Posted on 02/27/2013 11:29:39 AM PST by Sub-Driver
God was willing to save Sodom & Gomorrah for only 10 righteous souls. We have millions of righteous, born again souls in America who do fight & pray & contribute & vote & participate. But we lose all the battles and in the end, the victory will be the Lord's. We are in the end times as described in II Tim 3, and Matt 24, and it will only get worse & worse. I just wish & pray that God would honor the faithfulness of those who are fighting the good fight.
You and your jug eared boss should not be dicktating to anyone at all.
That is because that is where the fault for losing our culture lies. Liberty as bequeathed to us from our patriarchs, IS, a Biblical/Christian construct. It was only able to be maintained BY a vibrant Christian faith in the country that would safeguard it.
We are in the mess we are in because WE Christians FAILED to uphold the culture and fight for it when it mattered. Not even to preserve God's Commandments was the wholesale church willing to stand - so don't try and tell me that I need to stop blaming Christians for where we have arrived.
God was willing to save Sodom & Gomorrah for only 10 righteous souls. We have millions of righteous, born again souls in America who do fight & pray & contribute & vote & participate.
Again, you mis-apply scripture. Sodom and Gomorrah were NOT cities of God's people, called by His Name. You would do better to look at the example of Ancient Israel - who WAS a nation called by His Name.
Once Israel became as we have become today - God sent Prophets to warn the people of coming destruction unless they repented and returned. Time and again Israel refused, becoming more corrupt than the Canaanite nations around her. And when the cup of iniquity was full - the ENTIRE NATION was destroyed and the remnant taken into slavery. The prophets and the righteous right along with the wicked.
The reason for that? God held them ALL LIABLE for upholding righteousness in the land. The fruits of our culture CONDEMN we Christians for our failure to keep the Commandments and walk in His way, and to demand and teach the rest of the nation do also.
Of course ancient Israel hated that message from prophets like Jeremiah same as you do. In fact, they stoned him to death - as well as every other prophet God sent to warn them of their sin and harbinger of judgment.
We are in the end times as described in II Tim 3, and Matt 24, and it will only get worse & worse. I just wish & pray that God would honor the faithfulness of those who are fighting the good fight.
Our reward is not physical, neither is He going to bless a nation that He is judging. Proverbs tells us plainly that God will LAUGH AT US in the day of our calamity, because we as a whole people refused to hear. After 9-11, we have no excuse before the Father for our deep slide into wickedness, until we are now become fully leavened with sin, and call righteousness evil.
It is an unpleasant truth - but it is the truth nonetheless. Too bad most refuse to hear it, and will stop up their ears and get angry at those whom are pointing out the truth.
Israel killed all those whom God sent to warn them, and those prophets were their own countrymen trying to save them from judgment and consequence. Will America repeat that same precedent?
I believe it will, and worse. Of course Matthew 24 lays that all out for us. For the Remnant will be dragged before the synagogues (churches) and charged - and turned over to be killed - thinking they do God service.
As perverted a nation as we have become, that horror is not as distant a possibility any longer. How many "christian churches" now openly celebrate homosexuality and perform homosexual marriages? Watch their militancy rise as morality is redefined IN THE CHURCH to match the culture.
No - Christians are to blame for all this. Liberty was in our bosom to preserve, and as DeToqueville wrote - liberty existed in America because of our churches and a vibrant Christian life that was imbued in our culture. He wrote: "When America ceases to be good, she will cease to be great". Here we are.
Well than fix it yourself instead of railing against & blaming other Christians who are doing what they are able to do. You keep on railing against Christians. Why don’t you stand up and change the corrupt, satanic laws & court proceedings passed by an arrogant, impervious oligarchy of tyrants. These blackrobed tyrants could care less what you or I think, or whether we stand on courthouse steps. That won’t change their atrocious rulings by one iota. Everytime we score any victory, legislative or at the ballot box, it is likely to be overturned by atheistic, arrogant, prideful satanic judges. We could have used some Divine help & intervention along the way, to at lease give us a smidgeon of encouragement. The next step will be either the way of the gun or the Rapture.
Fine, I am sure Mecca will be glad to dictate to the world.
(And we pay these brain trusts why?)
Then fire Bammy.
Thanks for making my entire point and indictment of American Churchianity. No shred of repentance or willingness to put the blame where it belongs.
What is about to unfold upon us in this country - is WELL deserved - and there is no excuse any Christian can levy to absolve themselves for the consequences of judgment this nation has sown for itself.
So far you haven't mentioned any of these things you've done yourself. You offer up nothing tangible that you have done, to reverse any of these atrocious laws or court edicts.
You demonstrated again, that you have no reading comprehension skills whatsoever.
As a Christian I am as much to blame for the loss of our culture as every other Christian.
The difference is, when I became aware of my sin, I repented of it instead of justifying it and absolving myself of it and the consequences I was a contributor to.
Since that time, I have been trying to help the church see where it has sinned and understand our responsibility in where we have arrived.
Sadly - most Christians are exactly as you are - indignant and angry that anyone would dare point out a sin they demand is not theirs to repent of.
What is coming, has been sown over many decades of Christian indifference, apathy, sin and compromise with evil.
The pain this nation is going to feel, will have been rightly earned - and those that pay lip service to Christ - are going to be in for a very rude awakening. They will become disillusioned with the faith - and many will fall away and become angry at God.
In fact - it is already happening, and your posts hint at that disillusionment.
Of course Jesus Himself warned us this would happen. The church in America merely chooses a gospel about health, wealth and prosperity rather than the actual Gospel of persecution, suffering and service Jesus Himself said His followers would suffer for His Name’s sake.
As to what I’ve done, you are witnessing part of that now - attempting to get the church and Christians to recognize their collective and individual sins for the mess this culture and nation are in; I speak and encourage churches to blow the dust off their abandoned foreign mission programs, and urge them to DO Matthew 28:19-20 and get their members to do that task.
I serve brethren in third world hellholes who are busy doing Matthew 28:19-20 for people who never heard of Jesus Christ, and Iived with them in their slums last year assisting them in that task.
To reverse the course of tyranny and genocide this nation is on - repentance has to come first, from the church first, and then the people.
But most self-professing Christians are just like you - angry and indignant of this remedy. So if II Chronicles 7: 13&14 are refused and ignored - then mass pain, misery, death, destruction and enslavement of the remnant is our future.
I am a born again Christian, but I don't put myself on a pedastal and accuse other Christians of doing nothing or not doing enough, such as what you are accusing Christians of.
Who died & appointed you the arbitrator & sole judge of worthy effort in this ongoing battle to reclaim America? You're doing your efforts, I'm doing my efforts and other Christians are doing their efforts. You speak with a pompous, arrogant, prideful self righteous, Pharisee attitude when you condemn other Christians for their efforts while holding up your efforts as the supreme & only meaningful effort.
Enough said.... you & me have belabored this thread long enough! It is long past the point of any meaningful dialogue at this time.
Your own replies demonstrate you have no reading comprehension of what I've written. You are out of your mind that I would suggest Christians are responsible for the loss of our culture and the subsequent political tyranny we are now subject to.
Well, too bad. That's the truth. I cannot help that you cannot handle the truth.
Deal with it.
Or not.
I am a born again Christian, but I don't put myself on a pedastal and accuse other Christians of doing nothing or not doing enough, such as what you are accusing Christians of.
You are like arguing with a militant pro-choice abortionist who is offended and goes berserk that a Christian would dare accuse them of supporting murder. They scream red-faced that we dare not judge them for supporting abortion because they go to church on Sunday.
They don't like to hear the truth either.
This collapsed culture IS A TESTAMENT of the failure of Christians in America to uphold and preserve the culture. You can try and spin that however you like - but the fruits are self-evident and the Founders' warnings - unheeded and ignored.
Now people like you are telling people like me who are calling for the church to repent - to stop because you assert Christians have no culpability in where we have arrived.
Who died & appointed you the arbitrator & sole judge of worthy effort in this ongoing battle to reclaim America?
It's a thankless job - but since few are doing it, I guess God fired up my passion and got me involved in proclaiming what I am. That my words are angering you is your own conscience being seared. If not - you are simply hardening your heart to a truth you do not want to hear.
You speak with a pompous, arrogant, prideful self righteous, Pharisee attitude when you condemn other Christians for their efforts while holding up your efforts as the supreme & only meaningful effort.
Yes, you are just like arguing with a liberal. YOU ASKED ME WHAT I WAS DOING ABOUT OUR CURRENT STATE. You did so for the purpose of attempting to suggest I was doing nothing. Now that I told you what I have been doing, YOU are now offended and have declared me pompous, arrogant and a Pharisee for stating the plain truth - that YOU do not want to hear.
When you see the woe, pain, misery and death about to be unleashed upon this nation because of the tyrants now in power - it will be the judgment that we are due BECAUSE Christians in America have failed to do that which the Founders who knew the scriptures admonished the church to do.
What was instructive - was your anger at God for not sending some kind of divine deliverance from the very consequences the church in America have helped to sow in the collapse of the culture.
The church by and large, sat on it's hands while God was being ejected from the culture. And when a people refuse to be governed by God, they will be ruled by tyrants.
You can argue that fact 'til you are blue in the face.
Judgment begins at the House of God, if you understood the scriptures you would understand that fact and why the call for the Christian church to repent of it's lukewarm saltlessness is imperative if we want any hope of stopping what is about to happen to us.
But you don't want to hear it. And neither do most churches.
Exactly as scripture prophesies and lays out for us
Because I have called and you refused, I have stretched out my hand and no one regarded, Because you disdained all my counsel, And would have none of my rebuke,
I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your terror comes,
When your terror comes like a storm, And your destruction comes like a whirlwind, When distress and anguish come upon you.
“Then they will call on me, but I will not answer; They will seek me diligently, but they will not find me.
Because they hated knowledge And did not choose the fear of the Lord, They would have none of my counsel And despised my every rebuke.
Therefore they shall eat the fruit of their own way, And be filled to the full with their own fancies. For the turning away of the simple will slay them, And the complacency of fools will destroy them
-Proverbs 1:24-32
You really have crossed the line of being a complete pompous jerk and self-righteous bore. Apparently your approach is not very effective either or you would have rolled back some of the anti-Christian & anti-American abuses being committed by legislatures or activist judges. Railing at other Christians is not getting the job done either. So now we’ve both got our shots in, let’s call it quits. I don’t agree with your approach and you don’t agree with mine. Enough said....it’s pointless to keep arguing like this in vain repetitions.
Of course I’ve ‘crossed your line’. You don’t want to hear it and made that clear a ways back on this thread. And not just of me - you made it clear you were sick and tired of Christians blaming Christians in America for this mess.
You might want to try and read Jeremiah.
What is interesting and also a virtual repeat of what you are angry at - is that Jeremiah was giving his nation a warning the they had sinned and had grown wicked also. His people did not want to hear his message either.
You accused me of being a failure in this message of repentance. Jeremiah started warning Israel when he was very young. He warned them for DECADES of impending judgment. His people refused to repent.
Was he a failure?
Ultimately the people he was sent to warn are truly the ones who failed - not Jeremiah. If the people are like you - they do not want to hear the warning - and they will get angry at those God inspires or sends to give them a warning before their nation is utterly destroyed.
Guess what happened to Jeremiah?
The very people who were pissed off this message, the people Jeremiah himself desperately wanted to save from God’s Righteous judgment - killed him.
Killed him because, like you - they thought those bringing a warning and laying the responsibility for where the nation had fallen, were pompous jerks too. So they killed him, as well as every other single messenger God ever sent to warn them of where they were going to end up.
That was one hell of an article. That is one hell of an article, they wrote about. Well, squeeze your boots, boys, hell is comin’...
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