Rand Paul: Pathway To Citizenship Is Needed, E-Verify Is Not

HuffingtonPost.com | 03/19/2013 9:47 am EDT | Elise Foley

[SoConPubbie]

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) gave a full-throated endorsement on Tuesday for comprehensive immigration reform that would allow undocumented immigrants to become citizens but not expand the employment verification system, putting him at odds with members of his party.

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But Paul differs from many Republicans, and some Democrats, on employment verification. Paul singled out E-Verify, an already-existing federal effort to check employment status. It's considered necessary by many to ensure businesses aren't hiring workers they shouldn't, but it's also criticized as cumbersome for employers and too likely to give false positives that would keep citizens and legal immigrant workers from being hired.

"My plan will not, though -- and this is where I disagree with some in the bipartisan group -- impose a national ID card," he said. "It will also not have mandatory E-Verify. I don't mind if there's E-Verify, maybe related to the tax code somehow, but I don't like the idea of making every business owner a policeman."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/19/rand-paul-pathway-to-citizenship_n_2906587.html

[SoConPubbie]

"If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures." - Alexander Hamilton "We don't intend to turn the Republican Party over to the traitors in the battle just ended. We will have no more of those candidates who are pledged to the same goals as our opposition and who seek our support. Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn’t make any sense at all." -- President Ronald Reagan "A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." - Thomas Paine 1792 "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Samuel Adams "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams

[SoConPubbie]

Rand Paul Amnesty Ping!

It appears that Rand Paul has gone all liberal on us where Comprehensive Immigration Reform is concerned.

[Chickensoup]

My son told me that a schoolmate had the Gasdon flag flying from his truck and the school authorities made him take it down. They would not give a reason.

[Perdogg]

He did not use citizenship in his speech. He later told Hannity that these people would have to get in line behind everyone else if they wanted citizenship. This is an intentional distortion of what he said.

I am still waiting for a candidate who is favor of 100% mass deportation, let’s hold every one to the same standard.

[xzins]

Rand Paul has repeatedly denied that he has proposed a pathway to citizenship. He has insisted that he supports a pathway to legal status.

Those are very different.

The conflicting stories make it hard to figure out what the truth is.

[CAluvdubya]

This is what I was afraid of with Rand Paul. He sounded good....for about a minute. Now he’s Ron Paul, part II

[BarnacleCenturion]

The part about citizenship for illegals is false and has already been debunked. He never said that.

And e-verify would be an additional regulation imposed on businesses that would make them less competitive.

[Iron Munro]

Another “Great White Hope” fizzles out.

Rand has it backwards.

[SoConPubbie]

Rand Paul has repeatedly denied that he has proposed a pathway to citizenship. He has insisted that he supports a pathway to legal status.

Weasel words by someone who is more and more sounding like John McCain on this issue.

The truth is, he removes the illegality of the Illegals, thereby granting them Amnesty.

By doing that, the Illegals, if they choose to seek it, can get in line LEGALLY to become citizens.

This IS the pathway to citizenship for everyone.

So he is lying both when he does not support Amnesty or a pathway to citizenship, because that's EXACTLY what his plan does.

[SoConPubbie]

And e-verify would be an additional regulation imposed on businesses that would make them less competitive.

Still making excuses for the bad decisions of your boy Rand Paul, I see.

[SoConPubbie]

The part about citizenship for illegals is false and has already been debunked. He never said that.

Weasel words by someone who is more and more sounding like John McCain on this issue.

The truth is, he removes the illegality of the Illegals, thereby granting them Amnesty.

By doing that, the Illegals, if they choose to seek it, can get in line LEGALLY to become citizens.

This IS the pathway to citizenship for everyone.

So he is lying both when he does not support Amnesty or a pathway to citizenship, because that's EXACTLY what his plan does.

[xzins]

It’s hard to tell, SoCon. It would be easy enough for a lawmaker to insist that any legal status immigrant in this country must return to the country of origin to apply for citizenship and there is no way around.

They could write the law that way if they wanted to.

[SoConPubbie]

He did not use citizenship in his speech. He later told Hannity that these people would have to get in line behind everyone else if they wanted citizenship. This is an intentional distortion of what he said.

Actually, it is not. By removing their illegality by "Normalizing" them, they are then free and legal to pursue citizenship. This is the pathway to citizenship for everyone.

He can say he doesn't support it all day long, but his plan automatically removes the only roadblock in the way of illegals to entering the citizenship process.

He even states they have to get in the back of the line, which implies that they are now on the pathway to citizenship.

He's playing you.

[Gunslingr3]

By doing that, the Illegals, if they choose to seek it, can get in line LEGALLY to become citizens.

What if they don't want to be citizens, but just want to come here and pick tomatoes for half the year? Should we deny people who want to come here and work the ability to do so? If so, why?

[SoConPubbie]

It’s hard to tell, SoCon. It would be easy enough for a lawmaker to insist that any legal status immigrant in this country must return to the country of origin to apply for citizenship and there is no way around.

They could write the law that way if they wanted to.

True, but Rand Paul is not implying that, in fact, he is stating the exact opposite in his speeches, that this will normalize them and allow then to work.

[BarnacleCenturion]

“It appears that Rand Paul has gone all liberal”

LOL, you are the one pushing the liberal line that businesses should be punished with e-verify. They pay taxes so that the federal government can enforce the law and secure the border.

LMAO. You post BS from the Huffington Post and call Rand Paul a liberal. FYI, the Huffington Post has been banned from this site and so should you. You’ll feel right at home at DU with all the other obamabots. Here you’re just an annoying little troll.

[Will88]

but not expand the employment verification system, putting him at odds with members of his party.

No one should kid themselves, Rand Paul is an open borders libertarian. So, he even opposes e-verify, the most important piece of any internal immigration enforcement.

Those quibbling over the difference between a path to legal status and a path to citizenship are falling for Rand's ruse just as he intends. If such a ludicrous plan should be approved, only a few months would pass before some federal judge struck it down as being discriminatory and an unconstitutional second class status.

That's as dishonest and insulting as the constant quibbling over what is or isn't amnesty, when anything that waives the punishment prescribed by law (deportation) for a large group of people is by definition an amnesty.

Rand has joined the crowd who prefers to try and hoodwink the people over just telling the truth.

[SoConPubbie]

What if they don't want to be citizens, but just want to come here and pick tomatoes for half the year? Should we deny people who want to come here and work the ability to do so? If so, why?

1. They've committed all kinds of crime including, crossing the border illegally, ID Fraud, etc. that if you or I committed we'd be summarily thrown in jail.
2. They've been stealing from the taxpayers and are probably the main reason for the imbalance in budgets in States, Counties, and Cities in the United States, while taking jobs that Americans could have taken.
3. The Rule of Law???? 4. By allowing these leeches the ability to seek citizenship, you automatically start the process of the gradual death of the GOP and the party conservatives use right now to fight against the left.

I can't believe you asked that question on a Conservite website like FreeRepublic!

[Iron Munro]

Rand Paul has repeatedly denied that he has proposed a pathway to citizenship. He has insisted that he supports a pathway to legal status.

Sorry, but that is just not so.

Rand does support a plan that allows illegals to stay in the US and eventually have a "path to citizenship".
He just objects to calling it a "path to citizenship".

Here is one of many articles revealing his true position on the issue.
If you question the accuracy of this source just Google "rand no citizenship" or ""rand no amnesty" and you will find many others.

Remember - in spite of his invigorating CPAC speech he is still a politician at heart.

Rand Paul: Don't Call My Plan 'Pathway To Citizenship'

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) supports allowing undocumented immigrants to remain in the United States, receive legal status and eventually apply to become citizens. But he would rather not use the term "pathway to citizenship," he said Tuesday.

"I think we're trapped. The immigration debate has been trapped and it's been polarized by two terms: path to citizenship and amnesty," Rand told reporters on a conference call. "Everybody who doesn't want anything to move forward calls every proposal that somebody else wants 'pathway to citizenship' or 'you're granting amnesty.' Can't we have reform and just not call it by some names that discourage the progress from going forward?"

Paul gave an address earlier Tuesday to the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce where he laid out his desired plan for immigration reform. A number of news outlets, including this one, reported that Paul had endorsed the idea of a pathway to citizenship, although not using the term specifically. His office insisted later that he had been misinterpreted: he did not want any special avenue for people to become citizens, although his plan would allow them to do so.

[HomeAtLast]

a schoolmate had the Gasdon flag flying from his truck and the school authorities made him take it down. They would not give a reason.

Did it occur to him to make them give him a reason?