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Dangerous Times: Crypto-Fascism in Italy, Hungary, Greece, Albania
AmericanThinker.com ^ | 3/23/2013 | James Lewis and Justine Aristea

Posted on 03/23/2013 5:18:48 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

A great sense of alarm is spreading among ordinary Europeans today, especially in the south and east of the continent. Now even the elitist media are giving us the worst international news since the Cold War.

Americans do not want to hear this, either.

Well, you may not be interested in evil, but evil may be interested in you.

Listen up. This could be important.

The Washington Post just told us that a dictatorial strongman has risen to power in Hungary, a man named Viktor Orban. In a two-hour parliamentary session, Orban forced radical changes in the Hungarian constitution to favor his own party. Orban caught the European media and political elites by complete surprise.

In Germany, Der Spiegel is finally reporting on Beppe Grillo, calling him "the most dangerous man in Europe." Grillo is the failed Italian comedian who used the web to recruit 9 million voters in the recent election, barely one percent short of Mussolini's first vote in 1922, giving him a plurality in parliament.

This week, Grillo met with Italy's President Napolitano and demanded that his Five Star Party be given ministerial control of the police and the government-owned media (RAI), the levers of big power.

Nobody knows if Grillo will get what he wants. If he ever succeeds in running the Italian federal police and media, Italy will be in very deep trouble. Maybe he won't succeed today, but he is running for the next election coming in June. Yes, June of this year.

You can believe that Grillo aims for total power. He says so himself, and his brainwashed followers believe it.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: albania; beppegrillo; cyprus; eu; europe; europeanunion; facism; germany; greece; hungary; israel; italy; russia; turkey; unitedkingdom

1 posted on 03/23/2013 5:18:48 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

Just subsitute Obama for Grillo ...


2 posted on 03/23/2013 5:22:51 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: RoosterRedux

Interesting article. The evil at hand is the UNaccountable bureaucrats of the totalitarian EU IMF superseding national and individual sovereignty.


3 posted on 03/23/2013 5:43:00 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: RoosterRedux

If they form a united front against Islamification is that really so bad?


4 posted on 03/23/2013 5:43:10 AM PDT by Borges
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To: RoosterRedux
And yet even our most beloved leaders continue to insist on keeping their heads in the dark.

AUDIENCE WITH THE DIPLOMATIC CORPS ACCREDITED TO THE HOLY SEE ADDRESS OF POPE FRANCIS

Sala Regia Friday, 22 March 2013

In this work, the role of religion is fundamental. It is not possible to build bridges between people while forgetting God. But the converse is also true: it is not possible to establish true links with God, while ignoring other people. Hence it is important to intensify dialogue among the various religions, and I am thinking particularly of dialogue with Islam. At the Mass marking the beginning of my ministry, I greatly appreciated the presence of so many civil and religious leaders from the Islamic world. And it is also important to intensify outreach to non-believers, so that the differences which divide and hurt us may never prevail, but rather the desire to build true links of friendship between all peoples, despite their diversity.

All along, those "non-believers" are thinking how the Vatican would make such a nice mosque.

5 posted on 03/23/2013 5:44:58 AM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Their economies (and ours) have been fascist for decades. Government orchestrated picking of winner and losers, societal socialism, and the legal structuring of preferred peoples and cultures.

What they are noticing now is that many people who are forced to live in a fascist state will start to desire to be in charge.


6 posted on 03/23/2013 5:45:10 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Borges
If they form a united front against Islamification is that really so bad?

Actually, they are backed and financed by the Islamists.

7 posted on 03/23/2013 5:49:17 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: RoosterRedux

And this is a surprise to whom?


8 posted on 03/23/2013 5:57:35 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: RoosterRedux

Grillo’s history is Communist Party. Suddenly we need to worry about “Crypto-Fascism”....


9 posted on 03/23/2013 6:15:52 AM PDT by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Victor Orban was groomed by commie’s and received a lot of money from Soros. Just like Obama.

http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/271444


10 posted on 03/23/2013 6:16:23 AM PDT by mgist
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To: RoosterRedux

Fascist = Someone who disagrees with the EU.


11 posted on 03/23/2013 6:17:03 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
Fascist = Someone who disagrees with the EU.

That's right.

Victor Orban put pro-life in the Hungarian constitution and reaffirmed support for Christianity.

That is what makes him a fascist in the eyes of the EU.

12 posted on 03/23/2013 6:23:16 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Nigel Farage has been warning about this happening for sometime.


13 posted on 03/23/2013 6:25:21 AM PDT by MCF
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To: RoosterRedux
Dangerous Times: Crypto-Fascism in Italy, Hungary, Greece, Albania, Washington, DC


14 posted on 03/23/2013 6:35:38 AM PDT by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: RoosterRedux

Fascism is a form of socialism, where economic decisions are controlled by political institutions. The difference being that instead of business being owned communally, business continues to be owned privately, but government directs business via the proxy of bureaucracy.

The Treaty of Lisbon is one of the founding sources of authority for the European Union. This treaty states that the economic basis for the Union will be “social market economy”. As with all things liberal, he who gets to define the meaning on the words and terms controls the outcome of the discussion.

In this case “social market economy” means soft fascism. As the power and scope of the central government grows, so does the fascist bureaucracy and attitude of the governing class. We have the best example yet in the treatment of the accounts of savers in Cyprus, where the EU demanded that about 10% of account balances be seized in return for bailing out the remainder.

see:
SOCIAL MARKET ECONOMY EXPLAINED IN A SIMPLE WAY
http://www.kas.de/jordanien/en/publications/13321/


15 posted on 03/23/2013 6:51:37 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: sauropod

read


16 posted on 03/23/2013 6:52:43 AM PDT by sauropod (I will not comply)
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To: RoosterRedux

At least the Mafia never targeted women and children.


17 posted on 03/23/2013 6:54:57 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I have not heard of Orban, however I watched a 12 minute video of the comedian from Italy. It was about ten years old.
All he said was some common sense stuff as he bashed those idiots in charge that have produced such a mess. Good stuff actually.

I did not know he was a commie like Orban?


18 posted on 03/23/2013 7:00:05 AM PDT by winodog
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To: SampleMan

‘Corporatism’ is the manner in which governments operate today.

The Labour Charter of 1927, promulgated by the Grand Council of Fascism, stated in article 7:
“The corporative State considers private initiative, in the field of production, as the most efficient and useful instrument of the Nation,” then goes on to say in article 9 that: “State intervention in economic production may take place only where private initiative is lacking or is insufficient, or when are at stakes the political interest of the State. This intervention may take the form of control, encouragement or direct management.”


19 posted on 03/23/2013 7:04:57 AM PDT by griswold3
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To: Excellence
And it will ...ultimately that is what is going to happen.

When the persecution starts to directly affect the Vatican, which is a sovereign state, beware for the time of the beast is at hand.

So many are deceived that the anti-christ will be the Pope. But, Catholics know we will be persecuted right out of Vatican City. The anti-Christ will rise up from there, but it won't be from the Church.

“Intensify outreach to non-believers,” is a call to be missionaries to them. Keep in mind Pope Francis is more evangelist for the faith than other Popes in recent memory.

20 posted on 03/23/2013 7:09:43 AM PDT by EBH ( American citizens do not negotiate with political terrorists.)
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To: Kozak
Mussolini was a socialist editor until he broke with his party over the war. He was an an admirer of Lenin’s tactics in taking over the Russian state, and in part fascism imitated bolshevism.
21 posted on 03/23/2013 7:16:19 AM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RoosterRedux
Actually, they are backed and financed by the Islamists.

Actually, the MSM and the political establishment are demonizing these groups because they have touched a nerve among the "country class." Government has become disconnected from the people they are supposed to represent. Immigration and the welfare state are destroying the average person's life.

The authors of this article point to the alleged sinister Islamic influence and antisemitism to marginalize and discredit the rise of nationalism in a sclerotic and dictatorial EU that governs without any real consensus. There is a growing disaffection in Europe and to some degree here that none of the major parties represent their interests and are making profound decisions that alter their lives for the worse.

Europe does have a problem, but it is not crypto-Fascism, which is a label that the authors use to discredit these new political actors.

22 posted on 03/23/2013 7:21:50 AM PDT by kabar
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To: griswold3

Obama is a fascist , of course, absent the militarism. Of course, Mussolini was a talker, with no knowledge whatsoever of military matters.


23 posted on 03/23/2013 7:22:26 AM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Grillo’s party got enough votes to keep either of the two main parties from getting a majority, thus they will have another election. That can’t happen here but our two big parties should take heed. Grillo got so much support by hammering home the idea that both the major parties were corrupt and owned by the banks.


24 posted on 03/23/2013 7:31:01 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (I love it when spell check selects every single word in my post.)
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To: RoosterRedux
Actually, they are backed and financed by the Islamists.

Source..link?

25 posted on 03/23/2013 7:42:57 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

Read the article.


26 posted on 03/23/2013 7:45:23 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: dfwgator

I don’t know about Orban, but JOBBIK concerns me.

They openly talk about how Jews and Gypsies are “parasites” and threats to Hungary. Not to mention marching around in black shirts.


27 posted on 03/23/2013 8:04:04 AM PDT by Shadow44
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To: RoosterRedux

‘calling him “the most dangerous man in Europe.”’

Der Spiegel is a propaganda rag. They’ve been calling people “the most dangerous man in Europe” since their inception. Nigel Farage = “most dangerous man in Europe”. Geert Wilders = “most dangerous man in Europe”.

That being said, Grillo is a socialist moron who shouldn’t get anywhere near power. It’s the equivalent of Bill Maher winning the Democrap primary.

As to Mr. Orban in Hungary. Give the guy a break. He has to try and keep a country polarized between socialists, moderate leftists, and real fascists, together.


28 posted on 03/23/2013 8:19:45 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: RoosterRedux

“Even the BBC is catching up with the news from Europe, with an exclusive report on a reported assault by Golden Dawn Party thugs on a member of the Athenian parliament named Dmitri Stratoulis.”

Oh, yes! EVEN the BBC are catching up... THE BBC ARE PART OF THE AUTOCRATIC SYSTEM ITSELF! BBC stands for British Broadcast Communists. They’re a state-run media agency paid for by tax payers, pushing BS daily. Martin Bashir from MSLSD worked for these clowns. That should tell you everything you need to know. They love the dictatorial system of their faux elections, and their police state, and the EUSSR. Of course they’re going to complain when other autocrats threaten their hold on power within the continent.

Crypto-fascism is NOT on the rise. Crypto-fascism is what’s already in place. What’s on the rise is just plain old fascism.


29 posted on 03/23/2013 8:27:24 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: RoosterRedux

“Even the BBC is catching up with the news from Europe, with an exclusive report on a reported assault by Golden Dawn Party thugs on a member of the Athenian parliament named Dmitri Stratoulis.”

Oh, yes! EVEN the BBC are catching up... THE BBC ARE PART OF THE AUTOCRATIC SYSTEM ITSELF! BBC stands for British Broadcast Communists. They’re a state-run media agency paid for by tax payers, pushing BS daily. Martin Bashir from MSLSD worked for these clowns. That should tell you everything you need to know. They love the dictatorial system of their faux elections, and their police state, and the EUSSR. Of course they’re going to complain when other autocrats threaten their hold on power within the continent.

Crypto-fascism is NOT on the rise. Crypto-fascism is what’s already in place. What’s on the rise is just plain old fascism.


30 posted on 03/23/2013 8:27:24 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Borges

Their opposition to the Muslims taking over their culture and nations leaves out another aspect of their doctrines - anger at and towards the Jooooos and Israel. When you follow the communist left of Europe on the Internet (it’s got it’s own neighborhood in Kooksville) it sounds just like the Nazis. They blame the Jews for the bank messes, greedy capitalism, etc. The same old stuff. They hate Americans, too, claiming we are run by zionists.

Fascism and communism are the same socialist animal. It is just two groups of elitists vying for the bird seat of total control and oppression of groups of pepole they fear and hate. I think today that is a good description of the modern Left in Europe. The Europeans are weary of being the whipping boy for the communist end of socialism and they want their turn in power.


31 posted on 03/23/2013 9:27:47 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: riri

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32 posted on 03/23/2013 9:29:18 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: Viennacon

Lets see what these new Fascists do once they have power. Can they get things moving? Can they solve the problems in their lands? Can they make the trains run on time? Maybe a dose of good old fashioned Fascism is just what the doctor ordered. Just as long as it doesn’t go too far—like Hitler in the 3rd Reich. Say more like Franco in Spain or Evita and Juan in Argentina.


33 posted on 03/23/2013 11:11:20 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

I’ve been saying for a while now that these groups could be useful tools, at least for clearing out the Eurocrats, the Muslims, and the homosexual lobby.


34 posted on 03/23/2013 11:14:19 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: EBH
Keep in mind Pope Francis is more evangelist for the faith than other Popes in recent memory.

Yes, but first and foremost he needs to "rebuild my Church."

35 posted on 03/23/2013 12:00:40 PM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: RoosterRedux

There isn’t a single source or link in the “article” that backs up your bullshit claim.


36 posted on 03/23/2013 12:12:40 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck
It is the premise of the article.

Do you own research. I don't work for you.

37 posted on 03/23/2013 12:18:27 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: RoosterRedux
American conservatives really don't need to listen to any more neocon handwringing about the rise of 'fascism' in Europe, especially this unsupported gibberish about it being funded by radical Islam.

The Euro-socialists made their own bed now let them lie in it. We've got plenty to worry about right here at home. Sabe?

38 posted on 03/24/2013 7:08:05 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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