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Officials: 80 Percent Of Recent NYC High School Graduates Cannot Read
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Posted on 03/07/2013 3:11:25 PM PST by SMGFan

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To: Liberty Wins
What is not clear to me is how learning to pronounce a word leads to a quicker understanding of its meaning, and, thus, would necessarily help a young student to read more quickly and with better comprehension. Standard English, certainly more so than Spanish, is almost a different language when spoken as compared to its written form. For example, consider he sentence, "I can buy tomatoes in a can". There is no difference between the verb and noun "can" as written, but when spoken in common dialect they are hardly recognizable as the same word. If I were to render that sentence phonetically, it would have to read "Ikin buy tomatoes in a can". How could one associate "kin" with "can" as used in the affirmative? Even more puzzling, when used in the negative, as in "I cannot buy tomatoes in a can", the verb "can" resumes its phonetic similarity with the noun "can". There are thousands of dissimilarities between written and spoken English that can be spotted with a sharp ear, all of which would retard a student who relies on phonetics. It seems that way to me at least.

They say that one one can read the New York Times knowing only 600 words; I would say that if we leave aside the jargon in the Sports and Financial sections that number drops to less than 400. That is all it takes to get a good start on the road to reading. 600 to 400 words is well within the most reluctant student's ability, and if we could only teach our students that much, that is to read the NYT (okay, I know the Times is a a piece of liberal fish-wrap) we would not be saying that 80% of our high school graduates are illiterate.

151 posted on 03/08/2013 3:37:20 PM PST by PUGACHEV
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To: PUGACHEV

Como como?


152 posted on 03/08/2013 3:40:56 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: metmom

Thanks. That’s funny.


153 posted on 03/08/2013 4:30:24 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (One "bitter clinger" praying for revival. <BCC><)
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To: Pharmboy

What I find ironic is posters (and there are more than one) who rant about others being rude and obnoxious and are doing it in the most insulting manner, displaying the very behavior they are condemning in others.


154 posted on 03/08/2013 5:14:19 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: PUGACHEV; Liberty Wins
What is not clear to me is how learning to pronounce a word leads to a quicker understanding of its meaning, and, thus, would necessarily help a young student to read more quickly and with better comprehension.

Well, just maybe because the kid may know the word from having heard it and once he sounds it out, realizes, that, yes, he does know it after all even though he did not initially recognize it in print.

The other option is having people memorize every single word they'll ever encounter in their lives. Not only is that burdensome and tedious, but it leaves them totally helpless when they run into something they don't recognize.

Besides, phonics is about more than just learning to read faster. Faster isn't necessarily better. But mastery is.

Phonics is a tool to decipher language.

155 posted on 03/08/2013 5:19:59 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: lyby

At the age of EIGHTEEN, two of my daughter finished bachelor degree in MATHEMATICS! Thank you, John Saxon!

Avoid Saxon Math? UBELIEVABLE!

Are you a government employed K-12 teacher? ( I hope not.)


156 posted on 03/09/2013 12:23:40 AM PST by wintertime
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To: deport
From looking at that report, it is clear these students can read, but are not able to read English all that well.

And, consider the facts that 60% of black children and 40% of Hispanics are killed in utero in that city. It follows that it is accurate that these so-called “minorities” are still oppressed, in that city, in far greater numbers than they have ever been throughout the history of any city of this nation.

It is too bad they refuse to acknowledge that it is their own ideologies that have them down and it is their continued generational ignorance of the Truth that will comfort them as they continue to look in all the wrong places for escape.

New York city no longer aspires to belong to the land of free and it is far removed from the home of the brave - it is “the city” of willfully ignorant, insufficient, and helpless anti-Americans. Generally speaking, of course.

157 posted on 03/09/2013 3:40:21 AM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: PUGACHEV

Are you a K-12 teacher or work for the government K-12 schools?

Just wondering.


158 posted on 03/09/2013 5:22:08 AM PST by wintertime
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To: metmom

Indeed!


159 posted on 03/09/2013 5:23:01 AM PST by wintertime
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To: PUGACHEV

My spelling ability is very weak, and I learned to read using phonics. While you blame sight reading for your poor spelling skills, I blame phonics.

How about that! :-)

Thank goodness for spell check! Life has been much easier since this invention.


160 posted on 03/09/2013 5:31:18 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

No, I’m an attorney.


161 posted on 03/09/2013 7:15:02 AM PST by PUGACHEV
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To: SMGFan

Producing the Democratic voters of tomorrow .....


162 posted on 03/09/2013 3:34:19 PM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: wintertime

Yes, I am, thank you, ma’am.

And I do my best to teach 7th grade math to all who get off the bus every morning. It has been my experience that even the students who have come up through saxon math, although they score well on the “standardized” tests, they cannot apply their “previously acquired” skills, and they do not perform well on “standardized” tests at the upper levels.

I applaud you and your home-school success! More power to you!!

Apparently, your children are the exception - as are mine.

After having children at age 28, I was a stay-at-home-mom. My husband and I did consider “home-schooling;” however, we chose public school for our children - and they have been VERY successful. (Probably due to our parenting... - which, by the way, from my experience, is lacking in the public school arena - and another reason I am a public school teacher: TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE in the lives of children who are not so fortunate as to have caring, involved parents.)

The oldest is a graduate from Auburn University with a B.S. in Poultry Science and a Master’s in Microbiology - soon-to-be a PhD candidate at Purdue University.

Our middle child is a graduate of Huntingdon College with a degree in English and a minor in Creative Writing.

Both boys excelled on the ACT and received academic scholarships for their college educations. (Thank goodness! Otherwise, we could not have afforded the tuition without loans.)

Our youngest is in public school, 8th grade, and doing very well in Algebra (no Saxon math). She, like her brothers, is involved in soccer, band, show choir, and theater.

You may not like public schools; however, I, my husband, and our children are exemplary examples of public education.

I strive to instill in my students a respect for the basic foundations of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, per our U.S. Constitution, all the while attempting to teach them the basics of 7th grade mathematics.

Please do not disrespect me and my vocation - because I disagree with you regarding Saxon math.


163 posted on 03/09/2013 3:50:51 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: lyby
Apparently, your children are the exception..
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My children are not exceptional. They were merely homeschooled. They are normally bright and likely not any smarter than the children of any Freeper. There are many homeschooling families with similar stories. It is common.

It is not a matter of liking or disliking government K-12 schooling. I merely call it what it is: a middle class entitlement that is a socialist-funded, single-payer, GODLESS, compulsory-use, and price-fixed monopoly cartel.

Children who attend will learn to think and reason godlessly. They must just to cooperate in the classroom that is godless by law. How could it possibly be otherwise? By the way, these godless classrooms are not religiously neutral in content or consequences. The children also risk learning to leave their religious beliefs in the trash can next to the door of their public lives.

Also....By attending these government schools children risk learning to be comfortable with government socialist, single-payer, godless, compulsory-use, price-fixed monopoly cartels.

Personally, I don't understand why anyone would agree to uphold and establish such a system and force on children and the taxpayer....But...Hey! Some people are, indeed, called by God. It certainly is possible. Maybe some are called to work in abortion centers, too, because they might be able to sneak in a little God-centered goodness once in a while. That, too, is possible. Who am I to say that a person does or does not have a “calling” ?

164 posted on 03/09/2013 4:20:22 PM PST by wintertime
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To: SoldierDad
That is because they did not have Head Start.

Oh wow Look!

A thread on your very favorite topic.

165 posted on 03/09/2013 4:39:20 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: EinNYC
What the hell do teacher pensions have to do with this? ...Teachers have to teach the curriculum they are given, they cannot deviate from it. How about PARENTS reading with their children

Geeesh where to start...

Well, the unions are RAT, the "teachers" are RAT, the low information parents are RAT, hell most of NYC is RAT.

Of course we are assuming a lot just thinking the "teachers" can read.

166 posted on 03/09/2013 4:47:41 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: wintertime

“By the way, these godless classrooms are not religiously neutral in content or consequences. The children also risk learning to leave their religious beliefs in the trash can next to the door of their public lives.”

So say you... I cannot tell you the numerous times my students have come to me with heavy hearts... AND WE HAVE PRAYED TO OUR GOD - one-on-one, that child and me...

“Personally, I don’t understand why anyone would agree to uphold and establish such a system and force on children and the taxpayer....But...Hey! Some people are, indeed, called by God. It certainly is possible. Maybe some are called to work in abortion centers, too...”

Now that is just repugnant... How dare you compare my teaching to abortion!

Shame on you.

I find YOUR comments abhorring.


167 posted on 03/09/2013 5:09:57 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: wintertime

WOW! You have issues... If you need a friend, I am here...


168 posted on 03/09/2013 5:14:45 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: wintertime

BTW: My “mantra” during childbirth is the same every morning on my way to public school: “I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.” ~ Philippians 4:13


169 posted on 03/09/2013 6:20:42 PM PST by lyby
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To: lyby
my teaching
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I know nothing about **your** specifics. I discuss government education in GENERAL I cannot control your take on my posts, though. That is entirely within your domain of influence.

IN GENERAL:

There are some fundamental characteristics common to all government owned and run GODLESS and socialist-entitlement schooling: This is not something that I would seek work teaching a child.

1) It is godless. Those teachers who do attempt to sneak in some Christianity are risking teaching powerful lessons: Christians are sneaky and they break the law. That is not a good thing to teach children and I personally would never choose that line of work.

2) Children who attend government schools risk learning that any voting mob powerful enough to give them socialist entitlement and tuition-free schooling is powerful enough to give them lots of free stuff. This is not a good thing to do to children and something I personally would not do.

Re: “I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.” ~ Philippians 4:13

Yep! I lived that principle having home educated three children. And...Through the power of Christ it **is** possible to collapse the godless government school system. and bring children into an educational environment that is truly and thoroughly Christian and conservative and not the least bit sneaky about it.

Re: Abortion

Have you read the Barna reports? 85% of children from highly active evangelical homes fail to be active in their faith 2 years after graduating from high school. In contrast 95% of homeschoolers are active in their faith. Abortion merely aborts the body. Government schools abort the souls. Of the two, spiritual death is far more grave. Therefore.....Mentioning government schooling and abortion in the same paragraph or sentence is completely appropriate.

( Not proof read. I am in a hurry.)

170 posted on 03/09/2013 8:38:15 PM PST by wintertime
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Please explain why you are such an Ass!


171 posted on 03/11/2013 7:40:21 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

While we’re at it, here’s another question for you. Have you stopped beating your wife yet???


172 posted on 03/11/2013 7:46:49 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: SoldierDad
Please continue defending our wonderful government "schools" the socialist/queer indoctrination centers. We want to hear more.

Please explain why you are such an Ass!

You wouldn't happen to be a union-thug educRAT would you?

173 posted on 03/11/2013 2:18:26 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: Hoodat

Why should they sue their parents? It’s the teacher’s job to teach the children to read. Parents aren’t qualified teachers, doncha know. At least that’s what I have been told over and over again as I have homeschooled my 3 children. At least 2 out of 3 of my children can read. The ‘baby’ has just started learning to read and is still learning the phonics sounds.


174 posted on 03/11/2013 3:30:00 PM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: nascarnation

That’s exactly the purpose of every government employee—that’s also why we’re in this serious financial problem.


175 posted on 03/11/2013 3:42:30 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma (The perfect is the enemy of the good..............Voltaire)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Ah. I see. You are one of those typical clown trolls. You need new material.


176 posted on 03/11/2013 3:51:35 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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