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To: Texas Fossil
But on a never ratified version of the Constitution.

Not correct. It was ratified in 1788 without the first 10 Amendments.

There was a debate at the time with one side fearing that Congress would have too much power and infringe on rights and the other saying that a bill of rights enumerating certain rights could well be used at some point in time to deny rights that were not enumerated in the document.

The anti-Federalists won that debate during the ratification process with an agreement that the First Congress would enact a Bill of Rights, which it then did -- the 1st Ten Amendments.

But keep in mind. The Congress and the Courts, until the post civil war and the passage of the 14th Amendment, did not consider the Bill of Rights as a check on State Laws, but only on Federal Laws.

The states, then depending on their own constitutions, had a lot of leeway as far as infringing on what we now consider to be basic civil liberties and could make laws that clearly violated the Federal Bill of Rights.

As an example, you right to free speech was not respected in some states before the 14th Amendment if your speech happened to advocate abolition. People could be charged under state laws back then and the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution did not protect them in the least. The 1st Amendment only said that Congress can not restrict speech, but it did not keep the states from doing so.

That changed with the 14th Amendment.

25 posted on 03/08/2013 8:16:36 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Ditto
They still haven't passed an amendment that would prohibit a State from disenfranchising any voter that accepts federal welfare or food stamps.

Since the only way to save the Republic is to take the vote from the lazy and stupid, it may be time to start the train rolling down that track.

27 posted on 03/08/2013 8:28:21 PM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: Ditto

I stand corrected.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/us-constitution-ratified

By 1786, defects in the post-Revolutionary War Articles of Confederation were apparent, such as the lack of central authority over foreign and domestic commerce. Congress endorsed a plan to draft a new constitution, and on May 25, 1787, the Constitutional Convention convened at Independence Hall in Philadelphia. On September 17, 1787, after three months of debate moderated by convention president George Washington, the new U.S. constitution, which created a strong federal government with an intricate system of checks and balances, was signed by 38 of the 41 delegates present at the conclusion of the convention. As dictated by Article VII, the document would not become binding until it was ratified by nine of the 13 states.

Beginning on December 7, five states—Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Georgia, and Connecticut—ratified it in quick succession. However, other states, especially Massachusetts, opposed the document, as it failed to reserve undelegated powers to the states and lacked constitutional protection of basic political rights, such as freedom of speech, religion, and the press. In February 1788, a compromise was reached under which Massachusetts and other states would agree to ratify the document with the assurance that amendments would be immediately proposed. The Constitution was thus narrowly ratified in Massachusetts, followed by Maryland and South Carolina. On June 21, 1788, New Hampshire became the ninth state to ratify the document, and it was subsequently agreed that government under the U.S. Constitution would begin on March 4, 1789. In June, Virginia ratified the Constitution, followed by New York in July.

On September 25, 1789, the first Congress of the United States adopted 12 amendments to the U.S. Constitution—the Bill of Rights—and sent them to the states for ratification. Ten of these amendments were ratified in 1791. In November 1789, North Carolina became the 12th state to ratify the U.S. Constitution. Rhode Island, which opposed federal control of currency and was critical of compromise on the issue of slavery, resisted ratifying the Constitution until the U.S. government threatened to sever commercial relations with the state. On May 29, 1790, Rhode Island voted by two votes to ratify the document, and the last of the original 13 colonies joined the United States. Today the U.S. Constitution is the oldest written constitution in operation in the world.


31 posted on 03/08/2013 8:39:46 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Ditto

At what point did the Congress and Executive decide that they no longer had to abide by the established rule of law?

That is clearly where we are at.

Obozo: “We don’t need no stinkin Laws! We don’t need no stinkin Congress! I rule the Courts!”

All 3 branches of government know he is acting illegally and do nothing.

All 3 branches of government know he past is a total fabrication, totally conjured out of nothing.

The direction of this movement is not from within the U.S. It is bigger than George Soros, bigger than the Builder Burgers, bigger than Obozo’s Saudi masters.

Where and who?

It is clear by his actions that Obozo and his minions serve the “father-of-Lies”.


32 posted on 03/08/2013 8:50:36 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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