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Ukip only 10 points behind Tories, latest poll shows
The Guardian ^

Posted on 03/10/2013 8:27:35 AM PDT by UKrepublican

The Conservatives and Liberal Democrats have suffered a double blow as Nigel Farage's UK independence party soared to 17% in the latest Opinium/Observer poll, and a large majority of voters have said they believe coalition economic policies are harming the country.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: eu; uk; ukip
The people have had enough, a real conservative party is on the rise, I am motivated about politics here for the first time in my life. We have some hope at least, at last.
1 posted on 03/10/2013 8:27:35 AM PDT by UKrepublican
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2 posted on 03/10/2013 8:28:31 AM PDT by UKrepublican
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Even Guardianistas are concerned about the potential (if not inevitable) wave of Bulgarian and Romanian immigration.

The Romanys play for keeps. They are without sentiment, regret or sanitation, as Germany is discovering. They’ll make Pikeys look like, er, pikers.

Current Eastern European health and benefits tourists - along with a plethora of common criminals - are demonstrating to Britons that ex-Soviet Bloc nationals abandoned morality back 1917 and that taking what you can get is the first and only rule.

3 posted on 03/10/2013 8:37:58 AM PDT by relictele
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Exactly, it is very worrying. The longer they are here, the worse it becomes.

4 posted on 03/10/2013 8:44:15 AM PDT by UKrepublican
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I'll bet Labour is *loving* this.You can be damn sure that nobody currently supporting UKIP was once a Labour supporter.So,in future,perhaps we have this scenario across the country...Tories-> 35% of the vote...UKIP->20%...Lib/Dems->5%...Labour->40%.So Labour gets a majority of 100+.

Divide and conquer...that's always been the motto of the left.

5 posted on 03/10/2013 8:52:58 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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The legal problems can be handled but this is much worse:

Tuberculosis - an old plague comes back stronger

And now several eastern European countries are fighting an epic battle against a tuberculosis that has mutated into a more deadly form.

That they succeed in this battle is of direct relevance to all Europeans. And in some countries, success is not guaranteed.


The country [Romania] has the highest number of TB cases in the EU. And the highest number of drug resistant cases, with about 1,000 to 1,200 diagnosed every year.

“Almost every second TB patient in the EU is from Romania,” notes Dara Masoud, Europe advisor on TB for the WHO.

Will our politicians act to protect us? I doubt it. The holy trinity of the EU, the euro, and political correctness is much more important to them than our health.

6 posted on 03/10/2013 9:05:38 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Back in 1990 the Europeanists in the “Conservative Party” pushed Margaret Thatcher out of Number 10.

The CINO’s who wanted to subordinate the UK to the EU have had their way, now the grassroots are fed up with that.

Cameron’s phony baloney austerity plan that will not stop the debt from growing. The trajectory in the UK is towards a major economic collapse like it is everywhere else.

The Eruoweenies from Labor will quite likely win the next election, continue the bad direction of policy and maybe pave the way for a real Conservative government in the UK.

GO UKIP..................

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You’d be surprised, the latest by election showed UKIP were taking people from each party nearly on an equal basis.

Politics here isn’t so black and white, a lot of people that voted labour in the late 90s and early 20s are actually quite conservative at heart. What happened is exactly what is happening in America now. In the late 80s and early 90s the media did such a successful job of tarnishing the conservative party that it made is impossible to form a majority.

In fact by the time of the next election, it will be nearly 20 years since the last conservative majority. Conventional wisdom suggests even despite UKIP they don’t a have a snowballs chance in hell of winning a majority so that will then be over 20 years with no conservative majority, something unheard of.

Instead of showing some backbone and standing up against the liberal, socialist media and agenda, they elected a leader in Cameron who is a sell out. I’ve said it a million times, if people want to vote for leftists, they’ll vote for the real deal......the labour party.

We need a conservative opposition, in the current Conservative Party we don’t have that and that is why they are in a very bad decline.

8 posted on 03/10/2013 9:37:25 AM PDT by UKrepublican
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To: Nextrush

Exactly, as was pointed out by UKIP, public spending is on the increase, not decrease so this austerity talk is a load of nonsense.

9 posted on 03/10/2013 9:38:16 AM PDT by UKrepublican
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Great news, hope yall turn it around in the UK.

10 posted on 03/10/2013 9:39:02 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Gay State Conservative

Hey, good to see you Juan! How’s life in the beltway?

11 posted on 03/10/2013 9:53:25 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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I’m amazed that 39% will vote Labour even after THEIR policies crashed the economy. It’s crazy. Still, doesn’t this mean that Nigel Farage will appear in the national debate with Cameron and the others? If he gets more of a national stage, he could double his support. Good luck.

12 posted on 03/10/2013 11:24:09 AM PDT by Viennacon
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I think it’s a sign about just how poor the options are. Politics aside, their leader is regarded widely as being very weak. It was him vs his brother in the leadership contest and because of union backing he just won it. But he is not very well received on a personal level and worked at the treasury during many of the years you rightly raise.

I think so long as he is able to continue to outflank the conservative party on the right, he will be there at them debates and then things could get very interesting. I’ve never seen a politician quite like Farage, he seems to be the real deal, but time will tell. I pray he is!

13 posted on 03/10/2013 11:34:50 AM PDT by UKrepublican
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Lets hope so!

14 posted on 03/10/2013 11:35:05 AM PDT by UKrepublican
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Ukips rise in support nationwide is scarcely eve relevant. You know as well as I do that power in British parliamentary elections is won through the key marginal seats. Ukip have no established base and very little chance of winning more than maybe a couple of seats at best. As gay state has already said, all they will do is bleed protest votes from the Tories (and don’t kid yourself that most Ukip supporters aren’t disgruntled Tories) in their marginal (and even strongholds) and help Labour get in.

15 posted on 03/10/2013 4:30:24 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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By that logic, no party should ever try, because they don’t have strongholds? These things will come in time.

The only real evidence we have is recent by elections and they have taken votes equally from various parties although it would be true to say historically they were a Tory protest party.

I and many more will not be voting for a conservative party that is not conservative. If Labour gets in so be it.

16 posted on 03/10/2013 5:03:43 PM PDT by UKrepublican
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The trouble with having an “all or nothing” approach to life is that in almost all cases, you end up with nothing.

17 posted on 03/10/2013 5:22:05 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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True, but that is not even applicable here as Cameron has taken the party so far away from its traditional values it has ceased to have a conservative identity in any way what so ever.

If you believe in conservative values, then you believe it is the best way and you will support the party that is closest to matching that. In my case, and a growing number of others, that is UKIP. I don’t apologize for supporting UKIP or for being a conservative.

And for the record, there are plenty of things I don’t agree with UKIP on, but far more the Conservative Party.

18 posted on 03/10/2013 5:35:56 PM PDT by UKrepublican
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But the Tories have got that bad. They desperately need replacing even if it takes another few years to fully do the deed. If any party should retreat for the sake of conservative unity, it should be the Cameron abomination doing the retreating.

19 posted on 03/10/2013 5:46:26 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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The only worrying fact about that chart is that UKIP seems to be increasing its vote largely at the expense of the Conservatives. There have been attempts to convert adherents of the other two big parties, and they have had some limited success, but primarily UKIP are still mostly turning tory voters. In the long run, that’s all to the good, but in the short term, it might split the anti-socialist vote and let Labour in again.

20 posted on 03/11/2013 9:26:36 AM PDT by Vanders9
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They are in a long slow decline, and that is precisely because of the reasons you outline. They go to the pundits and the pollsters and they do their sums and they decide to pander to the socialist agenda rather than stand up to it. They dont realise that the country is nowhere near as leftist as the media fondly believes. The intelligensia and the elitists pontificated and warn of all kinds of dire consequences of conservative policies, but almost all of it is smoke and mirrors. All these pressure groups and think tanks and lobby groups claim to represent people, but they dont really. They represent a radical section of whatever grouping they call themselves.
There is an enormous political prize to be gained by conservatives (or indeed anyone else) who can bypass those who claim to be representing folk, and talk directly to the people themselves.

21 posted on 03/11/2013 9:34:04 AM PDT by Vanders9
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