Posted on 03/07/2013 12:06:18 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Who's being naive, Lindsey?
He did and for his effort he gets...credit.
But, the reality is he and a handful ain’t gonna be enough.
I really don’t think anyone is trying to diminish his effort, but we’re trying to reconcile what real good if any, did it do? What did he accomplish?
Nothing changed because of his effort, so now what?
☞ Shifts emphasis in leadership powers in the Senate;
☞Holds and controls the microphone so that it can give rather than suppress information;
☞gives time to clarify a concern publicly, increasing accountability;
☞obtain concessions from the opposition and win over moderates; educate the public;
☞emboldens the party base to elect such members to Congress;
☞preps for future legislation;
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
Way to go Rand Paul!
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But, really, who saw or will see any of it? It makes our side feel better because Paul brought up a lot of issues we like to harp about. But who is talking about this today besides pundits and those of us who don’t need convincing.
Sorry, but Paul’s vote for Hagel has just really soured me on his motives.
Are these sour notes of yours another variation of “what difference does it make?”
Rand Paul is Senator from Kentucky and Ted Cruz is Senator from TEXAS.
For crying out loud, the man stood up in the Senate and did exactly what we’ve been demanding for years-—fight back——and here we have some people on this board who are actually trying to diminish his effort.
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Perhaps Paul’s vote for Hagel’s confirmation has colored our thinking....
Here’s a guy who’s been hiding for 4 yrs since he was elected in ‘08, didn’t even know who he was.... James E. Risch, (R-Sen, ID), where was he yesterday???
Where were the ‘loud mouths’ of the GOP??... McCain, Graham.. the ‘grand-standers’ who “stand” for NOTHING!
So now, the Senate agrees 0bama can Hellfire to death any American at will.
And nobody but Cruz stood with Rand to oppose the naked assumption of the power to murder at will.
The paperwork that every member of Congress should be required to fill out and publish for public view is their response to this “quiz”:
List 10 things the current regime can NEVER do, the legal reasoning that would be used to attempt it, and the names of the exact people who would stop them if they tried.
Well the above is not really true. I watched Paul, Cruz and a few others take a stand for the US Constitution yesterday the out pouring of support on social media and twitter was quite remarkable. Those of us that believe in the US Constitution have been leaderless for many years. Most politicians just play lip service to our Constitution. Now we have at least two leaders, Paul and Cruz, that have taken on the White House directly and by name in defense of the Constitution. At last we have creditable and competent leadership at the national level. That in and of itself is a major step forward.
No. Pretty sure no Americans were murdered by terrorists in this incident.
My point was that Paul’s filibuster accomplished nothing other than giving us the rare opportunity to say, “Yeah, that’s what I would love to be able to say in their faces!”
Who is actually talking about this today? Conservatives, the very people who do not need convincing.
Believe me, I would love to share in the ebullience this morning. But it just reminds me of all of the times we were just beaming, during the 2008 presidential campaign, when Gingrich would speak up to the obnoxious debate questioners. Nothing was accomplished other than our having transitory feelings of pride.
Shifts emphasis in leadership powers in the Senate;
How so? Can you tell me how you see it as a leadership power shift?
Holds and controls the microphone so that it can give rather than suppress information
Ideally yes. But if a tree falls in a forest and nobody is there to here...does it make a noise? Was it just preaching to the choir?
gives time to clarify a concern publicly, increasing accountability;
I don’t hear any calls for accountablity this morning...and this concerns me. I ‘m not surprised though as is the media just discussing there was a filibuster of Brennan or are they discussing the real reason for the filibuster?
obtain concessions from the opposition and win over moderates; educate the public
How so? What concessions have been made or even rumored about? Educate the public. Were they even really paying attention or was it just the conservative base? Low information voters don’t watch C-span all they likely heard was crazy Rand Paul filibustered....blah, blah, blah...
emboldens the party base to elect such members to Congress;
Maybe. Yes, Rand Paul needs help in Congress.
I don't get what the naysayers on this thread are about, just criticism, no suggestions.
And the longer he, personally goes, the more the debate among the talking heads will move towards the Drone issue. It stops being perceived as a Republican thing, and becomes another unconstitutional tyrannical act by Holder and backed by the President. It’s very elegant if you think about it. It’s similiar to when Buddhist monks would self-immolate in Viet-Nam. It wasn’t a Viet Cong thing, but a personal protest, a personal sacrificed. And the debate then slowly changes. You get just one talking head on CNN discussing eminent threat and the Sixth Amendment, and no matter how the vote goes, Rand Paul won big, and the President and his cabal lose big.
Indeed it does...and the Jews wandered in the desert for 40 years too.
>> Cruz and Paul have lost us more liberty with their stunts.
That makes no sense whatsoever. Care to elaborate?
Don't believe that shit for a minute, My FRiend. If we are at the place where we can and do murder the unborn with an assembly line efficancy for thwe sake of conveince and also non chantally stand by as an elderly person slowly dies before one's eyes and the child of the deceased says that they are o.k. with that. Then we are not far from the point that those in power will order the wholesale slaughter of their political enemies. And those that are otherwise hated and reviled. In the previous sentence I am referring to Christiana, legitimate gun owners, business owners, other people of good character, individuals who believe in the Principles set forth in the Constitution, etal. The Socialists, Communists, criminals, muslims, and parasites are or will be as the same ilk of the politicians when this begins. We are not quite at that point yet, but I believe one can see it from where we are now.
In closing, always keep in mind that when the Jews were warned as to what Hitler had planned for them, the majority said,"It will never happen." History testifies as to who was correce and incorrect.
Yes, we need to be pounding our Senators as to why they didn’t stand with Rand Paul.
I suggest we ask them the following question: List 10 things the current regime could NEVER do, the legal reasoning they would use to try to justify doing them, and the names of the exact persons who have the ability and willingness to stop them if they tried doing those things TODAY.
Come to think of it, this should be a required question for anybody nominated for a cabinet position as well.
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