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The Navy's Next-Generation Warship Gets Two Critical Defensive Boosts
TBI ^ | 3-4-2013 | Robert Johnson

Posted on 03/04/2013 1:38:49 PM PST by blam

The Navy's Next-Generation Warship Gets Two Critical Defensive Boosts

Robert Johnson
March 4, 2013, 8:06 AM

The Navy's new $440-million Littoral Combat Ship needs some help taking care of itself. The LCS is said to be vulnerable to incoming strikes, meaning it might not survive a shootout with, say, China.

Thankfully the ship may get two new life-saving escorts.

First, DARPA wants to boost the Independence-class LCS drone capability to host a 27-foot wingspan Predator-like UAV. Previously it could only launch and receive a modest tactical drone like the ScanEagle. The new TERN program calls for a drone that can be ship-launched and recovered, while also carrying a 600-pound payload up to a 900-mile radius from the ship.

Second, the LCS is getting a new robotic surface-based mine hunter called the Unmanned Influence Sweep System.

All the LCS needs now is a sub-hunting guide to help it avoid another underwater threat, and it just so happens DARAPA's lining one of those up as well. The ACTUV sub-tracking drone is taking shape at SAIC, but no word yet on where it will be assigned once it's ready for deployment.

Click here to tour the Independence Class LCS.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: defense; navy; stealthy; warships
These are being built at the Austal Shipyard here in Mobile. It is about five miles away from where the Airbus-320 airplane will be built.

-Roll Tide-

1 posted on 03/04/2013 1:38:56 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

That ship looks cool. Purpose built.


2 posted on 03/04/2013 1:45:57 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Does look cool. While I like the idea of the modular packages, I’d be somewhat skeptical that the needed module would be available - and instantly installed - at the precise moment it’s needed.

Kind of like asking a burglar to wait while you retrieve your gun from the safe, load it, remove the trigger lock prior to drawing down on them.


3 posted on 03/04/2013 1:55:53 PM PST by RonInNaples
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To: blam

Not even close to the cruisers of my day.


4 posted on 03/04/2013 1:56:27 PM PST by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: Paladin2

It may look cook but I wouldn’t want to serve on one. That class of ship has close to zero survivability. A drone will do little to change that.

The only reason the Navy has those ships is so they can say they have ships, when in reality, they are very limited in what they can do, and where they can do them.

I’d rather have 3 destroyers than 10 LCS’s.


5 posted on 03/04/2013 1:57:39 PM PST by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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To: blam

That thing looks badass.

Want...for my personal yacht.

I’d sail it through Somalia.

BTW, why is there always water pouring out of ports on boats?

I would think they are sealed preventing the ship from taking on water.


6 posted on 03/04/2013 2:03:34 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Sporke

But it looks like you can play basketball on the deck of one of these bad boys.


7 posted on 03/04/2013 2:06:24 PM PST by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: Sporke
I’d rather have 3 destroyers than 10 LCS’s.

At least destroyers at one time could lay down decent gunfire support. They would often come in close to the coast on RVN and shell with the 5" batteries.

Dunno just what "combat" this LCS is capable of.

8 posted on 03/04/2013 2:06:52 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: blam
First, DARPA wants to boost the Independence-class LCS drone capability to host a 27-foot wingspan Predator-like UAV.

Just out of curiosity, since the article specifically mentions China, how well do the Predator drones survive against actual military anti aircraft fire and not just a pack of Jihadis with AKs?

9 posted on 03/04/2013 2:07:29 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: blam
Littoral Combat Ship=

Too Small to stand up to bigger ships, too large to be a deterrent to the smaller ones, yet still not big enough for long endurance missions.

U.S. Navy FAIL!!!


10 posted on 03/04/2013 2:08:06 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Sporke; Jeff Head; dfwgator; Travis McGee

I would like some more opinions


11 posted on 03/04/2013 2:08:36 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: RonInNaples

I see the vision of a virtual ship consisting of a redundant array of wide spread modules constructing a robust system.


12 posted on 03/04/2013 2:10:57 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Vendome

At a minimum, Thermodynamics requires heat rejection.


13 posted on 03/04/2013 2:12:49 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Then there is the whole poop deck issue.


14 posted on 03/04/2013 2:13:25 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

This is so sad . . .

These are some of the worst “combat” platforms ever made for the USN.

Fragile.

Hideously expensive.

Toothless.

“Littoral” which means stylish and trendy.

Worthless against any modern naval or air power.

Worthless when operating with a carrier group.

Worthless when operating with an amphibious group.

When the true history of these toy boats is revealed there will be graft, corruption, malfeasance, and idiocy discovered.

A total waste of American money. Which also serves to help further emasculate our navy.


15 posted on 03/04/2013 2:17:03 PM PST by Jonathan
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To: Vendome
"BTW, why is there always water pouring out of ports on boats?"

Mostly, that's cooling water.

Ships are not allowed to discharge any waste, even water, anywhere near a port. See here.
Here's the largest fine from that list:

$18 million ($9 million fine and $9 million in court-ordered community service to fund environmental projects in South Florida)

16 posted on 03/04/2013 2:18:42 PM PST by blam
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To: Jonathan

What dictionary are you using?

Of or on a shore, especially a seashore: a littoral property; the littoral biogeographic zone.
n.
1. A coastal region; a shore.
2. The region or zone between the limits of high and low tides.


17 posted on 03/04/2013 2:18:45 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nascarnation

Means landing craft to me.


18 posted on 03/04/2013 2:21:37 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: blam

19 posted on 03/04/2013 2:22:29 PM PST by blam
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To: Vendome

auxiliary cooling water systems


20 posted on 03/04/2013 2:29:08 PM PST by brivette
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To: blam

The ship(the whole class) is a HUGE boondoggle, it has major design issues and very bad electrolysis problems. What’s more, it doesn’t even carry an engineering crew capable of even minor repairs. The Navy doesn’t want to admit it bought a lemon


21 posted on 03/04/2013 2:33:38 PM PST by orlop9
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To: Sporke

this thing is a waste of money, especially if it’s suppose to go inshore (which is what littoral means). it wouldn’t survive one kamikaze attack like the DDs off okinawa.


22 posted on 03/04/2013 2:35:38 PM PST by bravo whiskey (“People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.”)
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To: doorgunner69

“Dunno just what “combat” this LCS is capable of.”

I’m thinking sailing up the rivers of the US, deploying troops to put down the coming revolution.


23 posted on 03/04/2013 2:42:56 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Got a problem? Nothing a drone strike can't fix.)
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To: blam; brivette; Paladin

Freepers is the smawtest peoples and the most knowledgablest on the planet.

Wire at the Hotel...


24 posted on 03/04/2013 2:44:36 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: blam

It looks nothing like the Independence I was stationed on.


25 posted on 03/04/2013 2:46:10 PM PST by donhunt (Certified and proud "Son of a Bitch".)
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To: Jonathan
I confess when I saw the words "next generation warship" I thought Zumwalt class, not LCS.
26 posted on 03/04/2013 2:46:56 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: blam

Admirals Yacht....


27 posted on 03/04/2013 2:47:55 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Vendome

having served on board a nuclear submarine for a number of years....


28 posted on 03/04/2013 2:52:52 PM PST by brivette
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To: hosepipe
Admirals Yacht....

It's even got a garage to park the limos!

29 posted on 03/04/2013 2:55:20 PM PST by EternalVigilance (selfgovernment@gmail.com)
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To: blam

The danger to this ship is skimmer missiles, the aluminum hull crushes like a beer can instead of a soup can. The robotic fly and swim toys are nothing but highly expensive bells and whistles. Not going to do much good to launch a drone if there is no place to land it when it runs out of fuel.

More stupidity by the Goobermint, put these government political designers on these boats and they will end up armored like the cars they drive. But when its only sailors, then heck, build them out of aluminum.

I suggest putting a deposit on them like a soda can for recycling, cause your going to need to.


30 posted on 03/04/2013 2:57:52 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Vendome
Cooling water for equipment. Nothing to worry about.
31 posted on 03/04/2013 3:02:47 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: blam

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/littoral/

Better get used to seeing these since it looks like the Navy has already ordered a dozen and plans on 50+. The project history is interesting to say the least.


32 posted on 03/04/2013 3:12:50 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: orlop9
...and very bad electrolysis problems.

Nothing worse than a hairy warship.

33 posted on 03/04/2013 3:22:02 PM PST by 0.E.O
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To: Oztrich Boy

Build 25 Zumwalts.

Load them with nuclear tipped cruise missles and nuclear ASW.

Put in the directed energy weapons that they are wired for.

Sea control - guaranteed.

50 Littoral Casualty Ships?

Unusable. No value against the Chicoms.


34 posted on 03/04/2013 4:53:44 PM PST by Jonathan
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To: 0.E.O

If you had ANY idea how much the corrosion problems on this platform have already cost us taxpayers, you wouldn’t be laughing about it


35 posted on 03/04/2013 5:55:50 PM PST by orlop9
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To: blam

What it actually needs are some much, much better anti-surface missiles (ASMs) with range enough to defeat the other littoral corvette sized ships it is apt to face who will be carrying between four and eitght such missiles themselves.

In the atni-surface role and mission pack, the NLOS missile (whose range was shorter than our adversaries) has been cancelled and now they are making due with the Griffin missile that have less than a ten mile range.

Either they should bolt tywo dual or quad cannister Harpoon launchers to these vessels, or supply them with a 16 cell Mk-41 VLS, which they are both designed to carry, and put at least eight of the new ASM Tiomoahwks in there with the rest being ESSM anti-air missiles.

That is where these ships are the weakest, and while the things DARPA is proposing are neat...they will not save it in an engagement with another modern corvette sized vessel in the littoral spaces.


36 posted on 03/07/2013 10:57:04 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: RonInNaples

Right now the various modules aren’t even in existence, let alone available and able to be swapped out in any of time frame.

The whole Little Crappy Ship program is a overpriced disaster.


37 posted on 03/14/2013 9:33:41 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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