Skip to comments.More gun laws = fewer deaths, 50-state study says (MEGA BARF ALERT!)
Posted on 03/07/2013 6:14:11 AM PST by KeyLargo
More gun laws = fewer deaths, 50-state study says
By By LINDSEY TANNER, AP Medical Writer 14 hours ago
CHICAGO (AP) States with the most gun control laws have the fewest gun-related deaths, according to a study that suggests sheer quantity of measures might make a difference.
But the research leaves many questions unanswered and won't settle the debate over how policymakers should respond to recent high-profile acts of gun violence.
In the dozen or so states with the most gun control-related laws, far fewer people were shot to death or killed themselves with guns than in the states with the fewest laws, the study found. Overall, states with the most laws had a 42 percent lower gun death rate than states with the least number of laws.
The results are based on an analysis of 2007-2010 gun-related homicides and suicides from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The researchers also used data on gun control measures in all 50 states compiled by the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a well-known gun control advocacy group. They compared states by dividing them into four equal-sized groups according to the number of gun laws.
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Why is the White Hut cooking staff surrounding the pResident?
Strike one: AP
Strike two: It’s from Chicago.
We don’t even need a strike three.
Math is not now, nor has it ever been a friend of progressives.
If that is true, then they need to address this...
Why does Chicago have the highest murder rate in the US?
Why does violent crime and homicides rise significantly after passage of gun control?
Why did the murder rate in DC drop after the Heller case significantly?
I’m calling BS on that study.
He Docktor Flea Brain. Take your JAMA Report and jam it where the sun don’t shine!
“Fleegler is also among hundreds of doctors who have signed a petition urging President Barack Obama and Congress to pass gun safety legislation, a campaign organized by the advocacy group Doctors for America.”
Yes, even Orwell wouldn’t have written this story from Chicago....sheesh.
BTW, this same story appeared in an obscure Medical website yesterday, and some freepers predicted it would soon appear in MSM.....THEY WUZ RIGHT.
Report is most likely biased, skewed, and written by a gun hating liberal. If investigated this will be borne out as usual.
If this study were true, Chicago, New York , Washington DC, and Detroit should have no murders.
I would just guess and say they are counting the burglars and rapists killed in self defense by people who were armed and surely they are right.
Those burglars and rapists would be much safer if innocent people were not armed.
It used to be, many moons ago, that publishing false or misleading information under the banner of “research” would lead to ridicule, loss of credibility, even prison if it meant a loss of income, lifestyle, or freedom.
Nowadays, hawking the same old BS as “new” and packaging it as “research” means you can tell any lie you want and not get called out on it.
Chicago has some of the most oppressive gun laws in the country, yet it’s a third-world hellhole and boasts the highest murder rate in the country. Yet, here they are saying that Chicago, California, and New York are safer than, say, Louisville, KY or Dothan, AL, both very pro-gun cities. This is complete garbage and misdirection, and why they’re allowed to get away with journalistic malpractice is beyond my understanding.
I think my tagline covers this...
I have one word to reute all they say. Chicago.
fewer people were shot to death “or killed themselves with guns.” ..................................... Maybe because a running car in a closed garage is the preferred method? Oh, they skipped that part?
Yep. The fake polls and studies are now hitting the media.
The angry lesbians at the Salt Lake Tribune put a fake poll out this morning stating that Utahns want more gun laws...!
Look at the photo. That will tell you all you need to know:
“Dr. Eric Fleegler, the study’s lead author and an emergency department pediatrician”
Jan 22, 2013
Paul Hsieh, Contributor
Why Doctors Should Not Ask Their Patients About Guns
Should doctors ask patients if they own guns?
Currently, ObamaCare bans the federal government from using patient medical records to compile a list of gun owners. But following the Newtown, CT shootings, President Obama issued an executive order clarifying that the Affordable Care Act [ObamaCare] does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) similarly encourages physicians to ask patients if they own firearms in the name of protecting child safety. As a physician, I consider this advice misguided. Instead, physicians should not routinely ask patients whether they own guns, because it could compromise the integrity of the doctor-patient relationship.
First, the American Academy of Pediatrics is not politically neutral in the gun debate. The AAP supports standard Left positions, including federal firearms legislation that bans assault weapon sales and the sales of high capacity magazines and the strongest possible regulations of handguns for civilian use. The AAP also recommends that parents NEVER have a gun in the home (NEVER capitalized in their statement). Their website also cites the now-discredited 1986 claim that, A gun kept in the home is 43 times more likely to kill someone known to the family than to kill someone in self-defense.
Jeepers! Every clock in the room just stopped.
“But there were outliers: South Dakota, for example, had just two guns laws but few deaths.”
She seems to write about LGBT and medical marijuana issues as well...hmm I think I see a pattern emerging here:
Liberal. Chicago. Writer for MSM. Check.
Friend of Obama or supporter? Most likely.
The left has been looking for years and years for some kind of evidence they could use as propaganda to attack the human right to defend oneself. The result has been numerous attempts but only this one study they could spin their way.
Here is how it works. You search for databases and if you can’t find a suitable one then you collect your own. Once you have a database you carve it up hundreds of ways till you find some correlation that is significant and supports your view. If you don’t find anything, then you start making more and more complex tests and relationships till you find something. In this study, you can expect they looked at small areas, then counties, then states and regions till they found what they were looking for. They may have carved up the data other ways, too, and controlled for as many variables as necessary to get a significant relationship. One clue is the size of the database, the bigger the more ways you can carve it and control it till it gives you what you want.
If a state has a city and a rural region (IL and NY, for examples), then you can dilute the effect of high murder rate in the city with the very low rate in the rural region. That aids your argument but doesn’t tell you an honest story about gun laws. The laws are similar but the crime stats are greatly different. The law is therefore a weak if not irrelevant influence on the outcome. You will note that the authors could not identify causality—that means the entire study is worthless and merely a novelty. Without causal evidence, no recommendations can be made. That is the most important conclusion you must draw and the touting of the study is, therefore, unquestionably nothing but propaganda.
This "study" is a joke.
"Make sure you keep the french fries away from Michelle."
Cornered 'rats tend to be more aggressive (progressive?).
My prediction is that in the years to come, somewhere under obozocare, people are going to be required to answer certain questions or be denied care or some other service.
I also predict that the answers will be required to be answered “truthfully” with a penalty attached for false answers.
I’m sure that there are some people who will scoff at this and say that it will never happen. I understand. But I’d ask them to look around at all the things that have happened that most of us thought would never happen. Kinda scary, huh?
Jobs for chefs must be hard to get if these cooks must consent to be props in another phony photo op for Mooshele.
On some radio show last night the suggestion was one would have to surrender one's weapons to get gov't health care.
>> Vermont 0.3 <<
Yes, and you forgot to mention that Vermont’s gun laws are even less restrictive than Alaska’s!
2012 Washington DC #1 in gun deaths per 100,000
(I thought everybody knew that VT was one of the least restrictive states)
Uncertain as to the validity of this email I received this AM.
Formatting failed but easy to understand.
Chicago , IL
Houston , TX
Median HH income
% non-Hispanic White
A reasonably similar match up until you factor in a Concealed carry gun law.
Concealed carry gun law
# of gun stores
84 dedicated gun shops,
1500 places to buy guns
Homicides per 100k
high temp, F
Conclusion: Cold weather causes murder.
They get these numbers by including suicides (and they probably count all suicides as gun-related). If we were to look at only murders and leave out suicide and justifiable homicide (i.e. self defense) the numbers would tell a completely different story --and not one that gun banners would like to report.
It’s skewed by including firearms suicides.
Pediatricians praise president’s gun control proposal
Jan 30, 2013 7:59 PM CST
By Sarah Bleau
MEMPHIS, Tenn. (FOX13) -
It seems like everyone has something to say about President Obama’s gun control proposal, even doctors and pediatricians.
The American Association for Pediatrics (AAP) released a statement on their website applauding the president’s efforts and for considering their recommendations, especially when it came to allowing doctors to ask patients if there is a gun in their home.
We must place a renewed emphasis on improving gun injury and violence research, said Dr. Georges C. Benjamin, executive director of the American Public Health Assn. Benjamin called the presidents proposal a real opportunity to make long-lasting progress on reducing gun violence.
Regime Deputizes Gun-Snitch Doctors
January 16, 2013
RUSH: Among the things that the president has announced today — well, he didn’t announce them all, but I have them. I have a summary, and I have the full list, 23 Gun Violence Reduction Executive Actions, 23 of them. One of them is involving doctors. Obama asks doctors to help deal with guns, and here is the key language in this. “Preserve the rights of health care providers —” i.e., doctors “— to protect their patients and communities from gun violence. We should never ask doctors and other health care providers to turn a blind eye to the risks posed by guns in the wrong hands. Doctors and other mental health professionals play an important role in protecting the safety of their patients and the broader community by reporting direct and credible threats of violence to the authorities.”
From the description in the post it sounds like they were comparing raw numbers, not rates. Raw data is easily skewed by small populations. “look, we had only a couple of firearms deaths” - yeah, in a state with a population less than Denver. Plus looking only at firearms related deaths is misleading. You need to look at all deaths, beatings, stabbings, etc. Also you need to look at violent crime rates - they increase with increasing gun control because criminals rapidly learn their law abiding victims are defenseless.
There is no correlation between firearms ownership rates and homicide rate. Zero. These data do not include Washington, DC. If the plot included Washington DC, a point off the chart (literally) to the upper left, there would be a small, but not significant negative correlation.
I find it strange the groups here in VT trying to ram physician-assisted suicide down our throats are the same ones calling for more gun control laws to reduce suicides, since we don’t have a murder problem.
What would the murder rate in Chicago look like WITHOUT gun laws?
Guns are not a disease and you have “doktors” in this nation encouraging their patients to “CHOOSE DEATH” (suicide) so this is NOT about concern for their mental wellbeing.
Did they actually use, I don’t think “massaged” is a good word for it, perhaps “kneaded”, numbers, or just fall back on the good old reliable, “sucked them out of our thumbs”?
This is, quite simply, just plain false and has been shown to be so in reliable studies.
Phoenix has a much lower crime rate because, while both states have reasonable firearms ownership and carry laws, the State of Arizona has some of the strongest firearms preemption laws in the country and citizens of Phoenix are for the most part free to defend themselves Citizens of Philadelphia are, by force of law, soft targets.
This despite the fact that the Federal Government has in the past armed the drug gangs here.
>> I thought everybody knew that VT was one of the least restrictive states <<
On the contrary, I’d say the fact is known by very few people outside of VT and maybe NH. When I mention it to either a gun-control fan or an NRA member, I almost always get a reaction of surprise!
They want to make it a lot harder for you to kill yourself so that you can spend more time on Earth as Obumma’s milking cow.
U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee Passes Semi-Auto and Private Sales Bans
Posted on March 15, 2013
On March 12 and 14, the Senate Judiciary committee held two working sessions to deal with gun-related bills.
The result of those hearings was the passage of Sen. Charles Schumers (D-N.Y.) S. 374, the “Fix Gun Checks Act of 2013”—which would criminalize virtually all private firearm sales, even temporary transfers—and Sen. Dianne Feinsteins (D-Calif.) S. 150, the “Assault Weapons Ban of 2013.”
Both of these bills pose a direct threat to our Second Amendment rights and both were passed on party-line votes, with committee Democrats supporting the bills and all Republicans voting no.
If it’s California then let the idiots enjoy getting raped and killed by illegals. It will be a state pastime like it is in Europe.
If red states comply..well...they deserve the same. Any innocents killed in the decades to come will get to watch the fools roast in Hell for what they have done.
They don’t want you killing yourself unless the state determines that it doesn’t need your carcass.
Colorado governor to sign gun controls into law
Published March 19, 2013
| Associated Press
DENVER Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper will sign legislation Wednesday that sets limits on ammunition magazines and expands background checks for firearms, marking a Democratic victory in a state where gun ownership is a treasured right and Second Amendment debate has played out in the wake of two mass shootings.
The measures proposed are some of the strictest gun laws in the nation, and their passage comes after weeks of tense legislative battles. Republicans and gun rights supporters put up a major fight against the measures in this politically moderate state, while Democrats made them the centerpieces of a package of legislative proposals drafted in reaction to shooting rampages at a suburban Denver movie theater and a Connecticut elementary school last year.
67% of firearm murders took place in the country’s 50 largest metro areas. The 62 cities in those metro areas have a firearm murder rate of 9.7, more than twice the national average. Among teenagers the firearm murder rate is 14.6 or almost three times the national average. Those numbers are from six years ago. They have grown worse since.
Those are the crowded cities of Obamerica. The places with the most restrictive gun control laws and the highest crime rates. These are the places where the family is broken, money comes from the government and immigrants crowd in from some of the most violent parts of the world bringing with them their own organized crime. These are also the places that have run by Democrats and their political machines for almost as long as they have been broken.
Obama won every major city in the election, except for Jacksonville and Salt Lake City. And the higher the death rate, the bigger his victory. He won New Orleans by 80 to 17 where the murder rate is ten times higher than the national average. He won Detroit, where the murder rate of 53 per 100,000 people is the second highest in the country and twice as high as any country in the world, including the Congo and South Africa. He won it 73 to 26. And then he celebrated his victory in Chicago where the murder rate is three times the statewide average.
These places aren’t America. They’re Obamerica.
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