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Can poor people be trusted with guns?
foxnews.com ^ | 12 March, 2013 | John Lott

Posted on 03/12/2013 6:15:33 PM PDT by marktwain

Can poor people be trusted with guns? Overwhelmingly, Republicans thinks so. But while Democrats fight against taxes on the poor and oppose voter photo IDs because they impose too much of burden, they seem to be doing everything possible – from fees, expensive training requirements, and photo IDs -- to make it next to impossible for the poor to own guns.

Indeed, legislation in at least 17 states around the country is aimed specifically at making it more costly to own a gun. Democrats are voting in mass against exempting the poor from fees when it comes to guns. New Yorkers aren't alone facing everything from registration fees to buying liability insurance.

That's too bad, because many law-abiding citizens, particularly minorities in crime-ridden neighborhoods really do need a gun for self-defense. There is little doubt that the people who are most likely to be victims of violent crime – again, overwhelmingly poor blacks in urban areas -- are also the ones who benefit the most from owning guns. Research, including my own, has demonstrated this.

Apparently, Democrats believe that the right to self-defense is something that only belongs to the wealthy.

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TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: banglist; democrats; guncontrol; johnlott; liberalfascism; lott; poor; secondamendment
The elephant in the room. All these fees and requirements are unconstitutional infringements.
1 posted on 03/12/2013 6:15:33 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Can poor people be trusted with guns?

They’re probably more trustworthy the Federal or State Agents.


2 posted on 03/12/2013 6:17:50 PM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: marktwain

A poor person can be trusted more with a gun than a rich person can be trusted in government.


3 posted on 03/12/2013 6:18:00 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: marktwain
If you've got a gun and a wee bit of ammo...you are rich.

Well, at least you'll be able to feed your family when the SHTF.

The inside the beltway crowd, metro NYC, and LA will be dead in a week.

4 posted on 03/12/2013 6:21:25 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: marktwain

Don’t forget Old Folks on fixed incomes.


5 posted on 03/12/2013 6:22:29 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: marktwain

The one good thing coming out of this is they are finally being honest about their true goal. Never again can they deny they seek to ban all firearms.


6 posted on 03/12/2013 6:26:15 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain

What a stupid question - to the headline.


7 posted on 03/12/2013 6:27:22 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: puppypusher

BTTT!


8 posted on 03/12/2013 6:29:46 PM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: RoosterRedux

RR, I was once a very wealthy man until my Cajun hull with attached 115 hp Johnson hit a submerged tree. The hull survived (damned fine boat: wish they still produced), spent a shear pin, and lost everything except the tackle in the locker.


9 posted on 03/12/2013 6:30:02 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: marktwain

The bankers and the politicians who have proven that they are not to be trusted with the economy are opposed to poor people having guns.


10 posted on 03/12/2013 6:33:41 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: marktwain

Considering the fact that poor people by and large live in high crime areas, I would say they need guns.


11 posted on 03/12/2013 6:37:01 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SgtBob
Damn shame, Sarge...something similar happen to me.

If I only had some snorkeling gear (and wasn't afraid of gators), I might be able to dig my weapons and ammo up out of the moss at the bottom of the swamp.

Of course, they're worthless by now.

Hunting in the swamp never came to any good tho, did it?

12 posted on 03/12/2013 6:37:13 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: driftdiver; All
The one good thing coming out of this is they are finally being honest about their true goal. Never again can they deny they seek to ban all firearms.

You are kidding, right? To the left, Orwell's 1984 is like a Bible. The ability to lie to themselves is one of the most prized of all!

I think one of their favorite stories is the one that goes: Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?

If it were not for the ability to deceive, the left would have nothing.

What you probably mean, and I agree with, is that their *plausible* denial of their true goal is now harder....

But you know, and I know, that flat out lying in the face of absolute evidence, is very common on the left, and they seldom even get called on it.

13 posted on 03/12/2013 6:37:28 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

HEY, I’m trying to be more optimistic dangit.


14 posted on 03/12/2013 6:40:27 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain

We’ve got some good folks out there taking the message to blacks. (since they make up a large proportion of the poor)

Rick Ector posted this video yesterday promoting a product but he says some good things to say about armed women in Detroit and the need for options other than police for self protection.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QL8r9mwGJz0


15 posted on 03/12/2013 6:45:19 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: marktwain

pfl. I was just thinking this morning how odd it is that libs flip out at the idea of showing an ID to vote, but it seems perfectly normal to them to require us to show an ID to exercise our inalienable right to life.


16 posted on 03/12/2013 7:20:29 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: marktwain
Once again I can't help notice how the libs have such complete contempt for the people they claim to speak for.

17 posted on 03/12/2013 7:23:27 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: marktwain

Some people can also afford to appeal in lawsuits, have records expunged, etc. Remember that much of the remaining middle class will probably fall from the economy before long, too (lacking enough manufacturing for revenues to support anywhere near so much debt). Since the ‘90s, we’ve seen quite a few incremental steps toward effectively shutting down Second Amendment rights for all—one group at a time.


18 posted on 03/12/2013 7:32:35 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: marktwain

On Republicans, watch the compromises ahead.


19 posted on 03/12/2013 7:33:20 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: marktwain

Another point: look at the incomes of the families of Holmes and Lanza.


20 posted on 03/12/2013 7:34:05 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: marktwain

Let’s not forget that at the same time, they are doing everything in their power to make sure All of US become Poor.


21 posted on 03/12/2013 7:49:33 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: marktwain
Can poor people be trusted with guns?

Sure.
But only if a) the Second Amendment isn't illegally deleted and b)The "stand your ground" and the "Castle Doctrine" become universal and immune to challenge.

22 posted on 03/12/2013 8:04:25 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: BitWielder1
Once again I can't help notice how the libs have such complete contempt for the people they claim to speak for.

It's almost like dems want the poor broken, frightened and dependent... (which of course they do...)

23 posted on 03/12/2013 8:12:29 PM PDT by GOPJ (DHS HAS secured: 1.6 BILLION bullets - 2.700 tanks and 35,000 drones ...to use on American soil...)
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To: marktwain

better yet, can only the rich elite and official government run military be trusted with guns when noone else can own them? Let’s count the countries where just such scenarios played out


24 posted on 03/12/2013 9:41:41 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: marktwain

I went to Wall-mart today to buy bullets. They had none so I went to a well known
, high priced, gun store. I stood in line over an hour and still got no bullets.
What is going on?


25 posted on 03/12/2013 11:14:33 PM PDT by Pfesser (I miss President Reagan.)
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To: marktwain

I seem to recall the USSC voided inexpensive poll taxes as infringing on the right to vote. Could they strike down these expensive costs as infringing on 2nd Amendment rights as well?


26 posted on 03/13/2013 2:34:24 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: marktwain

Sounds like some newsy is trying to hunt down some gimmicky trend topic for the Fox talking heads today, I hate it when MSM morons come to forums asking stupid nonsensical questions.


27 posted on 03/13/2013 2:41:46 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: marktwain

The armed poor are criminals.


28 posted on 03/13/2013 4:57:12 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: marktwain
"Apparently, Democrats believe that the right to self-defense is something that only belongs to the wealthy Democrats."

There ya go. I fixed it.

29 posted on 03/13/2013 5:02:29 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: RoosterRedux
The inside the beltway crowd, metro NYC, and LA will be dead in a week.

I think it's a good guess that it won't be the result of starvation, either.

30 posted on 03/13/2013 5:13:30 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: OldPossum

“Poor People?.... By labeling people for this purpose, we take for granted they have no sense of responsibility or need for a weapon. Certainly the intercity poor have defferent needs for protection than do country people who also are “poor”. I know several rural people who are struggling and by some standards are considered “poor”. Yet, few if any of these people go around shooting or killing their neighbors just for the funo f it. Rural poor, actually use their guns as tools for survival (yes they do). I think it unfair to label a person poor and then take away his/her rites to survival.


31 posted on 03/13/2013 5:48:36 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: andyk
I was just thinking this morning how odd it is that libs flip out at the idea of showing an ID to vote

Especially since they required one to attend their convention.

Hypocrites all.

32 posted on 03/13/2013 5:51:08 AM PDT by MamaTexan (To follow Original Constitutional Intent, one MUST acknowledge the Right of Secession)
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To: marktwain

“legislation in at least 17 states around the country is aimed specifically at making it more costly to own a gun.”

The lines of division for CW II are becoming more clear everyday.


33 posted on 03/13/2013 6:31:24 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: marktwain

I guess Zero will just have to make ammo a permissible purchase with an EBT card.


34 posted on 03/13/2013 7:25:22 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics is.)
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To: Real Cynic No More

I’m still trying to find this ‘Right to vote’ myself.

Poll tax = NO, but a license, registration fee, stamp tax (and possibly ammo taxes) = A.O.K.??

I wish they’d finally bring a lawsuit up to the USSC and have them try to define ‘shall not be infringed’ along with all the existing laws....If abortion is a ‘right’ by the 4th, how is a license/stamp tax NOT an infringement??


35 posted on 03/13/2013 7:43:57 AM PDT by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives - LP.org)
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To: 1010RD
"The armed poor are criminals."

The families of Holmes and Lanza have very large incomes from prestigious corporate positions. Both mass murderers attended universities and did well in them. Both are products of the trendy divorce/cohabitation paradigm. We'll be seeing more atrocities from upscale folks, as the debt regime rots.

As the default process goes on, increasing numbers of them will be laid off or receive pension haircuts and turn from soaking the shrinking private sector to committing more traditional crimes like robbery. Meanwhile, many millions of good poor people own firearms, and nearly all are more conservative than members of the debt/revenue-sucking political/regulator class.

We're all in it together, and further violating the Second Amendment against any subgroup would be end of our civil (constitutional) rights.


36 posted on 03/13/2013 1:23:44 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Pfesser
"I went to Wall-mart today to buy bullets. They had none so I went to a well known , high priced, gun store. I stood in line over an hour and still got no bullets. What is going on?"

Vain, political people are pushing to foment panic in all kinds of ways in their efforts to each grab more from the pile of worthless debt. For decades, they've moved production overseas, outlawed new competition in all kinds of ways here (NIMBYs, all) and generally made our country more corrupt and less productive. Now, in their larcenous guilt, they're hysterical and losing their senses in public.

They publish and broadcast all kinds of false end-of-the-world prophecies while fearing that they'll lose all that they have because of their own vanities and foolishness (phony markets without domestic production, etc.). Scaring themselves, they're buying out firearms and ammunition supplies that they'll never use and driving prices sky high. Before long, due to the default process, they'll be foreclosed, ejected from their houses and will be selling those items cheap.

Meanwhile, many of the more humble folks will be forced to give up expensive vices, become more hard working, technically inclined and become generally tougher. Best thing to do is to support a state organization that works to preserve our Second Amendment right. All of those organizations, as far as I know, do work for us all. Doesn't cost much, and they're also a good, honest source of news.


37 posted on 03/13/2013 1:53:53 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

Sorry to not have been clearer. In Chicago the laws and circumstances are such that the good poor are disarmed. Hence my statement that the armed poor are criminals.

Either they really are criminals or they have been criminalized.


38 posted on 03/13/2013 2:41:41 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: marktwain; All

Well, I figure if you fixed, (i.e.: get rid of this tax and spend agenda that permiates all corners of our governmetn at ALL levels) that a rejuvinated economy would allow folks in a lower income bracket the ability to afford such armaments that they deem necessary to protect themselves against criminal activity...

By fomenting this destructive economic direction we are ALL in, the Fabian socialists are gaining more and more people dependent upon their existance...And the porrer you are the less likely you are looking at the overall picture in a proper perspective...


39 posted on 03/13/2013 3:04:48 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: 1010RD
"Sorry to not have been clearer. In Chicago the laws and circumstances are such that the good poor are disarmed. Hence my statement that the armed poor are criminals.

Either they really are criminals or they have been criminalized.
"

Thank you. I fear that most of the rest of us will be criminalized, if regulatory and anti-family spending isn't drastically cut soon.


40 posted on 03/13/2013 3:07:21 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

There was a recent article on all the anti-family regulation out there. The analyst, who I think was an economist, stated that individually they make little difference, but in the aggregate they really hurt families.

He went on to mention the requirement for car seats. It used to be that a family could fit 5 in a sedan - mom, dad and three kids. Not any more. To have the 3rd child means moving up to a more expensive minivan.

How did we get here without all the government regulation
if we were all dropping dead from liberty a generation ago?


41 posted on 03/13/2013 3:21:37 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: marktwain

Yup. THIS needs to be the argument which is made along with the fact that women are at a distinct disadvantage when not allowed to own guns. Use their own arguments against them.

All gun laws are unconstitutional.


42 posted on 03/13/2013 3:29:09 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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