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Bodies exhumed in killings tied to Mandela ex-wife
Charter.net ^ | Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:21 AM EDT | MICHELLE FAUL Associated Press

Posted on 03/12/2013 6:56:50 AM PDT by Pan_Yan

JOHANNESBURG (AP) — Relatives sang hymns and songs from South Africa's anti-apartheid struggle Tuesday as forensic scientists exhumed bodies believed to belong to two young activists last seen 24 years ago at the home of Winnie Madikizela-Mandela.

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Madikizela-Mandela has denied all knowledge of the two. But her chief bodyguard, Jerry Richardson, told the commission that he and a colleague had killed the two on her orders.

Nicodemus Sono, father of the missing man, told the commission that Madikizela-Mandela had come to his home with his son, face bruised from beatings, in November 1998. She had demanded photographs and documents, telling the father that his son was a spy for the apartheid police.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: apartheid; chrisrock; mandela; murder; southafrica
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I remember back in the 80's when the international community and press gushed over her.
1 posted on 03/12/2013 6:56:50 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

I even remember on The Cosby Show, when they named the twin babies “Nelson” and “Winnie”.


2 posted on 03/12/2013 6:58:33 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Pan_Yan

Oh My —

There goes even more of the Mandela myth


3 posted on 03/12/2013 7:01:30 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Pan_Yan

Google “necklacing.” Winnie Mandela ordered many such atrocities. She is a monster. Both Mandelas are crooks. Seeing them lionized makes me physically ill.


4 posted on 03/12/2013 7:02:35 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: Pan_Yan

And I’m planning on a buffalo hunt in South Africa in August, I hope they don’t end up hunting me.


5 posted on 03/12/2013 7:03:21 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: jboot

Not to worry...in the next life they’ll be in the Lion’s den, so to speak...


6 posted on 03/12/2013 7:04:31 AM PDT by mom4melody
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To: Uncle Chip

They took a producing country and turned it manure overnight.

Obama is working hard to do the same thing here and for the same reason——Racism.


7 posted on 03/12/2013 7:04:47 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: jboot

You said it.


8 posted on 03/12/2013 7:08:19 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: jboot

Wasn’t there a young teenage boy who was ‘necklaced’?

She is demonic.


9 posted on 03/12/2013 7:09:03 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Pan_Yan

I remember when my liberal Dutch friend who gets ALL of her news from the NYT gushed over her (and him). I remember I became instantly enraged and screamed they are !@#$%^&* communist! And I asked her if she had any idea what necklacing was. She did not know.


10 posted on 03/12/2013 7:09:33 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Pan_Yan

And you know why, too.


11 posted on 03/12/2013 7:09:36 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Pan_Yan

Anyone care to guess which South African murder inquest will receive more publicity?

Oscar Pistorius v Winnie Mandela.

Betting line forms here.


12 posted on 03/12/2013 7:09:54 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: junta

I question the sanity :) of any American who leaves this country, especially those that travel to Africa or the ME.


13 posted on 03/12/2013 7:09:55 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Pan_Yan

But I have to say, Schadenfreud!


14 posted on 03/12/2013 7:11:21 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Venturer

Ditto Rhodesia.


15 posted on 03/12/2013 7:11:33 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Winnie Mandela’s crimes are old news. And “What difference does it make?”


16 posted on 03/12/2013 7:14:18 AM PDT by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: Pan_Yan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stjSK0efE-w

Chris Rock on why Nelson Mandela divorced her.


17 posted on 03/12/2013 7:15:44 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

I don’t know who wound up blackmailing Chris Rock, because at one time, he was about as non-PC as they came....Now, he is as PC as they come.


18 posted on 03/12/2013 7:17:23 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Ditter
For those too lazy too google, I will relay what I remember reading about necklacing from 30 years ago.

The victim was sat on the ground, hands tied behind their back, a tyre with gasoline in the hollow was placed around their neck and lit on fire.

Winnie personally ordered and supervised many such horrific executions. As I recall, St. Nelson only divorced her when such became widely known. Sort of like St. BO leaving the church of Rev. Wright.

19 posted on 03/12/2013 7:17:56 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: jboot

I presume this is one of those “reconciliation commissions” that is empowered to find the truth, provided nobody goes to jail or suffers consequences as a result?


20 posted on 03/12/2013 7:20:42 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: DesertRhino

That was Chris Rock back when he was still funny —


21 posted on 03/12/2013 7:23:53 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Pan_Yan

In the 1990’s, I was asked to write short biographies on both Nelson and Winnie Mandela for a textbook series for young people. They paid me for both, but only published the one on Nelson. My article on Winnie almost certainly didn’t pass muster because it was too unflattering, but that’s the way it had to be if I were to tell her true story.

Earlier, this company had paid me for an article on Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, the Soviet atom spies, but when the book was published, it contained a different article—not nearly as well-researched as mine—which portrayed them as victims of “McCarthyism.”


22 posted on 03/12/2013 7:27:24 AM PDT by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Whatever it is, nothing will happen as a result of it. The icons of the left cannot be tarnished by such light pecaddiloes as conspiracy and murder.


23 posted on 03/12/2013 7:29:49 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: mom4melody
Where the worm does not die and the flaming tire around the neck does not burn out.

God is Just. His punishments always fit the crime.

24 posted on 03/12/2013 7:31:42 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: Pan_Yan
"I remember back in the 80's when the international community and press gushed over her."

Kind of like they gush over Michelle Obama.

Prospective birds of a feather?

25 posted on 03/12/2013 7:32:53 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Vigilanteman

You forgot to mention how much she loved the smell.


26 posted on 03/12/2013 7:35:33 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Vigilanteman
As I recall, St. Nelson only divorced her when such became widely known.

She was connected to murders from the mid 80's through the early 90's and apparently was cheating on Nelson while he was in prison. He finally divorced her in 1994. I doubt anyone here is shocked that she was still winning elections in 2009.

27 posted on 03/12/2013 7:36:01 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Ditter

What is necklacing?


28 posted on 03/12/2013 7:37:07 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Fiji Hill
When I was in school clar back in the seventies the Rosenbergs were already saints. I grew up within a short walk from the Rosenberg pumpkin patch and my teachers gushed praise and worship over their "local heroes" as if they were Jesus and Mary His Mother.

These same sh*twit teachers used to protest against nuclear arms, too. The irony was intense.

29 posted on 03/12/2013 7:37:22 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: Pan_Yan

CNN was already previewing the Mandela Myth last week when they thought he was going to die. Since he was released from the hospital, they had to put it back into mothballs, but we will be treated to the msm’s worship of this avowed Leftist when he finally croaks.


30 posted on 03/12/2013 7:38:49 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Rusty0604

An old tire filled with gasoline in put around the victim’s neck and set afire.


31 posted on 03/12/2013 7:38:49 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: Pan_Yan

They still think her crap doesn’t stink.


32 posted on 03/12/2013 7:39:43 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: txrefugee
but we will be treated to the msm’s worship of this avowed Leftist when he finally croaks.

Once they're done doing the same with Chavez.

33 posted on 03/12/2013 7:40:19 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Pan_Yan

“Relatives sang hymns and songs from South Africa’s anti-apartheid struggle Tuesday”

WTF has that got to do with Winnie Mandela possibly murdering people?!


34 posted on 03/12/2013 8:15:19 AM PDT by V_TWIN (obama=where there's smoke, there's mirrors)
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To: junta
And I’m planning on a buffalo hunt in South Africa in August, I hope they don’t end up hunting me.

If you're white, your chances are likely greater, especially if Mandela goes room temp by that time.

35 posted on 03/12/2013 8:21:27 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: Pan_Yan
Wasn't Winnie's favorite form of execution "necklacing?"
36 posted on 03/12/2013 8:27:39 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: Vigilanteman
As I remember, the victim of "neck-lacing" had his hands tied with barbed wire.

Knowing that makes it just a little bit worse.

37 posted on 03/12/2013 8:49:08 AM PDT by Slyfox (Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness -G Wash.)
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To: Rusty0604

See 19 and 37.


38 posted on 03/12/2013 8:51:22 AM PDT by Slyfox (Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness -G Wash.)
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To: jboot
It was in 1994 that I submitted my article on the Rosenbergs. I based much of it on Ronald Radosh and Joyce Milton's authoritative The Rosenberg Story: A Search for the Truth (New York: Holt, Rinehart & Winston, 1983) and a couple of memoirs: Richard Lamphere's The FBI-KGB War: A Special Agent's Story by Robert Lamphere and Tom Shachtman (New York: Random House, 1986) and the newly-published memoirs of Pavel Sudoplatov: Special Tasks: The Memoirs of an Unwanted Witness, a Soviet Spymaster (Boston: Little, Brown, 1994).

However, my article was rejected in favor of one which portrayed the Rosenbergs as victims of "McCarthyism," anti-Communist hysteria and government overreach. Its sources included The Rosenberg Story by Virginia Gardner (New York: Masses and Mainstream, 1954). Virginia Gardner, a journalist, was a long-time Communist Party activist, and Masses and Mainstream, which published it, was described by Howard Fast, a Communist at the time, as "a magazine of the Left."

The timing for the publication of a pro-Rosenberg article couldn't have been worse. Months, or perhaps weeks, after the textbook was issued, the government released the Venona files, which Richard Lamphere had mentioned in his memoir, and which provided overwhelming evidence that the Rosenbergs were spies. The evidence mounted in succeeding years as KGB files were made public. In 2001, Aleksandr Feklisov, the Rosenbergs' Soviet case officer, even published his own memoir: The Man Behind the Rosenbergs : By the KGB Spymaster Who was the case officer of Julius Rosenberg, Klaus Fuchs, and Helped Resolve the Cuban Missile Crisis (New York: Enigma, 2001).

So the case against the Rosenbergs is, for all practical purposes, closed.

39 posted on 03/12/2013 9:09:35 AM PDT by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“With our matches and necklaces, we’ll liberate this country.”—Winnie Mandela


40 posted on 03/12/2013 9:13:18 AM PDT by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: Rusty0604

See post #19 for a description of necklacing.


41 posted on 03/12/2013 9:24:23 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Fiji Hill
Interesting details on your research. Thanks. I recall the herculean efforts of academia in the seventies and eighties to rehabilitate the reputations of the Rosenbergs, Alger Hiss, Che and other Leftist icons. The Verona files did in the Rosenbergs for good. What I found interesting was that the real locals-folks who had known Whittaker Chambers-reviled the Rosenbergs. It was only out-of-towners that fawned on their memory.

On a side note, there is no historical marker, monument or placard at the old Chambers farm. The farm is in heavily wooded and hilly terrain and is REALLY easy to miss unless someone points it out to you (miss or confuse with a much more visible neighboring farm, which is what most city people who drive out here to see it do). The current owners (who I do not know) seem to like it that way.

42 posted on 03/12/2013 9:25:11 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: jboot

Whittaker Chambers’ farm is owned by his son, and it remains a going concern, having survived keen competition, droughts, etc. However, in recent years, it has been threatened by a local water project. For more information about the farm and efforts to save it, surf over to http://www.savewhittakerchambersfarm.org/


43 posted on 03/12/2013 9:34:56 AM PDT by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: Fiji Hill; jboot

Thanks for the info on the Chambers farm.

I just read “Witness” late last year. the edition I received from our library came from another state library in the system and was a 1952 edition of the book.

It was utterly fascinating.


44 posted on 03/12/2013 9:59:35 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Fiji Hill

I’m aware of that project, which fortunately does not affect my property. I’m sorry that it hits the Chambers farm. I believe it is all on hold at present. My grandfather had a sharpening business and Chambers was one of his regular customers. If you drive about a half-mile past the Chambers farm going toward MD Route 30, you will see a residence with a sign offering sharpening services. That is the home of the fellow who bought my grandfather’s business when he retired. It’s a small world.


45 posted on 03/12/2013 9:59:48 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: junta

May be of interest:

The Gruesome Reality of Racist South Africe

Link: http://frontpagemag.com/2013/arnold-ahlert/the-gruesome-reality-of-racist-south-africa/


46 posted on 03/12/2013 10:18:16 AM PDT by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: exit82
Witness remains one of my favorite books.
47 posted on 03/12/2013 10:31:39 AM PDT by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: dfwgator

I remember their names also, but Winnie was know for necklaces, putting tires around the neck of her enemies and setting them on fire. Nelson was a commie and because of his color the press loved him. he was their hero...no matter what they did.


48 posted on 03/12/2013 10:56:56 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: Fiji Hill; jboot; neverdem; narses

Thank you for your research into the Rosenbergs - They most definitely ARE deliberately raised as “heroes” to today’s socialists BECAUSE of that kind of selective editing and not-so-subtle propaganda.

Propaganda that continues in textbooks, histories, and day-to-day press attitudes.


49 posted on 03/12/2013 11:05:37 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: CharlesMartelsGhost

I know I’m rolling the dice, but its safer than me driving thru certain sections of Chicago by my little old white self.


50 posted on 03/12/2013 11:43:32 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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