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Woman killed, child raped in NY mall carjacking
Associated Press ^ | Mar 15 2013 | GEORGE M. WALSH

Posted on 03/15/2013 2:12:56 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - An upstate New York man previously charged with having child pornography cut an electronic monitoring device off his ankle before carjacking a woman, fatally stabbing her and raping her 10-year-old daughter, authorities said.

David J. Renz, 29, abducted a school librarian and her daughter as they left a gymnastics class at a mall in the Syracuse suburb of Clay at about 9 p.m. Thursday, state police said Friday.

Troopers said he bound both victims, raped the child and drove a short distance to a spot where the girl managed to escape and was found by a passing motorist.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; child; cuomosdoorstep; newyork; secondamendment; secretasianman; selfdefense; selfdefenseisaright; shadylizard
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The best monitoring device is a headstone.
1 posted on 03/15/2013 2:12:56 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Merciful heavens, that poor child.


2 posted on 03/15/2013 2:16:37 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

And DEMOCRATS want to take away womens right to carry.

One bullet = lady would be alive, little girl would be safe, useless piece of garbage would be where he belonged a long time ago.


3 posted on 03/15/2013 2:17:41 PM PDT by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Disturbing beyond description. Does NY have a version of Jessica’s law in place (even though it is irrelevant in this instance, as murder was committed)?


4 posted on 03/15/2013 2:17:55 PM PDT by BlueStateRightist (Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper; Morgana

Another one who should have been removed from society


5 posted on 03/15/2013 2:20:55 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
The best monitoring device is a headstone.

Well said, Berlin_Freeper!

6 posted on 03/15/2013 2:21:18 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Standing Wolf

Prayers up for mom and child


7 posted on 03/15/2013 2:22:58 PM PDT by k4gypsyrose
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Anyone see a problem in this scenario?
Renz was charged on Jan. 9 in federal court with possession of child pornography. On Jan. 29, a judge granted a prosecutor's request for an extension of the time required for grand jury action so investigators could continue going over "numerous items of electric media" for additional evidence.

Renz, who authorities said had no prior police record, was released after agreeing to stay at home at night with an electronic monitor and away from any place he might encounter people under the age of 18.

This is a guy that had THOUSANDS of videos and photos of small girls engaged in sex play.
8 posted on 03/15/2013 2:25:11 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Satan is having his way with us. We’re not tapping into the power that will stop him.


9 posted on 03/15/2013 2:27:14 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: madprof98

Sickening beyond words.


10 posted on 03/15/2013 2:27:33 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Berlin_Freeper

And yet, NY has resources to go after big sugary drinks.

This is sad all around, especially where it happened...


11 posted on 03/15/2013 2:29:04 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Establishment Republicans don't like that totalitarian thing unless it is THEIR totalitarian thing!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I guess I’m just a problem/solution kind of guy.

We have an overwhelming debt crisis, at a time when taxes are too high already.

We have dirt bag idiot/monsters like this.

Problem/solution

A national lottery at $100 a pop. Winner gets to pull the trigger that sends a round through the head of this POS.

I’m in.

Probably only raise 1/2 a billion or so - but we do seem to have a near unlimited supply of dirtbags.


12 posted on 03/15/2013 2:30:33 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: envisio
And DEMOCRATS want to take away womens right to carry. One bullet = lady would be alive, little girl would be safe, useless piece of garbage would be where he belonged a long time ago.

With all the liberal 'crying for criminals' crap and 'soft on crime' liberal judges - this monster will be out soon to do the same thing over again... as you say - one bullet could have put him away where he belongs - hidden under the dirt with the rest of the filth.

13 posted on 03/15/2013 2:32:14 PM PDT by GOPJ (DHS HAS secured: 1.6 BILLION bullets - 2.700 tanks and 35,000 drones ...to use on American soil...)
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To: envisio

This woman clearly needed an AR-15 with a 30-round magazine.


14 posted on 03/15/2013 2:32:57 PM PDT by MeganC (The left have so twisted public perceptions that the truth now appears pornographic.- SpaceBar)
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To: madprof98

Blood and a little girl’s sanity on some people hands. The legal system needs to meet justice


15 posted on 03/15/2013 2:33:27 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (What has the GOP done today to gain your support in 2014?)
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To: envisio

Only Cuomo, Shumer, Bloomberg and the “worthy ones” in NY are allowed to carry or have their bodyguards do the carrying for them.

All other New Yorkers are expendable.


16 posted on 03/15/2013 2:34:10 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I refuse to specify whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

One rich man. Just one willing to spend gigabucks on an internet media blitz and all of the gun control crap would end...as would many Dem / Lib politicians careers.

Just one.


17 posted on 03/15/2013 2:37:54 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: I cannot think of a name
"A national lottery at $100 a pop. Winner gets to pull the trigger that sends a round through the head of this POS."

People are inclined to cite studies showing that capital punishment has no deterrent effect; if true, I suspect this is a fairly modern development coincidental with the doing away with public executions.

I have long thought that monsters like this should be executed on pay-per-view with all proceeds going to the victim's family.

18 posted on 03/15/2013 2:38:46 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: MeganC
This woman clearly needed an AR-15 with a 30-round magazine.

Why not just fire off a 12 GA. through the door. Nevermind, that only works at home.

19 posted on 03/15/2013 2:39:16 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: I cannot think of a name
"I guess I’m just a problem/solution kind of guy."

Curious assertion, given your screen name ;-)

20 posted on 03/15/2013 2:40:11 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: GOPJ

Democrats protect and work to increase the criminal class so that they can run on the need for a larger and more expensive government.


21 posted on 03/15/2013 2:41:48 PM PDT by monocle
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To: Joe 6-pack
People are inclined to cite studies showing that capital punishment has no deterrent effect

It's a deterrent for the offender!

22 posted on 03/15/2013 2:48:11 PM PDT by CharlesI (They're not liberals, they're leftists and elitists!)
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To: CharlesI

Of course it is, but IMHO, the deterrent effect is irrelevant. It is a fitting punishment for the deliberate and intentional taking of an innocent life, and should need no further justification than that.


23 posted on 03/15/2013 2:50:08 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
That's because you don't think like a left-winger.

And you are absolutely correct.

24 posted on 03/15/2013 2:58:56 PM PDT by CharlesI (They're not liberals, they're leftists and elitists!)
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To: I cannot think of a name
I'l take two tickets, please.

CC

25 posted on 03/15/2013 2:59:18 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Hey liberals, what part of "unalienable" don't you understand?)
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To: showme_the_Glory

It could work in a car, too. One of our back-up pieces is an older 12ga flare gun that we have loaded with a standard 12ga 00 round. I’ve fired it and it’s got one heckuva kick but it also makes a very big hole at short range.


26 posted on 03/15/2013 3:05:02 PM PDT by MeganC (The left have so twisted public perceptions that the truth now appears pornographic.- SpaceBar)
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To: freedumb2003

Well, try and remember that it’s NYC that went after soda. NY State, at this point, is refusing to enact that stupid and pointless ban.

What a tragic, evil story.


27 posted on 03/15/2013 3:12:25 PM PDT by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

A the Great Outdoors, one can buy a can of mace for like $10 dollars. How does one man abduct two people?

I am sorry to read this. I hope women start to think of how they can fight back.


28 posted on 03/15/2013 3:14:44 PM PDT by Truth2012
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To: k4gypsyrose

“Prayers up for mom and child”.

It is bad enough that this poor child was bound and raped but to watch her Mother get fatally stabbed in front of her. I pray that this innocent child can heal.


29 posted on 03/15/2013 3:16:27 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: Berlin_Freeper

These monsters either need to be killed or locked up for life, there is no rehabilitation with them.


30 posted on 03/15/2013 3:18:10 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Looks like NY’s “Safe” act is really working out well.


31 posted on 03/15/2013 3:20:12 PM PDT by BerserkPatriot (Why is the Democratic National Socialist Committee waging a War on liberty?)
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To: envisio
And DEMOCRATS want to take away womens right to carry.

But, to the progressives, this woman is far more virtuous lying dead in a field than she would be had she killed her attacker (permanently stopping him from doing this to someone else.)

32 posted on 03/15/2013 3:21:37 PM PDT by Washi (PUSH BACK! Encourage your legislators to introduce pro-second amendment legislation.)
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To: madprof98

“This is a guy that had THOUSANDS of videos and photos of small girls engaged in sex play. “

Someone will be along shortly to say it’s merely a coincidence.


33 posted on 03/15/2013 3:25:06 PM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: Truth2012

“A the Great Outdoors, one can buy a can of mace for like $10 dollars. How does one man abduct two people?

I am sorry to read this. I hope women start to think of how they can fight back.”

He sits next to the child, with the knife around the kid’s neck.

But agree with your general point, that was a life-threatening situation (obviously) and she needed a better plan than compliance.


34 posted on 03/15/2013 3:28:13 PM PDT by HEM
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To: envisio

-— One bullet = lady -—

She’s supposed to say that she has an STD.

Your method might work better, though...


35 posted on 03/15/2013 3:28:51 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Standing Wolf
"The best monitoring device is a headstone."

Well said, Berlin_Freeper!

I understand the sentiment, but this piece of excrement does not deserve a memorial head stone. I would not use his remains to feed to pigs. . . The pigs might get food poisoning from this offal.

36 posted on 03/15/2013 3:29:30 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

AMEN! This makes me sick!


37 posted on 03/15/2013 3:31:30 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: I cannot think of a name

“Winner gets to pull the trigger that sends a round through the head of this POS”

Too good for the SOB. A bullet in the brain only snuffs out the light just as painlessly as the guillotine’s blade.

Winner should cheat & aim for the goblin’s groin, so he can think about it for a while as he bleeds out.


38 posted on 03/15/2013 3:31:55 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: momtothree

I went to HS with a girl who was stabbed along with her mother during a home robbery by a stranger. The mother died but the teenager survived. Even with the best of care and a great supportive network, she still has problems because of the incident, and this is now 35 years later. I’m afraid that the girl in this news story will always be scarred, but I pray for her best recovery.


39 posted on 03/15/2013 3:33:28 PM PDT by FamiliarFace
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To: FamiliarFace

I agree. Something “died” in your friend that day and I think people may forget that. Such trauma... even with help, a supportive family, counseling, you name it.. it doesn’t go away, does it? That is why, IMHO, this man should be executed. He not only killed the Mother but “killed” the daughter that day. I, too, pray for her best recovery.


40 posted on 03/15/2013 3:36:56 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: Berlin_Freeper

>> man previously charged with having child pornography cut an electronic monitoring device

Charged or sentenced?

The # should have been executed.


41 posted on 03/15/2013 3:37:00 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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How about bringing this depraved asshole up before Congress, and let the commie scumbags explain why this pedophile, rapist, murderer, is allowed to walk, yet respectful, law abiding citizens are not permitted to own serious weaponry.


42 posted on 03/15/2013 3:41:22 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
People are inclined to cite studies showing that capital punishment has no deterrent effect;

It certainly has the attrition effect. There aren't that many hardened, violent criminals who cannot be suffered alive. The policy of "catch and release" just produces better criminals, often with revenge in their minds.

I suspect this is a fairly modern development coincidental with the doing away with public executions.

I read that even in olde times, when public executions were the norm, most criminals were sure that *they* will never be caught. True or not? On one hand, crime then was so high that no nobleman would ever venture out unarmed; bodyguards were often present. On the other hand, law enforcement was often left to the same noblemen and their soldiers. The city guard was not very efficient, poorly paid, and was largely focused on staying alive.

43 posted on 03/15/2013 3:42:44 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: demshateGod

“Satan is having his way with us. We’re not tapping into the power that will stop him.”

You, my FRiend, said it better than anyone. You’re exactly right. Post of the day!!!


44 posted on 03/15/2013 3:43:24 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Why am I both pro-life & pro-gun? Because both positions defend the innocent and protect the weak.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Will this subhuman savage be put to death? And why not? The laws prevent it. The laws need to be changed.
It’s not humane to abolish the death penalty because a “disproportionate number of ‘minorities’ are put to death”

It’s humane to put subhuman savages to death so they will not murder and rape again.


45 posted on 03/15/2013 3:47:20 PM PDT by I want the USA back
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To: Persevero

I wouldn’t last 5 minutes as a Cop.


46 posted on 03/15/2013 3:58:37 PM PDT by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: demshateGod

Oh, a high speed injection of a very dense heavy metal to the cranium will introduce severe brain poisoning, one way or the other, thereby terminating the demon’s existence in very short order.

Works EVERY time its tried.

No Fooling.

Unfortunately, the young lady did not have an injector on hand. Thank you nanny staters.


47 posted on 03/15/2013 4:11:22 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslymz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: MeganC

Oh Jeez, doncha know he WOULD HAVE TAKEN THE AR away from her! Women are just too stupid and timid to have a firearm. You don’t know that?

Its just a good thing she DIDN’T have a weapon! After all, she probably would have been SHOT TO DEATH with it!

Instead of that horror, she was just stabbed to death. No problem! Can’t you understand that?

/major angry sarc>


48 posted on 03/15/2013 4:17:09 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslymz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Actually “Freakonomics” claimed (I don’t know how you can “prove” it one way or another) that executions were fairly effective in preventing murders with each execution preventing about six murders.

Now, just imagine the impact if executions were TIMELY and PUBLIC.


49 posted on 03/15/2013 4:19:03 PM PDT by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: I cannot think of a name

A lottery to raise funds so that the government has more money to spend is no kind of solution to a debt crisis. We need to starve the beast, not hold a food drive for it.


50 posted on 03/15/2013 4:30:30 PM PDT by Boogieman
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