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Voters to GOP: Like Your Ideas, Donít Like Your Party
NRO ^ | 3-18-13 | john fund

Posted on 03/23/2013 1:31:42 PM PDT by TurboZamboni

A new poll for the Hill newspaper finds that “more voters trust the Democratic Party than the Republican Party on budgetary issues . . . even though a strong majority actually prefer Republican fiscal policies.”

The poll of 1,000 likely voters was taken last week by Pulse Opinion Research. It asked respondents to choose between two different budget approaches without their being identified with a particular party. A total of 55 percent picked a plan similar to the one offered by House budget chairman Paul Ryan: Trimming federal spending by $5 trillion, not raising taxes, and reaching a balanced budget at the end of a decade. Only 28 percent of those surveyed went for a plan similar to that presented by Senate budget chairman Patty Murray last week, which would raise taxes by $1 trillion, add $100 billion in infrastructure spending, and reduce the deficit but not wipe it out.

Even Democrats demonstrated that they prefer what are normally considered GOP budget ideas. Only 44 percent of Democrats polled said deficits should be primarily reduced mostly through raising taxes, versus 40 percent who felt it should be done largely by trimming spending.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2014election; 2016election; branding; conservatism; debt; deficit; election2014; election2016; fund; ideas; image; party; poll; spending

1 posted on 03/23/2013 1:31:42 PM PDT by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni

This is the nature of our problem, We have a conservative electorate but one that is blinded by the political proaganda and party rivary of the democratic party.

Now we can solve this problem in 3 basic ways:

1: Do as we did over the 70s and 80s and continue people to vote their values rather than their party.

2: Abandon he republican party label and invent a new party with a new label.

3: Abandon the republican party and take over the democratic party.


2 posted on 03/23/2013 1:38:36 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Monorprise

Well we sure as h*** should bring jobs back to America from China.

That is a big one.


3 posted on 03/23/2013 1:41:29 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Monorprise

#3 is beyond hope (but you get credit for thinking creatively, at least), and IMO #2 is the way to go.

I’m disappointed that we’re not seeing any action in this direction, as things should be pulled together before 2014 if we’ve a hope for 2016.


4 posted on 03/23/2013 1:46:49 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Monorprise

#3 is beyond hope (but you get credit for thinking creatively, at least), and IMO #2 is the way to go.

I’m disappointed that we’re not seeing any action in this direction, as things should be pulled together before 2014 if we’ve a hope for 2016.


5 posted on 03/23/2013 1:46:49 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: TurboZamboni

The MSM always attacks Republicans. Most voters don’t even know the positions of the Democrat and Republican Parties.

This poll proves it.

I would bet the less informed a voter is the more he or she likes the Democrat Party.


6 posted on 03/23/2013 1:48:20 PM PDT by detective
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To: TurboZamboni

‘you control the world (or in our case, the country), when you control.......INFORMATION’- Newmann on Seinfeld.

Big Media has done a great job of destroying the Republican brand. People who are too busy to find other news sources believe that the Media is telling them the truth. We must figure out a way to neutralize Big Media!


7 posted on 03/23/2013 1:51:08 PM PDT by originalbuckeye (Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy)
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To: detective

What we are not looking at is China.

China now exports more than the USA.

MORE. And is set to pass the USA completely by 2016.

We need to bring back industry to America. Now.


8 posted on 03/23/2013 1:51:14 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Republicans try to be logical grown ups, while the dems play to the emotions and own the media propaganda machine. The pubs are hung up on stodgy white guys and are intent on running a nice, honorable campaign while the country is divided and misgovernment into chaos.

Recipe for national decline. Doesn’t have to be this way.


9 posted on 03/23/2013 1:51:52 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: detective; All

“the msm always attacks republicans” and the republicans always grab their ankles and take it with no response...


10 posted on 03/23/2013 1:51:56 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: Monorprise

The Democrats were very good at demonizing Republicans, and the Republicans meekly accepted the characterization. On only a couple of occasions was the fight ever carried TO the Democrats.

If Romney had followed up on the opening that had he had made with the first debate, we would not be talking about how well the Democrats did in the 2012 election.


11 posted on 03/23/2013 1:52:30 PM PDT by alloysteel (Every generation laughs at the old fashions, but follows religiously the new.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Correct but the major point which I completely believe, is the some of the GOP is in bed with the people selling out America.

Exporting jobs has got to stop.

Jobs must be brought back the the US of A. Now.

Seriously. Now.


12 posted on 03/23/2013 1:54:38 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: detective

majority agree with the social and fiscal issues, they agree kids do better with a mother and a father , they agree that society has gone to crap and we have many idiots who think the world is about them.

The problem with the stupid party is that they think if they just piss off the marriage, drugs issue then they mnight get a few more voyes but they ignore millions of the base who are trying to tell the GOP speak up.

The stupid party might talk fiscal, but never social which is a liberal-tarians, far left dream as they can psuh their message without an argument.

Also the stupid party lets the media always insult the GOP and conservatives, but then the stupid party still tries to reach out ot the media.

The left controls the message and the right lets them.

If this country is going to get back to common sense then the media needs to be called out at every turn.

I always ask Dems, do you think illegals should get handouts and welfare
answer no
should cross dressers, self mutilation types and homosexuals be allowed in the military and most say no

do kids do better with a mother and a father and do you think those who ike to have sex with feces should be allowed to marry and most whisper npo

do you think the Govt has to be living in a budget and the answer is yes

do you think a worker should be frced to join a group and have some of their wages taken from them , only to be spent on what they do not agree [unions] and the answer is no.

Do you think the military should be cut on non wasteful spending and the answer is no

do you think all drugs should be lega and the answer is no.

Then why do you vote Democrat?

Er er er the Democrats don;t want homosexual marriage, cut the military, make all drugs legal, give illegals welfare, have open borders, teach homosexuality to 5 year olds etc

Therre is the problem the low info voters just vote D because the media makes it out that the left are cool, and nice who care while they make the right out to be the KKK, haters, bigots and don;t care.

The response to the left and the media by our side is, well maybe we need to reach out and try to have more people speak and run in our primaries who are not conservatives

FRIGGIN IDIOTS


13 posted on 03/23/2013 2:05:08 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Well you can forget bring back industry. They have fled this land of the EPA and the Unions for good. The cost of doing business here is out of control. Our government has regulated this country out of business. Get use to it because the majority of the “voting public” think things are just fine the way it is now.
14 posted on 03/23/2013 2:06:25 PM PDT by kempo
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Yes both parties have been involved. One party is stupid and greedy; the other stupid, greedy and evil.


15 posted on 03/23/2013 2:07:28 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: kempo

We need (the GOP needs) to switch sides on this issue.

We need to be for American industry and US jobs.

Now.


16 posted on 03/23/2013 2:07:49 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: TurboZamboni

The media get almost 10% of all government spending in advertising- by subsidized and ‘stimulated’ consumers and industries...

No wonder Republicans look bad to everyone who watches the media!


17 posted on 03/23/2013 2:08:28 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

I agree 100%.

We must repatriate US industry now.

Start making plans, because time is getting short.


18 posted on 03/23/2013 2:09:16 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

got to stop non conservatives and republicans using our primaries, our conventions, our debates.

Of course most agree with hard work, rule of law, family, debt and budget and military but the media controls the message to the low info voters and the GOP shuts up and tries to reach out.

Then they wonder why millions of the base are not bothering with the party anymore.

Mention social and fiscal and we win, run away from what the right stands for and we lose all the time.

Let the media control the message and it;s game over.

Sarah, Michelle Bachmann, Col West, Cruz, Paul Ryan are the future.

Krauthammer, Rove, peggy Noonan, Hume, Ari Fleicher[sp] , Romney, Christie and the elitist ,cocktail party inside DC north east types who need to go.


19 posted on 03/23/2013 2:11:00 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: alloysteel

>> The Democrats were very good at demonizing Republicans, and the Republicans meekly accepted the characterization.

Yup.


20 posted on 03/23/2013 2:11:11 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: detective
The MSM always attacks Republicans. Most voters don’t even know the positions of the Democrat and Republican Parties.

My very best life long friend was a conservative through and through, but he would no more vote for a Republican than Karl Marx would vote for Reagan.

He was from a family of thirteen children and lived in poverty most of his life, with some help from the government, sadly that shaped his political view though his entire life.

I would point to his absolute opposition to Democratic Party Policy, but facts did not change him. I had to give up.

21 posted on 03/23/2013 2:14:48 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
It's hard to compete with Santa and the dems know it.

As long as they can manage to give their voters everything they want with our money we will keep trying desperately to catch up. The Socialist dems are masters at political assassination. We are the ones who always get killed. They are the ones who always know exactly what they will do and how we will react.They have us figured out so well we don't even realize what is happening.

Result,we get shot down over and over even though we are usually always right in our logic,what's right for the country, etc. and they usually always wrong.

Throw in a willing media prepared to lie about anything and you have total devastation.

22 posted on 03/23/2013 2:17:27 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: manc
The left controls the message and the right lets them.

It's actually worse than that.

They create the message after they have already figured out how we will react to it and what the end result will be. We are still at the starting gate of every issue by the time it is already over.

23 posted on 03/23/2013 2:20:24 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: originalbuckeye
The best way to destroy big media besides stop buying anything from their sponsors and never watch their networks, is the ignore the hell out of them.

Look what Marco Rubio just finished doing on the immigration mess. He decided to get his message out. Where did he go? First he went to the New Media,Sean, Rush, Mark everyone then the DBM as a sort of after thought.

Truth is we don't need them.Its like going to a doctor who still believes in blood letting.

24 posted on 03/23/2013 2:24:32 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: manc

I agree, but you missed a couple biggies who are currently straddling the fence, causing (lots) of trouble.

Rush Limbaugh is a big one. Hannity as well. And of course who could possibly forget the big guy of big guys the manager of Fox News himself.

All are too far to the compromise and meet the left, side.

All need to stop that, and soon.

Mr. Murdoch that may mean you disagree occasionally with your wife.

So be it.


25 posted on 03/23/2013 2:26:33 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Monorprise

Option 4:

Buy controlling interests in as many publicly held media companies as feasible and once in control actually take control: fire leftist reporters and newsreaders and put in a mix of conservatives and the few remaining real journalists who want to report what actually happened, rather than what fits a ‘narrative’ (I think the LATimes has a few working for it, which explains the remarkably frequent “has hell frozen over?” queries on FR prompted by straight reporting the LATimes despite its reliably looney left editorial page and position on CA issues, and there’s also Bob Woodward).


26 posted on 03/23/2013 2:34:12 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: detective
I would bet the less informed a voter is the more he or she likes the Democrat Party.

I've argued this point with Democrats - they like to believe "their party" is the party of intelligence.

I always just ask them, "which party tries to register people on the welfare lines? which party supports easier voting registration for the less informed? which party wants to restore the vote to felons? which party always carries the uninformed 18-20 year old vote?"

They're college graduates, so they think they and their party are well informed. When they still cling to that, I ask them if they can name the leader of one of the following countries - Canada, the UK, or Mexico?

I haven't met one liberal American college graduate who can answer that challenge on the spot without the internet at their fingertips. But they can always tell you what Jon Stewart says about an issue.

It's the party of hipster dumbasses.

27 posted on 03/23/2013 2:34:59 PM PDT by dead
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Rupert Murdoch is not a conservative and never has been.

He's a very able businessman who recognized the market in the US for a rightish-leaning news outlet and exploited it to great success.

I mean this as a compliment to him. He's a smart man, but he's not out for ideology, he's out for revenue.

28 posted on 03/23/2013 2:41:40 PM PDT by dead
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

totally totally agree with you.

Our side who has a public voice never mention conservative social issues.
I heard Hannity this week trying to avive the issue when a caller called.
He tried to have it both ways too by saying he doebs;t care what people do and he beleives in marriage but nonone cares about those issues and tried to bring the conversation into the fiscal issue of which he and others like Rush always talk about.

Seems standing on principle is too hard for these guys.
As long as they make their money , don;t upset their liberal liberal-tarian and establishment pals then so be it.

It’s so obvious to even a blind guy to see that our side is losing on social issues becasuse those with a voice won;t speak up and fend conservative social issues.

Having the likes of Paul who ran as a liberal-tarian only to lose and then use the GOP to further his agenda while telling us the base we have to change is plain stupidity.

The lapdog, corrupt media loves it too when those who pretend to be conservatives come out against our views as they then use those words to attack us again.

As for FOX, ARF, hey have never been conservative and more in tune with their pockets , power and liberal-tarian far left social agenda.

Dr Laura spoke and they attacked her like a pack of lions who had not been fed in days and thus our side like Hannity shut the hell up .


29 posted on 03/23/2013 2:43:42 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: dead

I;ve noticed that the far elft always like to tell each other and themselves how smart they are but once you get them off their bumper sticker slogans and go into more depth then they either clam up or resort to name calling.


30 posted on 03/23/2013 2:45:00 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

A company has to compete on the world market to survive. Fewer and fewer companies are able to stay in this country and compete world wide. Why? Mainly government regulations and heavy tax burdens. Those regulations and taxes are cost prohibitive. Try to build a new refinery,a new coal fired power plant,......


31 posted on 03/23/2013 2:47:59 PM PDT by kempo
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To: TurboZamboni

Alternative title could be; Voters to GOP:What you do is not what you say.


32 posted on 03/23/2013 3:09:00 PM PDT by upsdriver ( Palin/West '16)
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To: manc
“low info voters just vote D because the media makes it out that the left are cool, and nice who care while they make the right out to be the KKK, haters, bigots and don;t care.”

The Democrat Party is made up of four groups.

1. A few organizers and operatives who want to destroy American democracy and personal freedom. Their goal is to create a totalitarian state ruled by a small group of leftists;

2. A small group of profiteers who want to get access to taxpayer money;

3. A larger group of cowards who are intimidated by political correctness and charges of racism, etc.;

4. A large group of useful idiots who understand nothing and believe whatever they are told to believe by the politicians and the MSM.

Most of these useful idiots are the ones in the poll who agree with Republican ideas but say they support the Democrats. The cowards and the profiteers would also agree. The operatives may or may not agree, it doesn't matter. They believe in nothing but the acquisition of power.

There are few Republicans who relate to average Americans. Most Republicans are careerists who say whatever is expedient at the time but would never stand up for principles. Think of Mitt Romney, or as one of his staffers described him, “an etch-o-sketch”. What they say is irrelevant or “erased” soon after they have said it.

The Republicans who are honest and principled are systematically attacked and destroyed by the MSM.

33 posted on 03/23/2013 4:13:19 PM PDT by detective
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To: dead
“It's the party of hipster dumbasses.”

The term that was originally used about a century ago and has stood the test of time over the past 100 years to accurately describe people who call themselves “liberals” or “progressives” is “useful idiot”.

That is the term I use. But if “hipster dumbass” works for you, hey, go with it. It gets the point across.

34 posted on 03/23/2013 4:18:26 PM PDT by detective
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To: itsahoot
It sounds like your friend is a “useful idiot” who believes whatever he is told to believe.

You might point out that whatever assistance he has received came from people like you and me. It came from people who work hard, make the country work, pay taxes and keep the government from going broke.

The Democrats are all parasites. They don’t support anyone. They are takers. I have never met a generous Democrat. They all have their hands out. They all want something for nothing.

35 posted on 03/23/2013 4:28:28 PM PDT by detective
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To: TurboZamboni

As long as the communists control the popular culture, education, and 95% or more of the media, which vilifies Republicans, it’s not going to change.


36 posted on 03/23/2013 4:53:12 PM PDT by Dogbert41
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To: TurboZamboni

That is why there is a TEA Party.


37 posted on 03/23/2013 4:57:44 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: manc
Our side who has a public voice never mention conservative social issues.

Actually, I be if you did a more detailed poll, I suspect you'd find the people that switched from supporting Ryan's budget to the Dem Budget when they added "Republican" and Democratic" to the bills switched BECAUSE of their dislike of Republican social conservative issue positions.

38 posted on 03/23/2013 5:02:43 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: TurboZamboni

The fact of the matter is that when Republicans act like conservatives — as they did, in the main, during the sequester issue — they gain.

Der Leader has dropped in the polls since when Republicans stick to their principles they force their opposition to lie so obviously that even the low-information voter can see it.

So what’s the answer from the GOP? Move left.


39 posted on 03/23/2013 5:08:29 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: TurboZamboni

As much as it pains me to admit it, the average American is an idiot.


40 posted on 03/23/2013 5:15:36 PM PDT by TonyM
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To: TurboZamboni

The GOPe needs to go..NOW!


41 posted on 03/23/2013 5:24:34 PM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: Strategerist

never met one who said they voted Dem because of Ryans social issues , except one liberal-tarian who is more in tune with the radcial left anyway.

I have many many people who vote Dem but agree with the GOP on social issues and never had a clue about where the Dem party stands on those same issues.

More Dems agree that the mlitary should not get any weaker.
pushing feces dies not give you marriage,
illegals should not get welfare
All drugs should not be legal

Infact even many liberals would not go with all that either I’ve found.

The sooner the party sops the infiltrators using our party, primary, conventions to spout their radical lefty social agendas then the sooner we can start to get this country back on track.


42 posted on 03/23/2013 5:37:02 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: detective

I’ve met Dems who have some big hearts but not with their money though.
They prefer to use the Govt to distribute the money.

What gets me is how the left state the GOP is for the rich and yet Hollywood for the most part.
The north east and CA .
bilionaires for the most part

ALL support the Dem party.

It’s the media who push their radical agenda, they also love to say conservatives think the GOP is outdated and need to move forward on social issues and yet it;s never a conservative who stated it.
It’s the likes of Paul , elitist estbalishment and others who pretend to be conservatives and put an R at the end of their name but tell us that we have to change to be liberals on social issues.

Hell that even happens on here too, think is that they are beomcing more and more transparent and easier to see through now.


43 posted on 03/23/2013 5:42:02 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: detective
It sounds like your friend is a “useful idiot” who believes whatever he is told to believe.

Not useful anymore died about 5 years ago. Fact is all my close friends are dead, I think we are on a list or something.

44 posted on 03/23/2013 11:17:28 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
Republicans try to be logical grown ups, while the dems play to the emotions and own the media propaganda machine. The pubs are hung up on stodgy white guys and are intent on running a nice, honorable campaign while the country is divided and misgovernment into chaos. Recipe for national decline. Doesn’t have to be this way.

Yep - the "moral high ground" means that anyone willing to fight dirty has the edge. We are killing ourselves when we allow the basest and vilest of the enemy to convince us we need to "play nicer". We're even more stupid than Charlie Brown taking another shot at kicking the football. Einstein described us perfectly with the "insanity...do same thing...expect different result..." deal.

45 posted on 03/24/2013 5:22:46 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb

Conservatives are like the British in the American Revolution who preferred to fight out in the open. Liberals fight like the American country fighters, who fought behind cover, ambushed and bushwhacked. Conservatives prefer to be honorable victims, and then complain about the unfair playing field while their country dies a slow death.


46 posted on 03/24/2013 8:42:15 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
Conservatives are like the British in the American Revolution who preferred to fight out in the open. Liberals fight like the American country fighters, who fought behind cover, ambushed and bushwhacked. Conservatives prefer to be honorable victims, and then complain about the unfair playing field while their country dies a slow death.

I hear you - I guess when we tell everyone how we lost, we can claim we lost "honorably". Some seem to overlook that if you are fighting evil, you have to be able to present even more force than evil does if you are to destroy it. Our Party is becoming "too principled" to actually engage in an actual conflict and win - once our "sensibilities" take a hit, we resort to vociferous rants and cease any counter-hostilities. Instead of taking the street fight to them, we claim to be above such shenanigans and cross our arms, tap out toes, and wait for them to become just as "civilized". The fact that "PCism" has taken such a strong root in the Nation backs this up - we have allowed ourselves to become emasculated and seem to buy more into the deal than those who put the gears in motion.

47 posted on 03/24/2013 9:04:58 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb

Exactly.


48 posted on 03/24/2013 12:07:16 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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