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Rand Paul masks his true worldview
The Washington Post ^ | March 11 2013 | By Michael Gerson(a Bushie)

Posted on 03/12/2013 9:23:45 AM PDT by US Navy Vet

Since arriving in the Senate in 2011, Rand Paul has been probing here and there for issues of populist resonance. Audit the secretive, sinister Federal Reserve. Rein in those TSA screeners patting down little girls. In each instance, Paul (R-Ky.) has evoked the fear of oppressive government without tipping over into the paranoia of his father’s most dedicated supporters. It has been a diluted, domesticated, decaffeinated version of the ideology that motivated Ron Paul’s presidential races.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: 113th; bushies; gerson; gope; neocon; waroneverything
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Looks like at least one of the GOP-e "Establishment" is freaked.
1 posted on 03/12/2013 9:23:45 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet
It has been a diluted, domesticated, decaffeinated version of the ideology that motivated Ron Paul’s presidential races.

Its a good thing. It proves that he has wisdom beyond that of his father.
2 posted on 03/12/2013 9:25:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: US Navy Vet
It has been a diluted, domesticated, decaffeinated version of the ideology that motivated Ron Paul’s presidential races.

So, what we have is judicial and fiscal restraint coupled with a not-so-isolationist foreign policy. So where's the problem?

3 posted on 03/12/2013 9:28:04 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: ScottinVA
So, what we have is judicial and fiscal restraint coupled with a not-so-isolationist foreign policy. So where's the problem?

Don't you SEE?

He's guilty by paternal association!

[running around screaming in full RINO mode]

LOL!

4 posted on 03/12/2013 9:36:43 AM PDT by MamaTexan (To follow Original Constitutional Intent, one MUST acknowledge the Right of Secession)
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To: US Navy Vet

Scribblers at the WP are the philosophical and intellectual heirs to the Nazi propaganda hierarchy.


5 posted on 03/12/2013 9:38:22 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: ScottinVA

Personally I’d like to stop wasting lives and resources trying to civilize the savages of the mideast and return to something more akin to the Monroe Doctrine. After all those mideastern savages are happily infecting central and south America and need to be stopped.

We can do that and still stand by Israel with minimal forces in the mideast.


6 posted on 03/12/2013 9:39:20 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: US Navy Vet

I just LOVE how the gope states it has the power to know a man’s inner thoughts when they can’t even articulate their own...because if they did, their hair would catch on fire.


7 posted on 03/12/2013 9:44:39 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: US Navy Vet

Karl Rove in pink tights. Is that you, Karl?


8 posted on 03/12/2013 9:45:08 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: US Navy Vet

9 posted on 03/12/2013 9:53:04 AM PDT by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: US Navy Vet

I don’t agree with some of Rand Paul’s positions, but he seems to have incorporated the libertarian stuff of his father without all the crazy. He is papabile.


10 posted on 03/12/2013 9:55:54 AM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: US Navy Vet

He should be.

If there’s a credible conservative candidate in 2016 who actually is fiscally conservative and starts laying out why we should no longer be “cop to the world,” he’s going to win.

The neo-con Jews are going to hyperventilate and scream, because they know that the Democrats, for all the Jews who gullibly vote Democratic, don’t like Jews or Israel. They like Jewish money... and maybe votes, but that’s about it. So the neo-cons, seeing no other parties in the US, are going to put everything they’ve got into destroying people like Rand Paul and anyone else who doesn’t enjoy foreign mis-adventures in the middle east.

I think that now is the time for conservatives to give the neo-cons the heave-ho and send them packing. If the neo-cons want to talk about supporting Israel, then they can tell American Jews “If you want to see Israel survive, you’d better start sending your money and support there, rather than into American politics...” because the rest of us are tired of sending out money, national reputation and young people into the middle east to counter “threats” which aren’t a threat to the US at all.


11 posted on 03/12/2013 9:57:00 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: MestaMachine

The GOPe is trying to “Alinsky” Rand Paul but don’t realize that they’ve already lost.

It reminds me of some comments Robert E Lee made about a particularly bloody defeat. He said he tried to turn an obvious defeat into a victory and ended up costing far more lives than necessary. Basically he let his pride get in the way of wisdom and that’s what the GOPe is happily doing with their attacks on Rand Paul.


12 posted on 03/12/2013 9:58:43 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: NVDave

The Bible I read says that, Genesis 12:3
King James Version (KJV)

3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

I believe it means Isreal NOT individual Jewish People. G*D will(and has) judged his chosen people thoughout time and history.


13 posted on 03/12/2013 10:04:05 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: NVDave

Sadly , we cant afford influence in the middle east. The bamster has pissed away our abilities.


14 posted on 03/12/2013 10:09:09 AM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: US Navy Vet
Articles like this that don't mention Waco or Ruby Ridge are worthless, though if they mention Kent State or Jackson State or some other high profile incident further back they might redeem themselves.

Ron Paul may be right or wrong or crazy, but it's moronic or deceitful to claim to know what's really on his mind if you don't deal with what his supporters are most worried about.

15 posted on 03/12/2013 10:12:34 AM PDT by x
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To: ScottinVA
>> So, what we have is judicial and fiscal restraint coupled with a not-so-isolationist foreign policy. So where's the problem? <<

Support for scumbags like Chuck Hagel and willingness to pass amnesty for illegals, for starters.

16 posted on 03/12/2013 10:29:12 AM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy

So who is better?


17 posted on 03/12/2013 10:49:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: US Navy Vet

The smearing of Rand Paul begins.

Memo to Micheal Gerson:

1. Some of us are a little uncomfortable with the plan to deploy up to 30,000 drones over the sunny skies of Amerika spying on every move we make.

2. Some of us are a schosh concerned about a govt agency named “Homeland” Security sticking their hands down our pants at the airport, buying 2 billion rounds of ammo, 7,000 full auto assault rifles and 2717 armored trucks.

3. If the terrorists were so desparate to destroy us they could have waltzed an army across the largely open SW border at anytime in the past 10 years but for some unknown reason they have not.

Some of us are more afraid of the US govt than the terrorists. Arguably the US govt is the terrorist.


18 posted on 03/12/2013 10:57:43 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: sergeantdave
Scribblers?

He was George Bush's evangelical speech writer. He got in the dispute with Bush's NeoCon speech writer(David Frumj) over that phrase "axis of evil"

19 posted on 03/12/2013 11:05:18 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: US Navy Vet

What? You can’t say GOD????


20 posted on 03/12/2013 11:09:57 AM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: dirtymac

I did, G*D


21 posted on 03/12/2013 11:12:19 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: NVDave

Thanks for saying that. I am soooo tired of conservatives always whining about why Jews always vote against themselves.

I support Israel, but I do not support liberal Jews.


22 posted on 03/12/2013 11:14:40 AM PDT by dforest (I have now entered the Twilight Zone.)
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To: US Navy Vet

23 posted on 03/12/2013 11:21:45 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: x
Articles like this that don't mention Waco or Ruby Ridge are worthless

Just to remind everyone:

Waco- Clinton Administration

Ruby Ridge- G.H.W.Bush Administration

Both parties have innocent American blood on their hands.

24 posted on 03/12/2013 11:23:45 AM PDT by EricT. (The Second Amendment is Tyrant Control.)
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To: US Navy Vet

Just because you don’t agree with Senator Paul on every issue doesn’t mean his skepticism about the domestic use of drones is wrong.


25 posted on 03/12/2013 11:24:22 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Bratch

I agree with about 85% of what Senator Paul espouses and I agree with 5% of what US Rep(ret) Paul espouses.


26 posted on 03/12/2013 11:33:25 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: cripplecreek

Scott Walker/Ted Cruz would be at the top of my list now. People are confusing Ron Paul style libertarianism with conservatism. There’s some overlap but libertarians are wrong on numerous issues from border security to gay rights.


27 posted on 03/12/2013 12:18:56 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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You make a mistake when you equate either of the Pauls with the ignorant young liberals that think that the Pauls’ isolationism - or better - their emphasis on National Defense rather than Offense - is the same as pacifism. It’s not.

Ron Paul supported and voted for going to Afghanistan. He quit supporting it when it was turned into a welfare state where we were building infrastructure - more roads to put IEDs, and doing wealth transfers to the corrupt leaders, and trying another failed ‘regime change’ or democratization.

Anyone listening to the filibuster could not have possibly come away thinking the Rand Paul was a pacifist after multiple times, emphatically supporting the use of force against imminent threats in the US and to us overseas - something with which the ignorant pacifist liberals do not support.

The aryan types that would support it and the Israel supporters that don’t, confuse cuts in foreign aid across the board for free market reasons, to ‘anti-semitism’ are just as ignorant as the liberals.

The people of other countries have to do what our forefathers did - pledge their lives, fortunes and sacred honors. Only then is true liberty possible. It can’t be handed to a country, just like you can hand out welfare and expect things to change. The Pauls, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Pat Toomey and a few others understand this. McCain, Graham, the Bush’s, and others who don’t understand the basis of liberty and either can’t defend it or only offer ‘pragmatic/fascistic’ solutions, don’t have a clue.

The attack on Rand is to make way for Jeb Bush in 2016.


28 posted on 03/12/2013 12:24:04 PM PDT by Kent C
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To: US Navy Vet
>> I agree with about 85% of what Senator Paul espouses and I agree with 5% of what US Rep(ret) Paul espouses. <<

Rand Paul agrees with his dad on almost every issue (I've never seen him publicly oppose dad on a major issue) and wholeheartedly supported his dad's campaign for President. Their "tone" is somewhat different but they have a very similar worldview and Ron Paul's "Liberty" movement was instrumental in getting Rand in office and strongly supports him. Your post makes no logical sense. It would be like me saying I like 85% of the ingredients in a Whopper Jr. sandwich, but only 5% of the ingredients in a Whopper.


29 posted on 03/12/2013 12:24:33 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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So you’re OK with Walker’s support for Obamacare?


30 posted on 03/12/2013 12:25:22 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

“Personally I’d like to stop wasting lives and resources trying to civilize the savages of the mideast and return to something more akin to the Monroe Doctrine. “

Do you remember when George W. Bush first ran for President? That was part of his platform...stop with the foreign interventions..that was one reason I voted for him....didn’t last long, did it?


31 posted on 03/12/2013 12:26:00 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

The real world has a way of doing that.


32 posted on 03/12/2013 12:26:31 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: AuntB

Reagan was the last republican to show any kind of restraint about going to war.


33 posted on 03/12/2013 12:28:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: BillyBoy

Pauls stance on Amnesty is better than the rest of them. At least he’d cut off the magnets.


34 posted on 03/12/2013 12:28:19 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: BillyBoy

As he states, we already have defacto amnesty, because few of them, including criminals are being deported. We’re going to have amnesty shoved down our throats. I think I’d rather have Paul in charge of it than anyone else.

Sen. Rand Paul: Trust but verify on immigration reform
www.washingtontimes.com
“I am in favor of immigration reform. I am also wary of reforms granted now for a promise of border security later.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/8/sen-rand-paul-trust-verify-immigration-reform/


35 posted on 03/12/2013 12:31:05 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

I don’t think Rand paul is willing to simply ignore the will of the people and do as he wishes even if he disagrees.


36 posted on 03/12/2013 12:35:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: BillyBoy

Boehner/McCain 2016 - Let the republican leadership lead!

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Can you imagine how well they will do?

/sarcasm

Lets end the GOPe.


37 posted on 03/12/2013 12:37:46 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: cripplecreek

I agree creek, I think Paul would uphold the law even if he might work to change it. Works for me.


38 posted on 03/12/2013 12:40:11 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Triple
>> Boehner/McCain 2016 - Let the republican leadership lead! Can you imagine how well they will do? /sarcasm <<

Right. Objecting to Rand Paul's stance on amnesty and votes in favor of Hagel & Kerry means I want "Boehner/McCain 2016". We all know the choice is either Rand Paul or those two.

/ sarcasm

Any more straw men arguments you got left?

39 posted on 03/12/2013 6:48:05 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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So you’re OK with Paul's support for amnesty? Judging from the posts of most of his kool-aid drinkers here, apparently so. When Marco Rubio "evolves" on immigration supports a "path to citizenship" for illegals, he's a treasonous liberal open borders La Raza traitor. But when Paul does it, he's a heroic tea party savior!

Righttttttttt.

40 posted on 03/12/2013 6:51:03 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy

Figures, you’re not man enough to answer. LOL

You may go now.


41 posted on 03/12/2013 6:58:36 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: BillyBoy

I’m no fan of Hagel either, but considering what else this douchebag administration would throw out there, he’s the least worst of the bunch.


42 posted on 03/12/2013 7:09:56 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: BillyBoy

Which would you prefer, Palin/Paul 2016 or Boehner/Graham?

Now think about who has the power in the GOP.


43 posted on 03/12/2013 7:21:55 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: cripplecreek; ScottinVA; Triple
Congrats, you guys have all drank the "Paulbot movement = TRUE CONSERVATIVES" kool-aid and won't be budge from your positions no matter what Ron's heir apparent does for the next four years. I haven't seen a cult this delusional since the Trump supporters on FR believed he was a "tea party" hero.

Have fun joining hands with these guys in 2016:


44 posted on 03/13/2013 12:08:07 AM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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“Drank the Paulbot movement = true conservative”

How in the hell did you get there???? I merely expressed some appreciation for Rand Paul having been one of the few Repubs to show something that resembles a spine and you’re categorizing that as being a disciple of his nutcase dad? That’s quite a presupposition you’ve made there.


45 posted on 03/13/2013 2:02:22 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

You’re wasting your time appealing to Michael Gerson. He can’t put into the Washington Post what the paper doen’t want to have included. Just like the person who cooks MacDonald’s hamburgers doesn’t decide the menu or the man who paints your house doesn’t decide the color of the walls, the writer for a president or a newspaper doesn’t decide the political slant.


46 posted on 03/13/2013 4:21:58 AM PDT by Puzzleman ("Nothing turns out to be so oppressive and unjust as a feeble government. " -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Defiant

>> he seems to have incorporated the libertarian stuff of his father without all the crazy.

Libertarianism is the opposite of statism. The crazy is tangential.


47 posted on 03/13/2013 4:26:21 AM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: BillyBoy; cripplecreek; ScottinVA; Triple

Nonsense.

Statism is evil. Don’t perpetuate it.


48 posted on 03/13/2013 4:31:15 AM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Gene Eric

In fighting Rand Paul on this they’re fighting a battle they’ve already lost and had no chance of winning anyway.


49 posted on 03/13/2013 5:25:24 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: BillyBoy

Why is that the big-tent republicans always accept establishment liberals like Specter, Scott Brown, or Olympia Snowe, but shun conservatives with a few anti-establishment positions?


50 posted on 03/13/2013 5:37:53 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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