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Officials: 80 Percent Of Recent NYC High School Graduates Cannot Read
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Posted on 03/07/2013 3:11:25 PM PST by SMGFan

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To: BilLies

“According to the chart on page 5, 14.3% of the total students are White, apparently not hispanic, yet according to a census report for 2011 for NYC White non- hispanic, is 58%....where have all the childern gone?”

I’ll take a -guess- that the “14.3%” represents white kids in -public- schools.

I’ll also guess that as many, or more (perhaps most), are enrolled in private schools not a part of this survey.


101 posted on 03/07/2013 6:49:05 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: Road Glide

You may have identified the reason the numbers are so far apart.


102 posted on 03/07/2013 6:55:17 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Talisker

Liberals NEVER acknowledge failure; smiley faces for everyone’s grades without the stigma of merit.


103 posted on 03/07/2013 7:07:58 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (One "bitter clinger" praying for revival. <BCC><)
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To: SMGFan

Reading is for the white man, it ain’t Keepin’ it real.


104 posted on 03/07/2013 7:10:27 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Average Al

“Makes you wonder how they can read to vote.”

C’mon, even dead people can read well enough to vote Dem.


105 posted on 03/07/2013 7:14:45 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (One "bitter clinger" praying for revival. <BCC><)
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To: Marie

Amazing. But not really. A highschool teacher in Florida that I knew was afraid to actually push the kids to learn because the parents would file racial discrimination suits against him. Most of the kids in that HS were Blacks, and also pretty well-heeled. It was anything but a slum.


106 posted on 03/07/2013 7:15:31 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely expressed as advice)
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To: Skepolitic

Lol....no sarc tag needed there.


107 posted on 03/07/2013 7:16:05 PM PST by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: deport

Very informative link, deport. Interesting that the bottom category on the birthplace list is “country unknown.” No doubt for kids of illegals and terrorists.


108 posted on 03/07/2013 7:18:26 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely expressed as advice)
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To: SMGFan
Well, I guess the US Department of Education has no solutions.

Sure they do. Another couple billion bucks and they can get it up to 90% who can't read.

Looking at their policies, I surely suspect that illiteracy is their primary objective, they just need more money to reach it.

109 posted on 03/07/2013 7:29:05 PM PST by Ditto
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To: verga

Are you buddies with humblegunner?


110 posted on 03/07/2013 7:29:48 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (One "bitter clinger" praying for revival. <BCC><)
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To: Road Glide
“According to the chart on page 5, 14.3% of the total students are White, apparently not hispanic, yet according to a census report for 2011 for NYC White non- hispanic, is 58%....where have all the childern gone?”

A good chunk of the kids are in Catholic schools. Many of that 58% are still single, not native New Yawkers from overseas and around the country, especially queers.

I was born in NYC and grew up here. Almost all of my friends who got married and had kids moved to the suburbs.

111 posted on 03/07/2013 7:30:30 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: Beelzebubba
Public schools are perpetrating intellectual genocide.

Amen. It is deliberate.

112 posted on 03/07/2013 7:43:34 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: EinNYC
The EIN sure cannot stand for Einstein...that's clear. And manners have nothing to do with your life either...that's also clear. Since you are dumb and rude, let me explain (and I will type slowly so even you can follow). The awful teacher's unions have fought tooth and nail over the past 40 years so that dreadful, idiotic, unprepared teachers could not be fired; they have also fought against any kind of testing that would qualify teachers; thy fought against charter schools; in fact, they have fought against anything that would improve education for students. The only thing these horrible people did (the unions, not the teachers) was fight for themselves. Period. There...did that enter your skull?

You're welcome.

113 posted on 03/07/2013 9:16:09 PM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy
I think you've been indulging in a bit too much of your own product, Pharm. You obviously have a bad case of "on the outside looking in". You don't know what you're talking about, and it's only a shame that you parade this ignorance in public.

It is not true that teachers cannot be fired; unions simply ensure that they have a right to due process.

There is NO evidence that charter schools get better results than public schools. It is also true that charter schools quietly toss students who are lowering the school's stats out the back door, back to public school.

Teachers have to undergo rigorous tests in order to qualify in their specialty, Mr. Know-it-all. Those tests are rather challenging. I borrowed a friend's Kaplan prep books for the Medcats and found them to be well-attuned to the level of the teacher specialty exams I had to take for my field. Out of a possible 300, I scored 285. Soooo dumb. Easy to dish it out, eh moron?

As a matter of fact, Pharmie-la, teachers have fought hard over the years for things that would help their students learn. We, after all, are the people in the classroom with the kids. We know them. We care about them. We know their life stories. We know what kinds of lessons they enjoy, and what kinds of lessons would probably turn them off. Not the politicians looking for some cheap political points. Not the zillionaires looking to keep the training of the next generation within the hands of a very few, so that they will have the future of the nation in their liberal and uninformed hands. And certainly not people living in their mother's basement surrounded by used candy wrappers (and worse) like you.

The next time Mom lets you use the computer, you should make sure of your facts before you pop off at people who know more about their subject than you do. You are SO pathetically dumb and rude.

114 posted on 03/07/2013 9:59:29 PM PST by EinNYC
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To: BilLies
According to the chart on page 5, 14.3% of the total students are White, apparently not hispanic, yet according to a census report for 2011 for NYC White non- hispanic, is 58%....where have all the childern gone?

A good chunk of the kids are in Catholic schools. Many of that 58% are still single, not native New Yawkers from overseas and around the country, especially queers.

I was born in NYC and grew up here. Almost all of my friends who got married and had kids moved to the suburbs.

115 posted on 03/07/2013 10:01:55 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: Blue Collar Christian; humblegunner
Are you buddies with humblegunner?

He and I share similar views on a number of topics as well as a number of members of FR, why do you ask?

116 posted on 03/08/2013 1:57:07 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Straight Vermonter
The headline is very misleading. It is 80% of City College students from the NY Public school system need remediation.

Here are the deceptions: First City College or CUNY is a system of colleges designed to provide higher education to the residents of New York city, but open to everyone. It is a broad spectrum of schools some of which are top notch, some are more like 4 year community colleges. Tuition is low (aprox $6,000/year) and acceptance is high, although can be selective at the better schools.

The remediation program itself is a money maker for the educators. They have every motivation to put students through it and it is practically a required course. My child who graduated the NY school system with honors was accepted into an honors program at one of the more exclusive CUNY schools. He was informed that first semester would be remedial classes if he attended. He was also accepted at other top notch schools (without any such requirement). He did not choose to attend the CUNY system and for the record made the Dean's list his first semester at a much more challenging school without remediation.

Although Public Schools in this country are doing a poor job in general of educating our children, I do not believe NY is worse than many other areas of the country.

117 posted on 03/08/2013 2:19:34 AM PST by Woodman
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To: razorback-bert
The Regent’s program isn’t what it used to be. I am not sure if it is required anymore, but it has been dumbed down so much that I believ they are talking about dropping it all togehter.
118 posted on 03/08/2013 2:23:40 AM PST by Woodman
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To: SMGFan

The NYC public schools mirror the dogma put forth by the “Frankfurt School”, a.k.a. “cultural Marxism”, that emigrated to Columbia University, co-opted the “Progressive” philosophy of John Dewey, and is ensconced in the Teachers College...

Here’s the model: A really big system with huge overhead; a heavily unionized, hierarchal command structure; leftist, one-party political control rife with patronage; numerous racial preferences for minorities; emphasis on “social justice”, Multi-culturalism, and “political correctness” over academic achievement; massive budget; flight to private and parochial schools by those who can afford to do it.

Central planning and one-party rule have historically predictable results: failure. The NYC system is the epicenter of the educational philosophy that infects our urban schools and threatens all of public education. Is it a coincidence that New Left thugs like Bill Ayers and his wife ‘Medusa’ Dohrn, have embedded themselves in teacher training?

The sad fact is that this model remains in place in nearly all of our major urban centers that vote blue: NYC, Boston, Philadelphia, Baltimore, D.C., L.A. San Francisco, Detroit, Cleveland, and of course, maybe worst of all, Chicago. NYC’s dismal results are probably not even the worst among these.

Failure to serve these young people is just so incredibly sad to me. Insuring illiteracy and ignorance is akin to slavery, in fact, it IS slavery. These statistics are a moral outrage; a willingness to keep millions of American kids in bondage.

Mayor Bloomberg, your obsession with controlling the minutia of personal life; your strident finger-wagging about salt and soda and ear buds, is the conduct of a Mad Hatter. Look what your arrogance has wrought. What a disgrace!


119 posted on 03/08/2013 3:47:08 AM PST by CharlesThe Hammer
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To: SMGFan

Once again the racial demographics tell a large part of the story but we continue to pretend it isn’t so and yet just can’t seem to figure it out. The ‘racial gap’ persist...


120 posted on 03/08/2013 4:03:01 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: SMGFan
Screw the kiddies!......"look for the union label commercial".......
121 posted on 03/08/2013 4:11:26 AM PST by wesagain (The God #Elohim# of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: SMGFan

On the plus side, 20% can read.

My two daughters learned to read in 10 hours, at four years of age, using phonics. 15 minutes per day, for a month. They then began reading Dr. Suess on their own.

This is slightly below the average for homeschoolers.

The government schools can go to hell, from whence they came.

Read about it below for free.

http://johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/index.htm


122 posted on 03/08/2013 4:48:34 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: SMGFan

I am not suprised.
No Child Left Behind has led to massive cheating on the standardized tests, and poorer education.


123 posted on 03/08/2013 5:02:27 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: petitfour

The school administrators will tell teachers to do the tests for the kids. Or they will change the answers before turning them in.

My bride got pressured, once, to do so. She asked for it in writing, and said that she will turn it in to the paper. We aren’t from here, and don’t care if we have to move.


124 posted on 03/08/2013 5:11:28 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: EinNYC
You spout so much garbage and outright lies, there is only ONE person you can actually be: Welcome to Free Republic, Ms. Randi Weingarten (yep--that's where the EIN comes from). Well, I hope you're proud of yourself for almost single-handedly RUINING the lives a two generations of inner city kids.

But the pension plans for all your followers are doing well, I understand.

Now you can go back to moveon.org and DU where others of your stripe appreciate you...we do not, you obnoxious, over the hill jackal who has stolen the future from so many children.

And I mean that in a good way. You can have the last word.

125 posted on 03/08/2013 5:59:00 AM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: SMGFan; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; Aggie Mama; agrace; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

126 posted on 03/08/2013 6:08:15 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Elsiejay
We are not necessarily a whole lot smarter than the average, but just possibly being nurtured in a family environment was helpful.

Not *just possibly* and *helpful*, but *absolutely essential* and *critical*.

It known that parental involvement with their children at a young age, especially 18-26 months, is absolutely essential and critical to a child's mental development and will determine whether they succeed in becoming literate or not.

I'll guess you didn't talk baby talk to them either.

127 posted on 03/08/2013 6:16:23 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: elkfersupper
I had enough curiosity to teach myself how to read before I got to the 1st grade.

I wrote two books before I left my mother's womb.

"L: )

128 posted on 03/08/2013 6:18:31 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: PUGACHEV; Marie

Phonics is the BEST way to learn to read.

If you’ve ever watched the National Spelling Bee, you’ll see the kids using phonics and the language of origin to try to determine how to spell a word.

If you simply do memorization, you are dependent on memorizing every single word you know and if you don’t, you don’t have a clue how to pronounce it. Nor can you sound it out to have any idea how to spell it correctly.

With phonics, you simply sound out the word, knowing what sound each letter makes. It can be learned in less than 2 years in a school setting, at the first and second grade level. I know because we used Ron & Staff Phonics for our kids when we homeschooled them and it as for first and second grade and they learned it all.

And all are excellent spellers.


129 posted on 03/08/2013 6:25:02 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: lyby
However, AVOID Saxon Math

I'd disagree with you. Used Saxon Math from my 4th grade year up until I went into calculus in college, loved it. No problem applying to real-world problems. Many many homeschoolers love Saxon for the mastery of basic concepts.

130 posted on 03/08/2013 6:43:16 AM PST by JenB
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To: Pharmboy
Hey, mama's--oops,I mean Pharm-boy--same thing--a whole teachers' lounge of real teachers wants to thank you. Jeez, we almost spewed our coffee over our homework papers to grade when I read your reply aloud. You are an amazing idiot. Ever think of letting Guinness exhibit you?

I am not Randi Weingarten. She's not too popular around here, having signed off on a horrid contract and a bunch of things deleterious to student learning.

We want to know how many hours you spent memorizing your tired, oh-so-tired rhetoric which originated in the minds of others, but which you parrot. That's all you are obviously capable of, not an original thought in what passes for a mind under your pathetic pate.

I am, BTW, a conservative teacher who holds out for high standards, both academic and moral, in the classroom. Unlike you, I write my own lines and could care less if many people around me follow the liberal line. I know what's right, and I know who's put his foot in it. I think I hear your mother calling. Make sure you clean up the slob den around your computer chair before you go upstairs, 'kay?

131 posted on 03/08/2013 6:55:31 AM PST by EinNYC
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To: metmom

I love articles like this!

As homeschooling parents, they help reassure us in times of doubt that we can’t do any worse than the schools!

Cheers!


132 posted on 03/08/2013 7:34:09 AM PST by DoctorBulldog (Obama sucks. End of story.)
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To: EinNYC

Thanks for confirming for me that homeschooling my own kid is the right choice.


133 posted on 03/08/2013 8:11:21 AM PST by JenB
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
They reason these kids can’t read is because of COKE, and it ain’t the soda kind, Bloomturd.

Research indicates that about 1% of 18-to-20-year-olds use cocaine once or more a month. (http://www.samhsa.gov/data/NSDUH/2k10ResultsTables/NSDUHTables2010R/HTM/Sect1peTabs1to46.htm#Tab1.5B)

134 posted on 03/08/2013 9:13:24 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: DoctorBulldog

No kidding.

For all the government school people who think kids are better off in school than not, actually, the kids wouldn’t be any less educated not in school.

Failure rates like this demonstrate the failure of public education.

The only kids who do well in public schools are the ones with parental involvement, meaning the parents are unofficially and informally homeschooling their on their own time and dime.

The real fruit of the public education system is found in those kids who depend on is solely for their education and so far, it has been nothing but a miserable failure, as evidenced by articles like this.


135 posted on 03/08/2013 9:15:41 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: verga

The seemingly self appointed policeman status.


136 posted on 03/08/2013 10:13:04 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (One "bitter clinger" praying for revival. <BCC><)
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To: BilLies
According to the chart on page 5, 14.3% of the total students are White, apparently not hispanic, yet according to a census report for 2011 for NYC White non- hispanic, is 58%....where have all the childern gone?
Religious schools (Catholic and Jewish) and Private Schools educate many. There are only a few good public schools in the city. Also, many of the whites are young and unmarried. They move to the suburbs when they have kids. The 500-800 thousand dollar one bedroom apartment in Manhattan becomes a nice home or downpayment in the suburbs.
137 posted on 03/08/2013 11:47:55 AM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: SMGFan
80 Percent Of Recent NYC High School Graduates Cannot Read

Yet they CAN vote.
138 posted on 03/08/2013 11:48:06 AM PST by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: metmom
"Phonics is the BEST way to learn to read."

Phonics is certainly the best way to learn to spell, but I am not sure it is the best way to learn reading. By teaching us to read at sight, one nun had over 120 children in my first grade class reading by the end of the year -- well, that and her fearsome hicory yardstick. I've always been a good reader, and found myself far ahead of neghborhood friends who learned phonetics in public school. Throughout my school years, reading and comprhension were my strongest assets, and I've earned a good living since being able to pick apart the rather dense prose of the Bankruptcy and the Tax Codes. I must admit, however, spelling is a different matter. In this area my skills are not so much, and I blame lack of phonetics for that.

Oddly, when I learned Spanish as an adult, first as a small child might from imersion, and later in an academic setting, I was taught Phonics in Espanol. I noticed the same trade off, slower reading development, but a stronger grasp of spelling.

139 posted on 03/08/2013 12:45:30 PM PST by PUGACHEV
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To: PUGACHEV

When a person can sound out an unfamiliar word with the tools phonics provides, he doesn’t have to try to guess how to pronounce it nor guess the meaning of the word by context.

From my experience, not having been taught phonics myself in school, and having my kids learn it from homeschooling, and as a result learning it myself, its benefits FAAARRRR outweigh any perceived drawbacks.

While the speed of learning to read may be (may)initial be a bit faster with the sight reading method, after a certain point, it will even out and the other benefits of the phonics teaching will kick in.

Likely a nun with a hickory yardstick was more incentive to learn to read than the teaching method. It would be interesting to compare results with that motivator removed from the equation.


140 posted on 03/08/2013 12:54:14 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Blue Collar Christian
Here....

You can use this....


141 posted on 03/08/2013 12:58:15 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: EinNYC; Pharmboy
It is not true that teachers cannot be fired; unions simply ensure that they have a right to due process.

Bullsh!t!

Tenure ensures that they can't be fired unless it's for murder or rape, and not necessarily for the latter.

That's also a bunch of crap. In Buffalo NY every few years, the city's teachers are given a high school proficiency exam and most of them cannot even pass what is required of the students to graduate from high school.

And the response is what?

Cries of *racism*. No denying that it's wrong results. No, the test administrators are racists.

Right.....

You are SO pathetically dumb and rude.

After your obnoxious, and yes, rude and dumb post, you have the nerve to call HIM rude and dumb? That's the pot calling the kettle black.

142 posted on 03/08/2013 1:05:20 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: lyby; Marie
However, AVOID Saxon Math. It is merely rote learning - no THINKING involved. I cannot tell you how many parents say to me, “My child has ALWAYS made A’s in Math.” These students can apply the algorithms, but they cannot apply that knowledge to solve real-life problems.

My kids cut their teeth on Saxon math and used it all thorough their schooling. And all three of the got into calculus in their first semester of college without the need for pre-calc or remedial math of any kind. And they all passed it.

I learned more math teaching my kids out of Saxon math than any public education system taught me and I understood it.

Saxon is the best for teaching real life application of math and preparing the student for real life application of it.

143 posted on 03/08/2013 1:10:25 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: PUGACHEV

Yes, you were one of the lucky ones. Studies show one-third of first grade students can memorize enough sight words to learn to read fairly well. However, the bottom third is handicapped for life. Some sort of reading Bell curve.

Comparative studies show phonics produces better readers in the long run, and yes, they can spell.

One study at Yale using MRI brain imaging techniques revealed that learning to sound out words results in more flow of blood to the brain. Readers who lacked the ability to sound out words had less blood flow to the language centers and in some cases, not much activity at all.

I saw one study comparing Open Court (phonics) with a well-known sight reading program which showed an increase in IQ of 5 - 10% for the kids that were taught phonics.


144 posted on 03/08/2013 1:10:40 PM PST by Liberty Wins
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To: JenB
I'd disagree with you. Used Saxon Math from my 4th grade year up until I went into calculus in college, loved it. No problem applying to real-world problems. Many many homeschoolers love Saxon for the mastery of basic concepts.

There is one school district in NY which noticed that all the homeschoolers used Saxon math and all their kids did exceptionally well on the standardized testing. They looked into it at the elementary level, Math 54, 65, 76,and 87, and liked it so much that they used it for their elementary schools and THEIR standardized test scores went up.

145 posted on 03/08/2013 1:13:02 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

John Saxon was an algebra teacher who was disappointed in the results he was getting with the standard texts. After studying older texts from earlier in the century he noticed that after introducing new mathematical concepts they would constantly review those concepts before giving the kids new material to master. And that’s how he designed his math program.

It’s common sense. Give the students plenty of chances to review material so they retain their skills.

Public schools continually experiment with new methods without bothering to study the research, if any, to see if it works. This is true of language arts, math, science, etc. Perfect way to dumb down the schools.


146 posted on 03/08/2013 1:31:54 PM PST by Liberty Wins
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To: Liberty Wins

Experimenting on the kids by constantly changing the curriculum is a recipe for disaster.


147 posted on 03/08/2013 1:35:32 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

And the jargon!

The term “sight reading” changed every few years to: look and see, look-say, look-and-guess, Dick-and-Jane, picture reading, picture reading, whole word, whole language, emergent literacy, functional systemic linguistic theory, psycholinguistics and oh, yes, invented spelling.

All of it was a pretense of professionalism. If they were real professionals they would have looked at their research once in a while and designed reading programs that work.


148 posted on 03/08/2013 2:14:53 PM PST by Liberty Wins
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To: SMGFan

50% of the teachers can’t read English. They sure as hell can’t speak it.


149 posted on 03/08/2013 2:58:24 PM PST by Terry Mross (How long before America is gone?)
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To: metmom
Thanks for your support, metmom.

This entity of indeterminate sex is so over the top and deluded there was nothing else it could do in the reply to my original post but to name-call...and continue with the most inane school-yard nonsense. It probably thinks that all the teachers in NYC have just been doing a great job; yet, the the fact that the kids have been getting worse and worse means nothing as long as s/he and its colleagues cannot be fired and never have to be checked for competence (while their pensions increase), all is good in its world.

Incredibly pathetic. No wonder the kids are in such bad shape with this as an example of NYC teachers...and a socialist calling itself conservative. Sheesh.

150 posted on 03/08/2013 3:29:43 PM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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