOX!
77 posted on 03/24/2013 7:37:56 AM PDT by Drawn7979
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To: Girlene

Yeah for sure Girlene,betcha Rush will pick up on that one tomorrow.Dooneberg is just drunk with power.Thats what happens when you are three feet 6 inches tall,it messes with your mind.


78 posted on 03/24/2013 7:40:09 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: rodguy911
Trisexual Americans

Dick Martin (from Laugh-In) claimed he was Trisexual...he said he'd "try anything".

79 posted on 03/24/2013 7:41:35 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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FOX on same sex marrige - Evan Bayh thinks the SC will take a middle ground. Thinks it’s time for people to accept SS “marrige”.

Jennifer Rubin - argument has been lost. It’s a done deal, it’s over, SC shouldn’t pull a Roe v. Wade....leave it up to states. In 10 - 20 years, it won’t matter. Done deal, it’s over, get over it.....

Juan on a legal side, doesn’t think you can deny them the right to marriage. The SC shouldn’t be making this decison for the country....

Gingrich brings up the Federalist Papers. There is no Constitutional right to hold a Constitutional convention with each of these decisions. Believes a marriage is between a man and a woman, but there are facts on the ground. States should decide this.

Now they get to the tax code......and drop it. Well so much delving into THAT aspect of the whole issue.


80 posted on 03/24/2013 7:42:32 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: rodguy911

lolol


81 posted on 03/24/2013 7:43:14 AM PDT by Girlene
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FOX - Gingrich on ME. Peace Process is insanity when rockets are raining down on Israel the day the president arrives.

Bayh on Syria - it’s been a mess for a long time no matter what we do, it will continue. Shouldn’t be involved except for allies and covert means (what is that?). If WMD are used, story changes.


82 posted on 03/24/2013 7:49:12 AM PDT by Girlene
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FOX Sunday - Jennifer Rubin takes great umbrage for obam leaning on BB to apologize to Turkey for incident three years ago with “peace/aide” flotilla.

Gingrich on obam’s ME trip - won’t know for a while the impact of his trip.


83 posted on 03/24/2013 7:53:14 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: kabar; rodguy911

Only one tiny little problem:

When the Law gets bent into pretzel shapes to favor the “select” few,
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law

(I’m considering just how close we are to that point now as well as the time we’ve got left before it smacks us upside the head, and it don’t look good to me.)


84 posted on 03/24/2013 7:53:31 AM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet (For why should my Freedom be judged by anothers conscience? 1 Cor 10:29)
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To: kabar

Rand Paul should be a bit clearer on E-Verify. Saying it’s the ‘government’s job’ doesn’t tell the listener that we already have laws on the books & employers are already required to verify eligibility to work. I was a payroll clerk at a university many years ago, & each person had to show proof of a) citizenship or b) proof of a visa that permitted them to work before getting on the payroll. The form we were required to complete was an ‘I-9’. It may be that E-Verify is simpler, but that process of verification is already in effect.

Of course, there’s the issue of stolen identity or fraudulent documents, but those are also a problem for the government.


85 posted on 03/24/2013 7:57:49 AM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: Girlene

The GOP establishment with the assistance of the MSM is trying to stampede Reps into supporting the liberal positions on amnesty, abortion, gay marriage, and gun control. They think they can win elections if the GOP becomes more like the Dems. They are wrong. They will not win Dem votes and they will lose a significant portion of the base. The GOP is committing political suicide.


86 posted on 03/24/2013 8:01:22 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Twotone

You are quite correct. There are laws employers must follow including filing I-9’s. E-verify, a free system, makes it much easier although I-9s are still required. AZ mandated that all business must use E-Verify and SCOTUS upheld that mandate. We must make E-verify mandatory nationally. It is currently voluntary.


87 posted on 03/24/2013 8:05:03 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Alas Babylon!

Jim Messina is so creepy looking!


88 posted on 03/24/2013 8:09:09 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (The amount of ammo you need is determined after the gunfight.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
He’s not opposed to the data-base check, not eligible to vote not eligible for welfare. Wants govt to do it, not burden business.

On GOP getting hispanic vote by supporting amnesty, he want’s “Trust but Verify” program. Doesn’t trust any president to handle border security, wants Congress to deal with it every year

I wish all these politicians would find out how the illegals really do things. Birthright citizenship means they can put their children on every social program out there, and most of them do. Illegals are not allowed to get on the programs now, but are encouraged to enroll their citizen children- the cards and checks go to the illegal adults since the children are minors. So how do you keep them off welfare?

As to the voting issue, that is a state issue, my state is still trying to require ID to vote, without that of course illegals can and do vote.

Without E-verify there is no record of whether a business hires illegals or not so doing away with that will mean it is easier for businesses to hire illegals. Businesses can just say they "didn't know" if they are caught working illegals.

The Republican party is kidding itself about getting the Hispanic vote by supporting amnesty. Younger Hispanics, say under 60 do not have the desire to be Americans and each age group under 60 has less desire to assimilate and become Americans. They want the piece of paper giving them citizenship for the benefits but do not want to be Americans. Most have been brainwashed in schools in Mexico and parts of the US that Mexico actually owns the SW, and the US is responsible for all the problems in Mexico. Their loyalty is to Mexico, with or without citizenship and they are raised with socialistic ideals. How anyone could think all of this will translate into Hispanic votes for Republicans is beyond me. When politicians talk about Hispanics having conservative values, being religious, wanting to be Americans, they are talking about the illegals from Mexico years ago, not current. They are out of touch, most of today's illegals are liberals, not particularly religious and in fact Islam is a growing religion in Mexico.

89 posted on 03/24/2013 8:14:11 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

For sure, the left will colonize any group they can buy.


90 posted on 03/24/2013 8:16:29 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: kabar

Certainly a government that wants to maintain databases on citizens should be keeping one on foreign nationals within the borders. I agree, E-Verify should be mandated nationally.


91 posted on 03/24/2013 8:17:47 AM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet

It all depends on Texas and here in ol’ FLa. if we both get taken over by the third worlders its all over.


92 posted on 03/24/2013 8:18:11 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: kabar

The GOP establishment with the assistance of the MSM is trying to stampede Reps into supporting the liberal positions on amnesty, abortion, gay marriage, and gun control. They think they can win elections if the GOP becomes more like the Dems. They are wrong. They will not win Dem votes and they will lose a significant portion of the base. The GOP is committing political suicide.


Exactamundo. I copied your whole post because it is all 100% on the money.

The beltway GOP with a few exceptions are truly self promoting, useful idiots.

I don’t care what the schedule topics are on these shows. All the GOP troops on these shows should be talking about is economic issues and the spiraling costs of obamacare. 6 trillion in debt and no budget barack refusing to govern. They continually give the Dems a pass and now they are busy running out the clock to 2014.

What a bunch of foppish and weak losers the beltway GOP has become.


93 posted on 03/24/2013 8:19:34 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Tammy8

The answer to all of that is:

Bounty on illegals, wholesale deportation, closed borders.

The children can stay, but they have to become conservative Republicans.


94 posted on 03/24/2013 8:25:22 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: Twotone
E-Verify should be mandated nationally.

Isn't it?

95 posted on 03/24/2013 8:26:30 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

No, E-Verify (as Kabar pointed out) is mandatory only in AZ. The I-9 employment verification rules are mandatory nationally.


96 posted on 03/24/2013 8:28:23 AM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

People laugh at self deportation, but if we cut off benefits and jobs they would get themselves home. We didn’t pay to bring them here and we wouldn’t have to pay to send them home.


97 posted on 03/24/2013 8:29:47 AM PDT by csmusaret (America is more divided today , not because of the problems we face but because of Obama's solutions)
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To: Twotone

Well, there is a poster about it in my workplace here in Maine. It may not be mandatory, but I’ll bet it is used in most states.


98 posted on 03/24/2013 8:31:58 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: chiller

Well then....that would explain where the techniques came from, wouldn’t it. Their ranks are filled with communists, admitted and otherwise.


Yes.

Few admit it because that’s the deal. You don’t call yourself “communist,” you call yourself the German Democratic Republic instead, three things you decidedly are NOT. Or, “progressive,” because of course there won’t be any (progress) once you are in charge. Or, “bolshevik,” the Russian word for “majority” because you are a hyper-minority.

Why did they stop admitting it?

Because in the late 1940s and early 1950s HUAC and McCarthy began asking “are you now or have you ever been...”

What had been “colonization” became “infiltration” leading finally to “influence operations.”

American communists (Frank Marshall Davis) who once had badges with numbers on them vanished.

In their place came Billy Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn and Reverend Wright, all vested by Castro (via Andropov) to stop bombing police stations and find candidates instead, preferably black candidates who could “shame guilty whites into voting for them,” that is, vote for Communists In Everything But Name Only, let’s call it the CIEBNO movement, Bill Clinton (metaphorically black) giving way to the Comrade Himself (half black), just the ticket!

Didn’t Rush ever notice that Clinton played terminal politics too? Teddy the K? Howard Dean? Any Demovik this side of LBJ? “That” side too?

Rush: Find a Demovik who wants to “govern” and thus take direct “credit” for another flopped five-year plan, like Stalin’s famines or Obamacare, and you’ll have found the first and last of its kind.

Rush: If our side doesn’t call communists “communists” who will? Tell me. Do you think Ben Bradlee will?

(Oh, geez. I’m ranting again. Where are my pills?)


99 posted on 03/24/2013 8:34:13 AM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: kabar

change the tax code and even soc security to allow singles to “choose” a beneficiary and you don’t have to change marriage.


100 posted on 03/24/2013 8:36:15 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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