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An Oscar for sneering at the British...
Daily Mail ^ | 26th February 2013 | Guy Walters

Posted on 02/26/2013 3:22:08 PM PST by the scotsman

'What does Hollywood have against the British? Once again on Oscar night, Tinsel Town gave warmly to us with one hand — while cynically taking away with the other.

The good news is that at least nine Britons will fly back across the Atlantic with coveted golden statues.

But the bad news is that Argo — the movie that won Best Film — is yet another piece of Hollywood’s Brit-bashing junk history that casts us in a poor light.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 02/26/2013 3:22:12 PM PST by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman

Brit anger at Ben’s Argo: UK diplomats deny movie ‘slur’ that they ‘turned away’ Iranian hostages as portrayed in Oscar winner

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2284631/Ben-Afflecks-Argo-UK-diplomats-deny-movie-slur-turned-away-Iranian-hostages.html#ixzz2M3Bp4qfJ


2 posted on 02/26/2013 3:23:08 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

Argo was a complete work of fiction.


3 posted on 02/26/2013 3:24:53 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: the scotsman

If it makes them feel any better, I’ve watched far more British television and movies than Hollywood’s garbage in the last year.


4 posted on 02/26/2013 3:25:04 PM PST by EricT. (The Second Amendment is Tyrant Control.)
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To: EricT.

I can’t even remember the last TV show I watched....I must admit, I enjoy watching the Mexican novelas that my wife likes to watch. They are actually very well done (and don’t tell my wife, but the women on them are hot!)


5 posted on 02/26/2013 3:27:40 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: EricT.

I’d be happy to recommend any British TV or film, past or present, adult-orientated or family friendly.


6 posted on 02/26/2013 3:29:08 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman
" . . . the Affleck version of the rescue mission, the six embassy staff were refused refuge by British diplomats."

Well, count yourself fortunate. In Benghazi, President 0bama actually let the embassy personnel be slaughtered.

7 posted on 02/26/2013 3:29:35 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: dfwgator

The article is a bit overblown I feel, but interesting enough to post imo.


8 posted on 02/26/2013 3:30:31 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

Good, now you can dislike Ben Affleck as much as we do.


9 posted on 02/26/2013 3:33:28 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: the scotsman

Maybe Afflict only wrote it that way so that he could suck up to Obama.


10 posted on 02/26/2013 3:33:28 PM PST by Max in Utah ("This is our land, mixed with our blood, strengthened with our bone. Ours!")
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To: the scotsman
I'll give them the point about U451(garbage) and Braveheart, but SPR? Cmon, it was a story about a squad in an American unit.

And the reason for Brit offense over Argo is pretty tenuous. Seems more like a matter of perspective than insult.

11 posted on 02/26/2013 3:34:14 PM PST by skeeter
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To: the scotsman
I find it interesting that some Brit is whining about getting sneered at in an American Movie. Ever watch British TV or Movies they are always taking digs at Americans in them.

Hell I can remember J.K Rawlings commenting on how when the director was chosen for the first Harry Potter movie that he was *GASP* an American (like it was a bad thing) even though he was reputed to be an excellent director.

12 posted on 02/26/2013 3:39:11 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: the scotsman

Hollywood slavishly follows Obama. And we all know how HE feels about Britain...


13 posted on 02/26/2013 4:04:27 PM PST by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: the scotsman
But the bad news is that Argo — the movie that won Best Film — is yet another piece of Hollywood’s Brit-bashing junk history that casts us in a poor light.'

Guess Guy hasn't noticed. Hollywood is all about bashing western culture, western history, western religion, western accomplishment, not just the Brits per se. But it often does it in turns. In this movie, yes, it is the Brits. In the next four or five, it'll be the Americans with the Germans (Nazis) sure to get their share of Hollywood's old thumb in the eye somewhere in there too. Basically, Hollywood's target is the white race. The big hoot is that Hollywood itself is the perfect example of what it hates most: white, rich, stupid, evil, immoral, despicable.

14 posted on 02/26/2013 4:09:11 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: skeeter

What pissed us off about SPR was the British were mentioned only to slag them off, the Monty comment. And btw, it was the Royal Navy that landed the US troops on that beach, as they did almost all allied troops: 79% of all ship son D Day were British (50% of all air cover).


15 posted on 02/26/2013 4:14:21 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: skeeter

The Canadians are the ones who should feel slighted by Argo.


16 posted on 02/26/2013 4:15:55 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Mad Dawgg

Most digs are comedic and not overly nasty. This is about real history, where distortion is much more serious.

BTW, Rowling had to fight tooth and nail not to have the Potter books made completely Americanised. All but the studio she went with wanted to make Potter American and relocate the books to the US.

She opposed the American director simply because she feared he might overly Americanise her story, NOT because he was American. You ignore the fact she lauded his directorship after the film was made.


17 posted on 02/26/2013 4:17:49 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

Monty was a controversial figure - and widely disliked - among Americans in Normandy during that period. The rest of what you say is true, but SPR wasn’t a documentary - it was a fictional account of a group of US rangers.


18 posted on 02/26/2013 4:19:46 PM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter

“I know I’m a prima donna. I admit it. What I can’t stand about Monty is, he won’t admit it.” - Patton


19 posted on 02/26/2013 4:20:54 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: the scotsman

>> This is about real history, where distortion is much more serious.

Agreed.


20 posted on 02/26/2013 4:28:49 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: the scotsman; dfwgator
I just finished Mendez' book, which is a fun read. The core story of flying out of Tehren with a film crew cover is correct, but just about all the details are made up for Hollywood effect.

That said, the Brit bashing wasn't all that bad IMHO. More offensive was minimizing the aid of the Canadians and their outstanding Ambassador. Their cooperation was very extensive. For example, under Canadian law a passport could only be issued to a non-citizen by Act of Parliament. Somehow they pulled that off and maintained secrecy.

The British Embassy was downtown and the scene of many demonstrations, making it obvious to all it was an unsuitable hiding place. The British residence was nice and the hospitality very nice, but it was right on a street and under constant surveillance by a komiteh, or revolutionary committee. The book implies they barely moved out in time.

21 posted on 02/26/2013 4:32:33 PM PST by colorado tanker
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What is this Ben Argo movie?

When I was still in high school, I saw a bad Spanish horror film at the Skyline Drive-In called "Superargo and the Faceless Giants"".

22 posted on 02/26/2013 4:35:59 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: dfwgator
Lol. Was that an actual quote Fm Patton or just the movie?

The Canadians are the ones who should feel slighted by Argo.

I'd be interested to know why you say this.

23 posted on 02/26/2013 4:37:20 PM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter

Because it completely slighted the Canadians’ role in the rescue, they were portrayed as bit players.

There was a movie that came out around 1981, called “The Canadian Caper” which I believe you could even watch on YouTube.


24 posted on 02/26/2013 4:39:50 PM PST by dfwgator
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Well, Ben could attack the British over Iran or he could attack Carter over Iran so he did what democrats do.


25 posted on 02/26/2013 4:43:26 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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Or how about the abysmal piece of faux-history that was Mel Gibson’s Braveheart, which depicted the British as the rapacious, murderous oppressors of the noble and romantic Scots?

Uhh, you're British and you don't even understand your own terminology?

Braveheart was about the oppression of the Scots by the English. There were no British at the time, since British refers to inhabitants of the UK. It incorporates English + Scots + Welsh into a conglomerate.

Although I must admit the history in Braveheart was astonishingly inaccurate, even for a movie. Not sure why they do that, the real history is fascinating.

Who can forget Saving Private Ryan, Steven Spielberg’s World War II epic, that effectively presented D-Day as an exclusively American effort?

Well, that's kind of silly. Omaha Beach was American, and I suspect most American soldiers in Normandy mostly ran into other American soldiers, just as most Canadians or Brits mostly had to do with each other. At least at the grunt level.

26 posted on 02/26/2013 4:47:11 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: dfwgator
The Canadians are the ones who should feel slighted by Argo.

For what reason? The Ambassador and his wife came off as very heroic for keeping our folks safe for so long.

We enjoyed the movie. I'm reading Tony Mendez's book right now, so I'll see how the movie deviates from the actual story.

27 posted on 02/26/2013 5:01:50 PM PST by SuziQ
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"NOT because he was American."

Nope sorry she is on film stating such. In fact I think its in one of the Films extras "making of Harry Potter etc." type video on the DVD where she states that even though he is an American... not that he was going to make the film Americanized but because he was an American.

28 posted on 02/26/2013 5:03:12 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: the scotsman
Nothing like a little ginned-up fake outrage to sell papers.

Remember U-571 — the U-boat thriller set in World War II — which saw the Yanks, and not the British and the Poles, capture an Enigma coding machine and turn the course of the war?

They'd have a point there if their own Enigma movie didn't go out of its way to make a Pole the villain without any historical basis.

Or how about the abysmal piece of faux-history that was Mel Gibson’s Braveheart, which depicted the British as the rapacious, murderous oppressors of the noble and romantic Scots?

And they'd have a better case there if they cited The Patriot.

Just be grateful Affleck didn't make the Brits the villains -- though if he had it might have helped make more British actors rich.

29 posted on 02/26/2013 5:07:03 PM PST by x
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To: Mad Dawgg

Your attempt to portray her as antiamerican isnt going to wash, sorry. I have seen such interviews as well (although I am NOT a ‘Potter-ite’).

When she says American, you see that as her showing disdain as a pompous Limey for he being an American. Full stop. But thats wrong. You arent understanding what she said.

What she actually meant by ‘American’ was American=Hollywood=Hollywood ruining her story. And I have seen her explain this in interview.

Rowling didnt and probably still dosent like Hollywood and the many base and stupid films/blockbusters they produce, and she had horror at the idea what they would do to her stories. Which is why she fought to keep the stories as they were.

She has gone on record as saying she didnt think Chris Columbus was at all the right choice, as he was known for rather silly films like Home Alone and its sequel or Nine Months. Very Hollywood, very American and very forumlaic.

She promptly admitted she was wrong after seeing the first film.

You are seeing her bashing America, when in fact all she was unhappy about was Hollywood.


30 posted on 02/26/2013 5:24:23 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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"You are seeing her bashing America, when in fact all she was unhappy about was Hollywood."

Sorry she didn't say Hollywood she said she didn't care who made the movie as long as it wasn't an American. Its right on the DVD.

She also claimed early on that she wouldn't write and American Character into the books because it was about British Children in a British School, except of course for the Bulgarian and French kids in book four.

31 posted on 02/26/2013 5:47:57 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Just did a little browsing on JK Rowling - her obvious contempt for this country is palpable.

Not that I give a rip what she thinks, my kids like her stories but I found them alternately creepy & boring.

32 posted on 02/26/2013 6:34:24 PM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter

The movie is pure fiction. Most of the work getting the Americans out was done by the Canadians; the CIA’s main contribution was the fake visas that had the wrong date printed on them.


33 posted on 02/26/2013 6:59:39 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: Squawk 8888

Tony Mendez is a liar?


34 posted on 02/26/2013 7:15:32 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Mad Dawgg

Uh-huh. Thats my point, you see her saying ‘American’ as a pejorative and snotty dislike of the US. When in fact she simply meant she didnt want an American to direct (and possibly ruin) her very British story. Its your interpretation she is anti-American. Its mine that you are reading far too much into ‘American’. You are reading it literally.

So what if she added foreign characters FOUR books down the line. Authors change their plans as they write.

Why arent you btw raging at Kurt Russell?. Who publicly stated that Scotsman Gerard Butler shouldnt play Snake Plissken in a remake of Escape from New York, because he is not American. Isnt he being xenophobic, bigoted and anti-Scottish/British/European?. Or is it OK when Americans do it?.


35 posted on 02/27/2013 7:56:41 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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Look she put those comments on the DVD. She didn't say a word about Hollywood.

Further she made those comments about Foreigners in the books saying the books were about British Children and then later introduces foreign students into the books yet no Americans. If she didn't want them in the books fine but her reason was it was about foreigners not being British Students. Well last I checked France nor Bulgaria are or were part of the British Commonwealth so apparently her reason for not including Americans in the book were because they weren't British were a "selective choice" at best.

And Snake Plissken with a British Accent won't cut it!

36 posted on 02/27/2013 8:40:02 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: the scotsman
Cough Steve Kloves Cough

American Screen writer, and did a hackneyed job of the movie scripts.

Now back to lurking

37 posted on 02/27/2013 9:40:22 AM PST by Maigrey (Life, for a liberal, is one never-ending game of Calvinball. - giotto)
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To: Mad Dawgg

And Harry Potter with an American accent wont cut it either.
You didnt actually answer my question, btw.


38 posted on 02/27/2013 12:33:57 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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"And Harry Potter with an American accent wont cut it either."

Uh huh that's nice and all BUT an American Actor playing Harry Potter was not the issue. Writing an American Character into the books was the issue but hey straw men are fun to skewer.

39 posted on 02/27/2013 2:31:05 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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