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America must not "dictate" to world, new defense chief says
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Posted on 02/27/2013 11:29:39 AM PST by Sub-Driver

America must not "dictate" to world, new defense chief says

2:01pm EST

By Phil Stewart

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Decorated Vietnam veteran Chuck Hagel was sworn in as U.S. defense secretary on Wednesday after a bruising Senate confirmation battle, and promised to renew old U.S. alliances and forge new ones without attempting to "dictate" to the world.

Addressing Pentagon employees shortly after a small, closed-door swearing-in ceremony, Hagel spoke optimistically, if vaguely, about global challenges ahead and the importance of American leadership abroad.

"We can't dictate to the world. But we must engage the world. We must lead with our allies," Hagel said in what appeared to be unscripted remarks.

"No nation, as great as America is, can do any of this alone."

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bhodod; bhoforeignpolicy; cicobama; hagelsecdef; reprimandamerica; sefdefhagel
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1 posted on 02/27/2013 11:29:42 AM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

Can’t decide which one’s worse. hagel or leon pinata. Sorry state of affairs for our military.

Geaux Navy! (That’s cajun for Go Navy)


2 posted on 02/27/2013 11:32:29 AM PST by rktman (Live the oath you took or get out of office!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Chuck Mistake.


3 posted on 02/27/2013 11:32:39 AM PST by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Hagel, Brennan, Kerry.. We’re in for a MISERABLE four years, and we’ll surely not recover from the deconstruction of America. Stagnation and deterioration of America, both domestically and abroad, that is a certainty.


4 posted on 02/27/2013 11:32:39 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: Sub-Driver
Decorated Vietnam veteran

Har. These three words might as well be Hagel's first name from now on.

5 posted on 02/27/2013 11:35:14 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Sub-Driver

What allies?


6 posted on 02/27/2013 11:35:14 AM PST by dfwgator
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7 posted on 02/27/2013 11:37:26 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Sub-Driver

If we had a real press they would ask him to give examples of when America ever dictated to the world.


8 posted on 02/27/2013 11:38:13 AM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: Sub-Driver
America must not "dictate" to world, new defense chief says

America has done more & given more to the planet than ANY country in the history of the world!

GFY Hagel.

9 posted on 02/27/2013 11:42:08 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

You’re being an optimist.

As a realist, I will state that we are not going to survive the consequences of the next four years, indeed we have not even yet felt the effects of the last four.

Men, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin


10 posted on 02/27/2013 11:42:23 AM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Sub-Driver

we’ll let China, Russia and Iran do that


11 posted on 02/27/2013 11:45:16 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Sub-Driver

A good explanation of ‘anti-colonialism’ philosophy by Dinesh DSousa.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=CrsbR6-j-to&feature=endscreen


12 posted on 02/27/2013 11:48:24 AM PST by Track9 (hey Kalid.. kalid.. bang you're dead)
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To: Sub-Driver

Talk softly and carry an itty-bitty stick.


13 posted on 02/27/2013 11:49:00 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia (Truth/Lies; Liberty/Tyranny--WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE??)
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To: Sub-Driver

Chucky baby, go suck a tailpipe.

While the car is running.


14 posted on 02/27/2013 11:49:20 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Sub-Driver

Well that didn’t take long...


15 posted on 02/27/2013 11:50:52 AM PST by grobdriver (Vivere liberi aut mori)
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To: Sub-Driver

BendOverHagel is ready for dicktation from the Muslim Brotherhood.


16 posted on 02/27/2013 11:59:49 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: Sub-Driver

We now have Foster Brooks and the new Sec. Def.


17 posted on 02/27/2013 12:00:35 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: INVAR
You’re being an optimist.

As a realist, I will state that we are not going to survive the consequences of the next four years, indeed we have not even yet felt the effects of the last four.

Men, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin

If we can't survive, then God will intervene to save us.

After all, the single liberal cry is "who's gonnna stop me?"

I think it's about damn time that question got answered once and for all, and if it means the wrath of God descending from the sky, then let's do it.

18 posted on 02/27/2013 12:03:55 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Everybody upChuck!


19 posted on 02/27/2013 12:16:53 PM PST by 444Flyer (Obama killed the Twinkie, but not the Terrorists in Benghazi. What's wrong with this picture?)
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To: grobdriver
So it begins...

"Kiss the ring underling."

20 posted on 02/27/2013 12:25:00 PM PST by 444Flyer (Obama killed the Twinkie, but not the Terrorists in Benghazi. What's wrong with this picture?)
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To: Sub-Driver

21 posted on 02/27/2013 12:41:34 PM PST by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: Sub-Driver

And that punk Obama needs to stop dictating to me.


22 posted on 02/27/2013 1:18:06 PM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: Sub-Driver

What he is saying is that American shouldn’t be the leader of the free world, because it would be unfair.


23 posted on 02/27/2013 1:56:26 PM PST by falcon99
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To: Sub-Driver
Chuck Hagel was sworn in as U.S. defense secretary of Peace & Warm Hugs and announced all our military will no longer be armed as their mission abroad will be to serve meals on wheels to all our former opponents.
24 posted on 02/27/2013 2:28:55 PM PST by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: Talisker
If we can't survive, then God will intervene to save us.

Why should He save us? Christians sat on their hands save five thousand of us who stood on His Foundations when they took the Commandments out of the public square and subsequently tossed The Father and Christ from the culture.

There is no example in scripture of God 'saving' a people deserving judgment who refuse to repent. The prophets and watchmen suffered right along with the rest of their nation when Israel was destroyed and taken into captivity. Why should we be any different? Every single Apostle was martyred except John, who died in prison on Patmos.

Americans bought into a false gospel of health/wealth/prosperity preaching.

Which makes me wonder how few are going to hold onto their faith when everything we have known our whole lives, and what they built their religion on, is crushed and annihilated?

We suffer Obama and the MarxoFascists because we have sinned as a whole people and abandoned God and His Ways, or at minimum, sat on our hands while the wolves came into the flock and led us all astray.

There is writing on the wall, and the righteous will suffer right along with the unrighteous.

25 posted on 02/27/2013 2:54:29 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Sub-Driver

I don’t care a lick about America dictating to the world. I do care about the world dictating to the United States. But what is this administration doing about the masses who have invaded this country illegally? Let them go. And let them take taxpayer monies via public schools and many other ways.


26 posted on 02/27/2013 2:59:45 PM PST by petitfour
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To: Sub-Driver

What he’s saying is we won’t interfere with the muslims when they attack Israel. I’d say Israel has one chance. And that is to hit first.


27 posted on 02/27/2013 5:55:47 PM PST by Terry Mross (How long before America is gone?)
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To: rktman

But when any turd world encounters a Tsunami who do they expect to bail out the water? Unk Sammy. When we suffer who helps us? No one, not even our own libs. Go see New York.


28 posted on 02/27/2013 5:56:17 PM PST by chooseascreennamepat (Have you thought about going vegan, Karl?)
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To: INVAR

When I read your post I think of millions of people in a lake of fire screaming for help.


29 posted on 02/27/2013 6:00:40 PM PST by Terry Mross (How long before America is gone?)
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To: chooseascreennamepat

“When we suffer who helps us? No one, not even our own libs. Go see New York.”

And then there is Horse Face Kerrey. You can count on him to tell it like it ain’t. He disgusts me.


30 posted on 02/27/2013 6:11:17 PM PST by chooseascreennamepat (Have you thought about going vegan, Karl?)
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To: chooseascreennamepat

“When we suffer who helps us? No one, not even our own libs. Go see New York.”

And then there is Horse Face Kerrey. You can count on him to tell it like it ain’t. He disgusts me.


31 posted on 02/27/2013 6:11:17 PM PST by chooseascreennamepat (Have you thought about going vegan, Karl?)
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To: falcon99

And, of course, we are always fair.


32 posted on 02/27/2013 6:27:54 PM PST by chooseascreennamepat (It only takes one to start hostilities. It takes two to agree to end them.)
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To: INVAR

My 28 year daughter says God should smite us. I agree.


33 posted on 02/27/2013 6:39:36 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: RicocheT

He’ll stay drunk for the next 3 and half years while this man does the job. Hagel will sign his name to screw Israel, and appease Iran. He’s too damn stupid to actually do anything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Deputy_Secretary_of_Defense


34 posted on 02/27/2013 7:37:28 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: chooseascreennamepat

Roger that! Now let’s send some humanitarian aid to the syrian islamists so they can live to kill us later. Good move there hussein.


35 posted on 02/27/2013 8:10:06 PM PST by rktman (Live the oath you took or get out of office!)
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To: Terry Mross
When I read your post I think of millions of people in a lake of fire screaming for help.

Hear, O earth! Behold, I will certainly bring calamity on this people— The fruit of their thoughts, Because they have not heeded My words Nor My law, but rejected it. - Jeremiah 6:19

Because I have called and you refused, I have stretched out my hand and no one regarded,

Because you disdained all my counsel, And would have none of my rebuke,

I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your terror comes,

When your terror comes like a storm, And your destruction comes like a whirlwind,

When distress and anguish come upon you.

“Then they will call on me, but I will not answer; They will seek me diligently, but they will not find me.

Because they hated knowledgeAnd did not choose the fear of the Lord,

They would have none of my counsel And despised my every rebuke.

Therefore they shall eat the fruit of their own way, And be filled to the full with their own fancies. Proverbs 1:24-31

"The people in America have now the best opportunity, and the greatest trust, in their hands, that Providence ever committed to so small a number, since the transgression of [Adam & Eve]: if they betray their trust, their guilt will merit even greater punishment than other nations have suffered, and the indignation of heaven". John Adams Grosvenor Square, January 1, 1787

36 posted on 02/27/2013 8:27:50 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR
Why should He save us? Christians sat on their hands save five thousand of us who stood on His Foundations when they took the Commandments out of the public square and subsequently tossed The Father and Christ from the culture.

Why do Christians always blame other Christians (and I am referring to Biblical, born again Christians in both instances) for the mess we are in? I am sick of it.

Why didn't you 5,000 change this, just as Elisha stood alone against 600 prophets of Baal? Why weren't you successful in overturning & changing this through whatever you were referring to?

Quit blaming other Christians! There are millions of Christians standing "on His Foundations" and we are getting trounced in every single legislative battle or court battles for the few times that we win in the legislative battles. You're not the only ones standing. I vote, I call, I contribute, I pray... and we're still losing. What more are you doing above other born again, conservative, fundamental & evangelical Christians?

I don't want to sound blasphemous, but in all honesty God is rewarding evil doers such as 0bama & the leftists in unbelieveable ways, both financially & in taking more & more power.

What is it that you recommend that Christians should do to retake & restore our country? We lose most of the legislative battle or court battle that occur. What do you think Christians can or should have done to conclusively reverse the Supreme Court decisions to remove prayer from public schools in 1962, or Roe vs Wade in 1973, or state & federal courts ruling in favor of gay marriage, and a host of other evil satanic court rulings?

I don't understand how God was willing to spare Sodom & Gomorrah for only 10 righteous souls, and yet allowed America to be duped & stolen by 0bama, both in 2008 and in 2012. There were millions of born again evangelical Christians praying, working & contributing in the last election, and instead we got shellacked by the most evil president & socialist demoRAT party in American history.

When conservatives or Repubs such as Gov Scott Walker (WI) along with WI Senate & Assembly Repubs do win the elections, then liberal socialist judges overturn nearly everything that Scott Walker & the WI Repubs have passed over the past 2 years.

The only recourse I see is CW II (or hopefully the Rapture), because we are not winning the battles in legislatures or presidential elections or especially in courts ruling against every conservative or Biblical position, AND we don't seem to be receiving any divine intervention either. We are in Isaiah 5:20 "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter"

But quit blaming Christians! We need some Divine help & intervention against the Satanic forces running rampant in government, courts & local districts. In my own church I have heard II Chron 7:14 quoted a thousand times every year, as if that individual is the only one praying and no one else is. Basically they are blaming other Christians and offer up NOTHING to counter the downward devastation of our country.

From now on, I publicly challenge anyone who blames Christians for the mess we're in and say "What is it that you specifically did to fight & overturn some piece of horrible legislation or court ruling?"

We need either CW II or the Rapture to occur, whichever one comes first.

37 posted on 02/27/2013 9:24:10 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: Sub-Driver; Fred Nerks

IOf the USA does not dictate to the world ( the message of freedom), then we must move over. Russia and China will dictate.

Chuck Hagel is a screaming idiot, a place holder for Obama, and Hagel’s main duty will be to fall on his sword when Obama says.

America is no longer a world power.


38 posted on 02/27/2013 9:36:52 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: b4its2late

A new era of US isolationism is about to begin. Viva CHUCK ( you fu_k)


39 posted on 02/27/2013 9:38:16 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: rcrngroup
Why do Christians always blame other Christians (and I am referring to Biblical, born again Christians in both instances) for the mess we are in? I am sick of it.

Too Bad. Truth hurts. A II Timothy 3 Generation only wants to hear smooth and easy things.

If you had read the Founders and understood them, you would understand WHY Christians are to blame for losing this culture. Liberty was strictly placed in the bosom of Christianity to uphold and guard - because it's constructs were rooted in the adherence to the Faith and the Commandments. I'm sorry for you that you are too blind to see and understand that.

Why didn't you 5,000 change this, just as Elisha stood alone against 600 prophets of Baal? Why weren't you successful in overturning & changing this through whatever you were referring to?

Biblical misapplication on your part. A remnant is never enough to spare a nation God has given over to judgment. When the cup of iniquity is full, even the servants of God go into captivity. Read your bible, and understand it.

Quit blaming other Christians! There are millions of Christians standing "on His Foundations"

The fruits of our current culture condemn Christians according to the Founders and the bible itself. The church no longer influences the culture - instead the culture influences the church - because MOST exist to please itching ears and fill donation plates for the new building fund.

What more are you doing above other born again, conservative, fundamental & evangelical Christians?

Matthew 28:19&20 in places the Name of Christ has not yet even been heard. The church in America by and large no longer engages in that kind of mission work. The engage in the social gospel, good works - but without insisting on the life changing relationship a people need to have in Christ.

I don't want to sound blasphemous, but in all honesty God is rewarding evil doers such as 0bama & the leftists in unbelieveable ways, both financially & in taking more & more power.

Yes, it's called Judgment. Something our Founders understood in the years before the Revolution. They understood a people suffering the tyranny of evil rulers, was due to a wayward church that had sinned. The Great Awakening and the First Revival were preached, and a nation repented until it was ready to suffer and be given it's breath of freedom.

What is it that you recommend that Christians should do to retake & restore our country?

II Chronicles 7:13 & 14 needs to be preached every week until the church repents and can be a tool towards preaching the same to a sinful nation - WITHOUT ANY COMPROMISE WITH THE SECULAR HEDONISTS.

Persecution will come as a result, and few to none are willing to risk that, much less lose their 501C3 status.

What do you think Christians can or should have done to conclusively reverse the Supreme Court decisions to remove prayer from public schools in 1962, or Roe vs Wade in 1973, or state & federal courts ruling in favor of gay marriage, and a host of other evil satanic court rulings?

Christians in America bought the Satanic lie that it was the worst of sins to judge sin. In adopting the twist of truth that we must 'hate the sin and not the sinner', the secular Left then asserted that the sin defines the sinner, and therefore it is a sin to judge their sin, because the sin is who they are.

What should we have done? The Founders went to war over various tax acts against them. The final straw was the belief in the Colonies that the Brits would force all Christians into the Church of England of whom the king was pope -, and thus stamp out the fires of Independence. The cry of "No King but Jesus!' was the rallying cry for Independence.

There were things a staunch and religious people should have stood to fight for, even to the point of arms. But Righteousness is not one of those things, because as you yourself have said - even the church has bought into the pronouncements of denouncing good as evil and celebrate evil as good.

Americans today seem only willing to fight for abortion rights, beer, cable TV at low prices, welfare handouts and "environmental justice".

I don't understand how God was willing to spare Sodom & Gomorrah for only 10 righteous souls, and yet allowed America to be duped & stolen by 0bama, both in 2008 and in 2012. There were millions of born again evangelical Christians praying, working & contributing in the last election, and instead we got shellacked by the most evil president & socialist demoRAT party in American history.

That is because you refuse to understand or accept that II Timothy 3:5 describes the Christian Church in America. We are become lukewarm at best - and scripture tells us we will be spit out of His mouth - because we are neither hot nor cold (Revelation 3:16-17)

But quit blaming Christians!

NO I WILL NOT. Judgment begins at the house of God and repentance is absolutely necessary if we are to survive as a people. Perhaps you need to stop making excuses to absolve us of our complicity and sins in the loss of our culture. If we taught morality and the proper role of marriage to our kids - abortion would have little use or need. We would have stopped (by force if necessary) the insistence on teaching sin in our schools and making a Godly way of life more important than seeking pleasure for a season.

You need to face an historical and biblical fact. Many wrote the the civil war was the price God exacted of us as a nation for slavery. I believe that is true. If God would allow a bloodbath to pay the price for our sins of slavery - what do you think God is going to exact from America in blood, the extermination of an entire generation of Americans in the womb???

Our nation has been given over to strong delusion (II Thessalonians 2:11). That's a prophecy being fulfilled right before your eyes - but instead you join the chorus of those condemning those who are pointing out the sins of the church and this people - that enabled tyrants to be put in power.

I know it sounds too simple, but it is in fact, the simple truth.

From now on, I publicly challenge anyone who blames Christians for the mess we're in and say "What is it that you specifically did to fight & overturn some piece of horrible legislation or court ruling?"

I was on court steps trying to keep God's Commandments in them. I tried to rally churches to that cause - and few to none would show up for rallies. Few churches would return e-mails or phone calls.

Even now, churches are not interested in hearing testimony or getting involved in foreign mission work outside of whatever they send to prescribed social works. Most churches I talk with, are interested only in the Osteenized version of Christianity and the rest have their doors and windows shut tight.

We need either CW II or the Rapture to occur, whichever one comes first.

We wil have what Jesus described in Matthew 24. The question is, will He find faith on the earth when He returns? I have my doubts the church in America will endure the kind of persecution our brothers and sisters in Christ endure daily in the third world.

But it is coming. Indeed, at the very door judging by the fruits of events.

40 posted on 02/27/2013 10:56:57 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Sub-Driver

41 posted on 02/27/2013 11:02:16 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: INVAR
I fully understand all the passages you are quoting, but in essence you keep accusing & blaming Christians. And you're no better. You & I & others & God are a majority in terms of the final outcome. The Biblical Christian church in America can certainly do more and should, but then again so can you. You are not the only one fighting the good fight. I do what I can and so do you. But I'm not going to blast other Christians, unless they fail to be involved at all.

God was willing to save Sodom & Gomorrah for only 10 righteous souls. We have millions of righteous, born again souls in America who do fight & pray & contribute & vote & participate. But we lose all the battles and in the end, the victory will be the Lord's. We are in the end times as described in II Tim 3, and Matt 24, and it will only get worse & worse. I just wish & pray that God would honor the faithfulness of those who are fighting the good fight.

42 posted on 02/28/2013 5:18:18 AM PST by rcrngroup
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To: Sub-Driver
Dear Chuck (Richard) Hagel:

You and your jug eared boss should not be dicktating to anyone at all.

43 posted on 02/28/2013 6:27:23 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: rcrngroup
I fully understand all the passages you are quoting, but in essence you keep accusing & blaming Christians.

That is because that is where the fault for losing our culture lies. Liberty as bequeathed to us from our patriarchs, IS, a Biblical/Christian construct. It was only able to be maintained BY a vibrant Christian faith in the country that would safeguard it.

We are in the mess we are in because WE Christians FAILED to uphold the culture and fight for it when it mattered. Not even to preserve God's Commandments was the wholesale church willing to stand - so don't try and tell me that I need to stop blaming Christians for where we have arrived.

God was willing to save Sodom & Gomorrah for only 10 righteous souls. We have millions of righteous, born again souls in America who do fight & pray & contribute & vote & participate.

Again, you mis-apply scripture. Sodom and Gomorrah were NOT cities of God's people, called by His Name. You would do better to look at the example of Ancient Israel - who WAS a nation called by His Name.

Once Israel became as we have become today - God sent Prophets to warn the people of coming destruction unless they repented and returned. Time and again Israel refused, becoming more corrupt than the Canaanite nations around her. And when the cup of iniquity was full - the ENTIRE NATION was destroyed and the remnant taken into slavery. The prophets and the righteous right along with the wicked.

The reason for that? God held them ALL LIABLE for upholding righteousness in the land. The fruits of our culture CONDEMN we Christians for our failure to keep the Commandments and walk in His way, and to demand and teach the rest of the nation do also.

Of course ancient Israel hated that message from prophets like Jeremiah same as you do. In fact, they stoned him to death - as well as every other prophet God sent to warn them of their sin and harbinger of judgment.

We are in the end times as described in II Tim 3, and Matt 24, and it will only get worse & worse. I just wish & pray that God would honor the faithfulness of those who are fighting the good fight.

Our reward is not physical, neither is He going to bless a nation that He is judging. Proverbs tells us plainly that God will LAUGH AT US in the day of our calamity, because we as a whole people refused to hear. After 9-11, we have no excuse before the Father for our deep slide into wickedness, until we are now become fully leavened with sin, and call righteousness evil.

It is an unpleasant truth - but it is the truth nonetheless. Too bad most refuse to hear it, and will stop up their ears and get angry at those whom are pointing out the truth.

Israel killed all those whom God sent to warn them, and those prophets were their own countrymen trying to save them from judgment and consequence. Will America repeat that same precedent?

I believe it will, and worse. Of course Matthew 24 lays that all out for us. For the Remnant will be dragged before the synagogues (churches) and charged - and turned over to be killed - thinking they do God service.

As perverted a nation as we have become, that horror is not as distant a possibility any longer. How many "christian churches" now openly celebrate homosexuality and perform homosexual marriages? Watch their militancy rise as morality is redefined IN THE CHURCH to match the culture.

No - Christians are to blame for all this. Liberty was in our bosom to preserve, and as DeToqueville wrote - liberty existed in America because of our churches and a vibrant Christian life that was imbued in our culture. He wrote: "When America ceases to be good, she will cease to be great". Here we are.

44 posted on 02/28/2013 9:19:15 AM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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Well than fix it yourself instead of railing against & blaming other Christians who are doing what they are able to do. You keep on railing against Christians. Why don’t you stand up and change the corrupt, satanic laws & court proceedings passed by an arrogant, impervious oligarchy of tyrants. These blackrobed tyrants could care less what you or I think, or whether we stand on courthouse steps. That won’t change their atrocious rulings by one iota. Everytime we score any victory, legislative or at the ballot box, it is likely to be overturned by atheistic, arrogant, prideful satanic judges. We could have used some Divine help & intervention along the way, to at lease give us a smidgeon of encouragement. The next step will be either the way of the gun or the Rapture.


45 posted on 02/28/2013 12:37:41 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: Sub-Driver

Fine, I am sure Mecca will be glad to dictate to the world.

(And we pay these brain trusts why?)


46 posted on 03/01/2013 9:18:57 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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"America must not "dictate" to world"

Then fire Bammy.

47 posted on 03/02/2013 8:22:42 PM PST by Paladin2
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Well than fix it yourself instead of railing against & blaming other Christians who are doing what they are able to do.

Thanks for making my entire point and indictment of American Churchianity. No shred of repentance or willingness to put the blame where it belongs.

What is about to unfold upon us in this country - is WELL deserved - and there is no excuse any Christian can levy to absolve themselves for the consequences of judgment this nation has sown for itself.

48 posted on 03/03/2013 7:49:28 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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You're incredible! You blame everybody execpt for yourself! Outside of pointing your fingers at everyone else, it doesn't sound like you've done anything either. You point & blame, but you don't come up with any solutions either. I vote, I contribute, I call, I sign petitions, I show up at rallies, I pray, etc., etc.

So far you haven't mentioned any of these things you've done yourself. You offer up nothing tangible that you have done, to reverse any of these atrocious laws or court edicts.

49 posted on 03/04/2013 10:35:57 AM PST by rcrngroup
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You demonstrated again, that you have no reading comprehension skills whatsoever.

As a Christian I am as much to blame for the loss of our culture as every other Christian.

The difference is, when I became aware of my sin, I repented of it instead of justifying it and absolving myself of it and the consequences I was a contributor to.

Since that time, I have been trying to help the church see where it has sinned and understand our responsibility in where we have arrived.

Sadly - most Christians are exactly as you are - indignant and angry that anyone would dare point out a sin they demand is not theirs to repent of.

What is coming, has been sown over many decades of Christian indifference, apathy, sin and compromise with evil.

The pain this nation is going to feel, will have been rightly earned - and those that pay lip service to Christ - are going to be in for a very rude awakening. They will become disillusioned with the faith - and many will fall away and become angry at God.

In fact - it is already happening, and your posts hint at that disillusionment.

Of course Jesus Himself warned us this would happen. The church in America merely chooses a gospel about health, wealth and prosperity rather than the actual Gospel of persecution, suffering and service Jesus Himself said His followers would suffer for His Name’s sake.

As to what I’ve done, you are witnessing part of that now - attempting to get the church and Christians to recognize their collective and individual sins for the mess this culture and nation are in; I speak and encourage churches to blow the dust off their abandoned foreign mission programs, and urge them to DO Matthew 28:19-20 and get their members to do that task.

I serve brethren in third world hellholes who are busy doing Matthew 28:19-20 for people who never heard of Jesus Christ, and Iived with them in their slums last year assisting them in that task.

To reverse the course of tyranny and genocide this nation is on - repentance has to come first, from the church first, and then the people.

But most self-professing Christians are just like you - angry and indignant of this remedy. So if II Chronicles 7: 13&14 are refused and ignored - then mass pain, misery, death, destruction and enslavement of the remnant is our future.


50 posted on 03/04/2013 2:11:08 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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