Posted on 03/05/2013 8:25:44 AM PST by SeekAndFind
NOW IS OUR CHANCE TO BE PROACTIVE. PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY that this bill will be passed.
The first amendment makes this bill unnecessarily redundant unnecessarily, I repeat repeat.
In short, beliefs belong in church.
RE: In short, beliefs belong in church.
True, but it isn’t as simple as that.
What if government FORCES religiously devout businesses and institutions to go against their beliefs ( e.g. forcing them to provide contraceptive and abortificent services for their healthcare )?
I’m usually opposed to bill riders, but this bill also needs a rider to protect private businesses that don’t want to celebrate homosexual couples. So far in the U.S., a church-owned wedding gazebo, a wedding photographer, a cake-maker, a national online dating site, a wedding trolley have all had to go out of business or pay enormous fines for their rights of conscience when ambushed by gay couples. Also, various hotels and B&Bs in the UK.
Believe this: our Constitution says that all areas of law not specifically enumerated in the Constitution should be handled by the states. The Federal government should have nothing to do with inflicting insurance or abortion costs on citizens or privately-owned caregivers.
Wat? How are hotels and B&Bs in the UK being adversely affected by Obamacare?
The First Amendment is all that is needed on this topice. All this other legislation (including ACA) tries - and fails - to legislate morality.
What we're looking at involves two conflicting socialist systems.
>>>In short, beliefs belong in church.>>>
I don’t hang up my conscience when I leave church. Do you?
Dead in the Senate, even deader on The Won’s desk.
Canadian courts recently decided that any speech, including sermons, condemning the gay “lifestyle” was “hate speech” and actionable.
Given the lack of common sense in world today, we might need a Federal Law to prevent this sort of law here.
I am not very familiar with the Canadian constitution.
Do they have an equivalent for our first amendment?
I checked the Canadian constitution.
Their Section 1 is the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms which confirms that the rights listed in the Charter are guaranteed.
The section is also known as the reasonable limits clause or limitations clause.
It states thusly:
“The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.”
This to me, is more restrictive than our first amendment because it allows the GOVERNMENT to LEGALLY limit an individual’s Charter rights.
What do the words “reasonable limits” mean?
It can mean anything really depending on who sits on the bench.
Stay with the train of thought here. I was discussing a needful rider on any bill defending rights of religious conscience that would also defend private businesses from anti-Christian activism. Such assaults have infected all of Western jurisprudence here and in Europe that once recognized the Natural Law.
Riders are often attached to other bills for related purposes, and even for unrelated purposes, like distributing pork projects to a Senator's district when he approves a completely unrelated bill.
Why do private, secular businesses have to be protected from anti-Christian activism? Should they also be protected from anti-Hindu activism? Anti-Muslim activism?
Hobby Lobby is a secular business, it's not a church. Either obey the law or go do something else.
So, you favor homosexualism being forced into the private business lives of Christians of conscience? Do you also favor forcing Orthodox Jews to eat pork and serve it in their restaurants, forcing Hindus to slaughter cows or forcing Muslims to own dogs? How about forcing homosexuals to remain faithful in marriage, since that is the norm of marriage? Lots of luck with that...
I’m sorry, maybe you could link me to the US Code that would require:
1) Orthodox Jews to eat pork and serve it in their restaurants,
2) Forcing Hindus to slaughter cows, or
3) Forcing Muslims to own dogs
Also how is homosexualism being forced onto people?
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