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Mark Kelly’s story on AR-15 purchase prompts skeptical open letter
Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 12 March, 2013 | David Codrea

Posted on 03/12/2013 6:31:14 PM PDT by marktwain

Dear Capt. Kelly,

Houston, we have a problem: Your story makes no sense.

You’re against rifles like the semiautomatic AR-15, which look like weapons of war, when you know full well the military doesn’t use them, but instead uses the select fire-capable M16. Yet you go to a dealer to buy a .45, a sidearm, which was actually, in your words, “designed for the military.” I’m not following your logic here.

You say as you were leaving the gun store, you noticed a used AR-15 and bought that, too. You then complain about your background check, and use that to attack private sales which don’t undergo background checks. I’m not following your logic here.

You say you have not taken possession of the gun yet, but when you do will turn it over to the Tucson Police. Why? If you wanted to buy them a gun, you could have just given them the money. If you wanted to prove how easy undocumented sales are, you could have bought one privately and taken possession of it instead of going through the trouble of proving you’re not a prohibited person. I’m not following your logic here.

The most troubling thing is, you didn’t “admit” that was your intent until after your purchase had been reported by alternative media and people were commenting on what appears to be hypocrisy of the highest order, compounded with implausible excuse-making. You then told CNN that making a Facebook announcement was something you and your “people” had a plan for, but you didn’t know when, like it’s some kind of big decision you have to consult a team on. I’m not following your logic here.

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Kelly is being ripped on this. It would never happen without the little bit of free press that exists in the new media.

The left is used to being given a pass on everything.

1 posted on 03/12/2013 6:31:14 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Silly Proles, don’t you know that those silly laws do not apply to your betters?


2 posted on 03/12/2013 6:33:14 PM PDT by Tea Party Terrorist (Those who work for a living are now outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: marktwain

liberalism can’t exist without hypocrisy

their #1 rule is “It’s okay when we do it”


3 posted on 03/12/2013 6:33:37 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: marktwain

Kelly is a freeloading gold digger in search of a free ride through life.


4 posted on 03/12/2013 6:34:28 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Progressive, Marxist liberals do not evolve, they morph into fascists.)
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To: marktwain

Why didn’t he pick up the gun when he bought it? Was he having the dealer accessorise it?


5 posted on 03/12/2013 6:37:15 PM PDT by umgud
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To: marktwain

I thought the police could get fully automatic weapons,so a semi would just end up being destroyed


6 posted on 03/12/2013 6:37:25 PM PDT by archaicoldschool (.)
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To: marktwain
Kelly is being ripped on this.

Ripped to shreds on his own facebook page, too.
7 posted on 03/12/2013 6:40:40 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: marktwain

He reminds me of the child pornography collectors who try to claim they’re merely “researching” child pornography.


8 posted on 03/12/2013 6:45:12 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: marktwain

Anyone an operating brain cell knows this guy is full of more crap than a Christmas goose. Buy an AR-15 for the purpose of giving it to police ... right. Try again, sport.


9 posted on 03/12/2013 6:48:17 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: marktwain

Buying a gun with intent to turn around and give it to someone else like that is a straw purchase and a felony...

Woops.

Maybe him and that 30-round magazine news-tard can share a jail cell for their Federally mandated minimum ten yer sentence.


10 posted on 03/12/2013 6:49:34 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Standing Wolf

“I” only bought PLAYBOY (45 years ago) to read the articles! ;-D


11 posted on 03/12/2013 6:54:17 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: marktwain

Maybe he’s planning to run against Ashley Judd in the Ky Dem senatorial primary....


12 posted on 03/12/2013 7:01:38 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Standing Wolf

BINGO!


13 posted on 03/12/2013 7:06:28 PM PDT by frogjerk (Obama: Government by Freakout)
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To: marktwain

I would like to see the conservative press delve into how Jerald Loughner got the gun in the first place. Loughner was known to the police, he was scaring people at his school. Why did the Democrat sheriff give him a license to buy a gun? And why did the same sheriff start blaming the Republicans just hours after the shooting? Was he trying to divert blame away from himself? Why did the Democrats bring up Sarah Palin’s website because of the innocent target pictures that she used? And why doesn’t Gabriel Gifford’s husband not take his fellow Democrat the sheriff of Tucson to task for giving a gun license to an obvious pyscho? Where is the national Democratic party on all of this?


14 posted on 03/12/2013 7:09:25 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: umgud
five day hold on the NICS check???
15 posted on 03/12/2013 7:14:03 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: GeronL

That’s because most liberals profile with anti-social tendencies and many are genuinely sociopathic.


16 posted on 03/12/2013 7:20:22 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: marktwain

i have never met anyone who has bought something legal they don’t believe in, just so they could turn it into the police.

they do not exist. kelly is lying and he’s a libtard for thinking we’re dumb enough to believe his lies.


17 posted on 03/12/2013 7:25:12 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: marktwain

Lovin’ it.


18 posted on 03/12/2013 7:31:44 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Kelly struck me as a slimeball from day one. But for the fact that he was an astronaut he would have has zero chance with Giffords. Correct me if I’m wrong... Didn’t he fly a shuttle mission after she was shot? Anyone? Anyone?


19 posted on 03/12/2013 7:34:04 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: marktwain

“something you and your “people” had a plan for, but you didn’t know when, like it’s some kind of big decision you have to consult a team on.”

What kind of plan? Like maybe a staged, public mass shooting attempt? Seems to be the latest rage.......


20 posted on 03/12/2013 7:36:01 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: HMS Surprise

Yeah. His gun grab is payback to Obama for that last shuttle mission they gave him because a loon shot his wife.


21 posted on 03/12/2013 7:36:43 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Progressive, Marxist liberals do not evolve, they morph into fascists.)
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To: HMS Surprise

Yeah his brother was on the space station when Giffords was shot but Mark Kelly was already scheduled for the next launch. The twins in space thing was all about PR in my opinion.


22 posted on 03/12/2013 7:39:05 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: marktwain

An American “astronaut” in 2013 is sort of a joke that sums up the state of our collapsing nation.

How will this “astronaut” get into space? Jumping? Flapping his arms?


23 posted on 03/12/2013 7:42:58 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marktwain

I once bought a gun just as a test of the legality of doing so. Having studied NY gun laws for years, I wanted to see how “extreme” a gun I could get. Months of paperwork later, including the Sheriff saying “I’ve not signed such paperwork in my 13 years in this office, enjoy it and make sure I never hear about it again”, I had a 12ga pistol.

I didn’t promptly hand it over to police.
A decade later, it’s not 10 feet from me now, one of my favorites.


24 posted on 03/12/2013 7:46:58 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (3% of the population perpetrates >50% of homicides...but gun control advocates blame metal boxes.)
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To: Travis McGee

How will this “astronaut” get into space? Jumping? Flapping his arms?

Uhhh no...the once proud nation of America now pays the Russian’s to send our astronauts up to our Space Station.

Another form of Re-distribution of wealth re: Agenda 21.


25 posted on 03/12/2013 7:50:59 PM PDT by Captain7seas (Fire Jane Lubchenco and John Pistole.)
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To: cradle of freedom

Sheriffs in Arizona don’t give out ‘gun licenses’. Arizona has no such process.

The concept of ‘gun license’ is pretty much limited to some New England states.


26 posted on 03/12/2013 8:24:48 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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To: HMS Surprise

YEP! All publicity and Politics! He really is a Slimeball!


27 posted on 03/12/2013 8:54:45 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD SAVE OUR AMERICA from ALLAH and his Prophet, HUSSEIN OBAMA!!)
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To: Travis McGee

He got there flapping his mouth and marrying Giffords!


28 posted on 03/12/2013 8:57:24 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD SAVE OUR AMERICA from ALLAH and his Prophet, HUSSEIN OBAMA!!)
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To: umgud
Why didn’t he pick up the gun when he bought it?

In this Breitbart article the reason given is that a customer either traded or sold the gun to the gun store. The store owner put a 20 day hold on it to make sure it doesn't show up as stolen or linked to a crime.
Mark Kelly can pick it up after the 20 day hold.

29 posted on 03/12/2013 9:08:18 PM PDT by FreedomOfExpression
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To: ctdonath2

The mere thought of firing a 12ga pistol makes my wrist hurt.


30 posted on 03/12/2013 9:28:07 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: ctdonath2

And how many children have you killed with it?


31 posted on 03/12/2013 9:42:16 PM PDT by Last of the Mohicans
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To: umgud
Why didn’t he pick up the gun when he bought it? Was he having the dealer accessorise it?

Maybe he's trusting Eric Holder to not make waves about him committing a felony by lying on his form 4473. Either Kelly perjured himself by saying "yes" to "are you the actual purchaser?", or said "no", in which case the store could not sell him anything. But Kelly was "doing his duty" in an attempt to blame legal gun dealers and citizens, just as DOJ and BATFE were doing with "Fast and Furious".

32 posted on 03/13/2013 12:47:01 AM PDT by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Kelly doesn’t believe “we” are dumb enough to believe him and his lies, he only needs to convince the 47% and anti-guns crazies to believe him. You know the typical Lib/socialist/dem/Obama supporter.


33 posted on 03/13/2013 1:02:26 AM PDT by repubpub ("History, in general, only informs us of what bad government is." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Cyber Liberty

As well it should.
You’ll not fire more than 3 rounds, if not just 1.
But you’ll spend the next week with a huge grin.


34 posted on 03/13/2013 4:07:32 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (3% of the population perpetrates >50% of homicides...but gun control advocates blame metal boxes.)
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To: Last of the Mohicans

Pumpkins fear me.


35 posted on 03/13/2013 4:08:21 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (3% of the population perpetrates >50% of homicides...but gun control advocates blame metal boxes.)
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To: marktwain

As an FFL holder, this story got my dander up. We need to get serious about these people, especially in light of comments that Kelly made elsewhere about looking forward to purchasing guns at a gun show. To wit, we need to compile a database of names and other info on known anti-gunners. I don’t have a business, but if I did I would not sell Mark Kelly so much as a cleaning brush, let alone an AR-15. Others might choose to sell to him and then immediately leak as much information as is legally possible to friendly media outlet. We know that some time ago Sarah Brady bought a gun for her son. Had that information come out in a timely manner it would have been an excellent tool to use against the antis. I suspect that leftwingers buy LOTS of guns, including “evil black guns”. Let’s make a list and check it twice.


36 posted on 03/13/2013 6:27:17 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: marktwain

Why are you evil conservatives being so mean to Mark Kelly? What happened is not his fault! Everyone knows that AR15s can force poor unsuspecting citizens into purchasing them by proximity alone. That’s why his story makes no sense. LEAVE MARK ALONE!


37 posted on 03/13/2013 6:31:14 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: HMS Surprise; All

Yes, it does go to show you that you can command a Shuttle mission, but are not smarter than the average gun owning patriot...

There have been a few astronauts who have come on later to be rather unstable, quirky, and pains in the ass after their flights...

Not all of them are saints...


38 posted on 03/13/2013 6:48:34 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Travis McGee

NASA is testing a new launching procedure...

It involves eating some of the outstanding Tex-Mex in the area, holding your breath the next morning and lighting a fart...

The ascent performance guys over at the propulsion test division are looking into this...


39 posted on 03/13/2013 6:51:50 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Travis McGee
How will this “astronaut” get into space? Jumping? Flapping his arms?

Let's drop him from 40K feet and find out.

40 posted on 03/13/2013 7:54:11 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: ctdonath2
a 12ga pistol

Please, don't make me use this. No, seriously, please, please, please - don't make me use this. This will hurt me more than it hurts you (almost). :-)

41 posted on 03/13/2013 8:04:24 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Buck Off, Bronco Bama)
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To: Dead Corpse

“...is a straw purchase and a felony......”

Nah, He’ll be a felon just like the moron Agent of the State who touched off a round in a classroom full of kids a few years back.

He’s one of “The Onliest Ones” - you know, the Onliest One who be’s professhnul’nuff to handle dis here GLock40...BANG!


42 posted on 03/13/2013 8:38:28 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Standing Wolf

He reminds me of the child pornography collectors who try to claim they’re merely “researching” child pornography.


That was precisely my first reaction to this story.


43 posted on 03/13/2013 8:57:36 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: Dead Corpse

Buying a gun with intent to turn around and give it to someone else like that is a straw purchase and a felony...


I believe you’re wrong.


44 posted on 03/13/2013 8:58:04 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: Standing Wolf
He reminds me of the child pornography collectors who try to claim they’re merely “researching” child pornography

That is one shrewd observation.

45 posted on 03/13/2013 9:02:36 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: umgud

Didn’t think of that. His plans probably changed whe he got caught buying it.


46 posted on 03/13/2013 9:27:01 AM PDT by matt04
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To: Standing Wolf

“Surfing porn? Why, no, dear; I was only researching it!”


47 posted on 03/13/2013 9:29:17 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Hardastarboard

Slugs hurt the most. Big, full power, 1.5 oz, fast-impulse slugs. Your thumb will hate you. And you will laugh very hard.


48 posted on 03/13/2013 9:54:58 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (3% of the population perpetrates >50% of homicides...but gun control advocates blame metal boxes.)
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To: Travis McGee
An American “astronaut” in 2013 is sort of a joke that sums up the state of our collapsing nation.

How will this “astronaut” get into space? Jumping? Flapping his arms?




Jose Jimenez is a leg up on Mark Kelly.
49 posted on 03/13/2013 10:50:23 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: Dead Corpse
Buying a gun with intent to turn around and give it to someone else like that is a straw purchase and a felony...

Yup. The form 4473, that he had to sign, specifically states that the buyer is not purchasing the gun on behalf of anyone else.

Kelly also said that he plans to sell the gun across state lines and eventually turn it over to the police. Unless he sells it to a police officer, I'm not sure how he can do both. But in any case, right now Kelly's a hypocrite. If he hands the weapon over to the police, as he said he wants to, that would make him a felon. And I think depending on the state, if he tries to sell the gun across state lines, that could compound the felony.

50 posted on 03/13/2013 11:32:30 AM PDT by raisetheroof ("To become Red is to become dead --- gradually." Alexander Solzhenitsyn)
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