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To: SMGFan

If we adhere to the Aristotelian mean and moderation in all things, then sugary drink size creep is to be shunned.

A short visit into most any public place provides views of large and extremely large people. The term is obese. They have a BMI exceeding 30 and have or are destined for poor health. One result is type II diabetes, a difficult to define disease that can be manifest in a host of minor to very serious health problems. Sugar and other carbohydrate excess over time produce the problems.

In the big picture, the problem becomes freedom, liberty, the ability to make choices. Should one be free to guzzle Coke or Pepsi while consuming mass quantities of Do Nuts and Twinkies or should all that stuff be rationed? Should one be restricted from eating a whole cake in one setting or be free to eat and suffer?

Those who tend to actually worry about the concept take both positions. Conservatives say freedom, liberty. Progressives say ration.

Under the concept of govern mandated health care the penalty for a BMI > 30 is a very unhealthy population requiring care that becomes very expensive. Such care can be considered unnecessary if there were adherence to the Aristotelian eating mean in the first place. Regulating moderation is the conclusion. The inability to moderate eating requires regulation to insure the cost of the immoderate action is reduced.

As mayor of a city that taxes beyond the Aristotelian moderation mean and still struggles, the cost of fat asses demanding city health care provided in addition to the state and federal care is a problem. The moderation penalty is not fair in the sense it affects everyone. It affects only the immoderate. Sensible people that drink only 12 oz are not bothered.

Large sugary drinks make people fat
Fat people require more healthcare and associated costs
Eliminate sugary drinks and save the budget
QED


38 posted on 03/10/2013 11:27:05 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: bert

You are in the twilight zone. How a person moderates his food and beverage intake only affects him. People try to make it out as a disease, which it isn’t, even though it can lead to diseases. Neither is drug addiction. It can’t be a disease, in my opinion, if the “cure” is simply to choose to do something less.

But let’s say fattiness is a disease. It still isn’t a public health issue. It still only affects the individual, and as such is cut off from the state’s police powers. Ah, but as you point out, we now have socialized medicine. Meaning everyone’s healthcare is everyone’s else’s business because everyone’s healthcare is a financial burden to the rest of us.

However, someone’s still paying for it. The money gots to come from somewhere. Mainly we decide who pays based on how much more they have than others (from each according to his abilities), or whether you buy unpopular things (sin tax), or how stupid you are (lottery). Why not make fat people lay for themselves? Or is that too much like the old system and common sense?

Here’s a perfect argument for why healthcare shouldn’t be socialized. Not only do undesirables cost us, we in fact encourage more fattiness, as there’s less incentive not to be fat. Yet you’re perfectly fine with socialism. It’s the immoderate who are at fault. But I don’t see why. You ought to embrace crackheads, sloths, sluts and satyrs, gluttons, and daredevils. You’ve guaranteed there’ll be more of them.

The only apparent alternative is to come at them with theaw from the other side. If socialism has removed consequences, then prohibition can remove opportunity. And we all know how well that works.

You may be comforted by fatties getting the business. They’ve abandoned Aristotlean truth and the Protestant ethic, committed one of the sevenly deadly sins, or whatever. But of course we won’t always go after the obviously socially unworthy. If what constitutes public health—and therefore the police powers—within a society with socialized medicine is whatever costs money to treat, or whatever can conceivably lead to costly medical consumption, then the government has power over every conceivable aspect of human life. Life is a disease for which death is the cure, as they say.


43 posted on 03/10/2013 2:04:07 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: bert

Next, we just eliminate fat people. /s


44 posted on 03/10/2013 3:04:08 PM PDT by SMGFan (SMGfan is not "Sub Machine Gun" fan)
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To: bert

Uh oh. A liberal nanny-stater hijacked bert’s account. Anyone know how to get in touch with the original FReeper ‘bert’?


48 posted on 03/11/2013 9:19:12 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Republicans have the same policies as the Democrats, except for the part where they win elections.)
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