Not everyone of course, as these threads reveal, but it sure meets my description.
If the don't have to go home,
What Difference Does it Make?
Posted on 03/19/2013 12:08:09 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
The Associated Press is standing by its report that Sen. Rand Paul intended to back a path to citizenship in his speech Tuesday to the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, despite the fact that he did not do so, and despite claims from advisers that the AP's story is wrong.
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The AP obtained an advance copy of Sen. Paul’s remarks on Monday and reported that he would be "endorsing a pathway to citizenship for the nation's 11 million illegal immigrants." That report led to headlines across news outlets ranging from Fox News to The Washington Post to the Huffington Post claiming that Sen. Paul had endorsed "a pathway to citizenship."
But in a subsequent statement, Paul's office said the AP story was incorrect
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
You lie...
I have contacted every senate office via either phone or fax. I am urging them to ensure that such checks will include cross checking voter registration roles. We all know that amnesty is a voter registration drive for democrats. But, even though we are going to see congress forgive illegal entry, we should not accept people who have broken additional laws by committing vote fraud.
Not one office has responded positively. In fact, the only office that even responded at all.
I’m beginning to wonder if the 0bama and the dims found some serious blackmail material on Rand.
Very interesting. Not sure who to trust less here, Pollutico or Associated Pravda.
“The MSM fears Rand Paul and they will do everything they can to destroy him.”
And it’s working. The AP/MSM new what they were doing by publishing this report, facts be danged.
Er Knew, not new.
snookered...AP reports on the prepared text rather than the actual speech ....and it doesn't even make a difference.
Old stale RINO Bill Kristol calls Rand Paul ‘Neo-Isolationist’ and ‘dangerous’ (Video)
Monday, March 18, 2013 6:37:48 PM · 6 of 30
Norm Lenhart to manc
He’s more conservative than most of the GOP. But still pretty liberal. His statements and vote a couple weeks back on confirmation prove he is not to be trusted.
Let the fanboys scream. He had a fit in the media, made noise, then caved. That’s the reality. Thus he is not to be trusted.
Well, you can just read his speech. You won’t find anything about a path to citizenship or amnesty in it.
What good is a background check on an illegal immigrant anyway? I doubt they are going to check on their background in their country of origin, and most of them are living/working here under assumed names, so they won’t pick up much here.
I have not. I’m still in the process of education.
I too believe that Paul prefers a plan that will lead to amnesty. The context of the quote is in the competing news stories from outlets known to be unfriendly to Republicans in general.
Paul’s libertarian streak looks to be almost as large as his father’s. How large remains to be seen.
But we also must treat those who are already here with understanding and compassion.
The first part of my plan – border security – must be certified by Border Patrol and an Investigator General and then voted on by Congress to ensure it has been accomplished.
This is what I call, Trust but Verify.
With this in place, I believe conservatives will accept what needs to come next, an issue that must be addressed: what becomes of the 12 million undocumented workers in the United States?
My plan is very simple and will include work visas for those who are here, who are willing to come forward and work.
A bipartisan panel would determine number of visas per year. High tech visas would also be expanded and have a priority. Special entrepreneurial visas would also be issued.
Fairness is key in any meaningful immigration reform, but this fairness would cut both ways:
The modernization of our visa system and border security would allow us to accurately track immigration.
It would also enable us to let more people in and allow us to admit we are not going to deport the millions of people who are currently here illegally.
This is where prudence, compassion and thrift all point us toward the same goal: bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society.
Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors.
Certainly sounds like amnesty
Not this speech, no. Which was the context of my quote.
Should have supplied the source
Yes Rand. Let us expand the high tech visas so more programmers from China can do high tech espionage for minimum wage and keep our American programmers on welfare.
Because God knows, if American companies can save a buck, what’s a few catastrophic product failures in sensitive areas?
“Certainly sounds like amnesty”
There is no path to citizenship. And if the illegals don’t become citizens they can’t vote.
His plan is only meant to turn the illegals into taxpayers. Right now they are free loaders who are gaming the system with no risk of getting caught or of being sent home.
Really? Hasn’t stopped them so far.
“There is no path to citizenship. And if the illegals don’t become citizens they can’t vote.”
Yes, they can and do vote in many municipalities, but not for president. Look it up.
Reagan’s biggest mistake was falling for the amnesty trap in 1986. Too many Republicans are doing the same thing, Democrats have no plans to secure the border. I like Rand, and of the people I think will run in ‘16 he’s the one I’m most likely to vote for, but as long as dems have the senate, the house, or the presidency there will be no attempt to secure the border.
With that said, I have a feeling by time 2016 rolls around illegal immigration will be the least of our concerns.
They’ll be “regularized” in every respect. Then in the name of “fairness” they will be made citizens. It is the Fabian way. Brick by brick.
“My plan will not grant amnesty or move anyone to the front of the line” says Paul. Yet they ARE at the front of the line! They are here!
Don’t make me laugh.
Secure the border; deport illegal aliens on contact with police; stop enticing illegal aliens: no driver license, no college tuition, nothing whatsoever; prosecute employers.
It’s really pretty damn simple. What is wrong with these politicians?
Look, as long as they are here they should pay taxes. Right now they’re just free loading.
And if Rand’s plan goes into effect, they will all be registered but will not become citizens.
So, if a few years down the road you decide to begin deportation proceeding you will know exactly where to find them. It’s a brilliant plan the more I think about it.
Here is the problem in a nutshell and I defy anyone to prove me incorrect.
“Conservatives and those who claim to be are scared poopless. They are waking up to the reality that the GOP has been liberal for several years and they are going through the ‘grief stages’. Currently most are still in denial but some are in the bargaining stage.
They think there is some double secret plan that will emerge and slay the liberal dragon. They, like Fox Mulder, want to ‘believe’. But to turn a phrase on Reagan, “They believe many things that just aren’t so”.
Reality” The GOP and people like Rand Paul ARE the problem. They stab us in the back, piss on our leg and tell us it’s raining. And the saddest thing I see is Conservatives acting like the blacks on the Democrat plantation.
People, have some freaking self respect!
So when Rands brilliant plan results in your daughter raped by a tak paying illegal that should have been deported, and your wife is killed by a taxpaying illegal who should have been deported, you will naturally be good with that, correct?
Why wouldn’t the AP stand by it? They will suffer no consequences as a result, and the misrepresentation furthers their ends. Of course they stand by it.
When the Democrat controlled media likes anything the Repubs do, the Repubs are doing it Wrong.
This often happens when someone is too successful too fast. He needs to regain his sense and soon.
“should have been deported”
Nobody is being deported at the moment. So, in that regard, nothing will change. It’s unrealistic to think that a plan that includes deportations will pass in the democrat controlled senate.
You have to look at all the alternatives. The other plans that are being discussed in the house and in the senate will turn at least 20 million illegals into voting citizens overnight.
The other glaring problem with any loosening of the standards for staying here is that you KNOW the hispanic and immigrants rights groups will immediately file suit with one friendly court after another until some judge declares that we don't have 'second class persons' in this country.
Making them citizens will then become the next 'gay marriage'-like cultural crusade.
Political pressure will be irresistible and it WILL happen.
Lawbreakers cannot be rewarded. And although thats exactly what will end up happening here it will have to do so without my support.
I note you did not answer my question. Instead you, like so many before you diverted the issue. Here’s the facts:
We have a path to citizenship now. It is a good one. People use it every day from all over the world.
Illegal has a clear definition. When one engages in illegal acts, one is a criminal. Regardless of age or bleeding heart liberalism/feelgood forum posts.
The GOP is supposed to be the opposition to Dem liberalism, not act as the ‘lesser evil’ option so people can ‘feel good’ saying that ‘we got some of what we wanted’.
Incrimental approaches work. Ask the Sierra Club.
You either accept criminal ‘citizens’ and the GOP playing Kabuki theater games to get to the end result of illegals here under feel good bullXhit premises, or you do not.
You believe in a functioning border or you do not.
You want the rule of law or you do not.
Period.
Not everyone of course, as these threads reveal, but it sure meets my description.
If the don't have to go home,
What Difference Does it Make?
“Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors.”
Sounds like 12 million more lower wage earners who will get earned income and child tax credits and get more back than they contribute.
And the 12 million undocumented workers equates to at least 30 million illegals when you factor in the children and pregnant wives and/or girlfriends who are not workers.
Does it mention anything about any of them being deported? Didn’t think so, in fact he does say we will not round them up and deport.
Yep big difference. Citizens can stay here forever.
Illegals will not be deported.
Totally true, and anyone who tries to put that "front of the line" or " back of the line" nonsense over on the American people shouldn't be believed on anything.
The line for immigration is in the home countries of the immigrants, not in the USA. All this talk of "the line" has become as big a decption and ruse as the claim that these schemes aren't amnesty.
And Rand is on Hannity lying about "the line" as I type. He's now moved the normal line into the US. Bet all those folks in line in their home nations feel foolish.
What dream world do you live in? The Supreme Court is about to rule that all yo have to do is give your word that you are a citizen to vote. California has a law that you can't even ask about citizenship at the polls. Many cities let non citizens vote in elections.
Ok then...
The one thing we can console ourselves with is that once amnesty is passed, all the people who went along with the GOP on it will suffer financially and perhaps even personally.
I am to the point where I literally hope to see them get what they asked for. In spades. Whare’s that Cartman pic about delicious tears of sadness when you need it?
With that said, I have a feeling by time 2016 rolls around illegal immigration will be the least of our concerns."
Noob makes the best post of the thread.
“And it’s working. The AP/MSM new what they were doing by publishing this report, facts be danged.”
It really is cary when major news outlets are willing and able to lie and slander so aggrievedly to suppress political rivals.
I suppose on the bright-side this might improve Rand Paul’s standing with liberal Hispanics. Hopefully Conservatives will know the truth and not hold their lies against him.
Oh, please.
He says they can go to the back of the line? Back of the line for what? Tea and crumpets? NO, for citizenship. That’s amnesty.
Paul is now politically finished. This free drugs — free sex - and free amnesty crap is now our target. I got suckered too so don’t be ashamed. We need a leader and it is not this amnesty loving bastard and it is not Marco Rino. Seek we the light!!!
I’ve read one page of posts here and it looks as though they have succeeded, whether they were reporting the truth or not.
” You believe in a functioning border or you do not.
You want the rule of law or you do not.
Period.”
Apparently, this is too difficult for many here to understand.
Don’t worry. It’s recently been established that one can be/think/believe whatever the hell they want and still be part of the Conservative club. We have to broaden our horizons afterall.....
In the last month I have seen “Conservatives” argue for win at all costs, Accept Abortion moderation (the lives of children) in exchange for votes, A moderated homo-marriage stance and more.
So it’s all good!!!!
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