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Republicans Sign Brief in Support of Gay Marriage
New Yawk Slimes ^ | February 25, 2013 | By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG

Posted on 02/26/2013 6:49:01 AM PST by US Navy Vet

WASHINGTON — Dozens of prominent Republicans — including top advisers to former President George W. Bush, four former governors and two members of Congress — have signed a legal brief arguing that gay people have a constitutional right to marry, a position that amounts to a direct challenge to Speaker John A. Boehner and reflects the civil war in the party since the November election.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: bigamy; bush; civilunions; constitution; dozens; gaymarriage; gope; homosexualagenda; homosexualmarriage; marriage; polygamy; samesexmarriage
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1 posted on 02/26/2013 6:49:11 AM PST by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet

I keep saying... the entire Bush family are secret agents of the Democrats sent to destroy the Republican Party from within. Looks like they are succeeding.


2 posted on 02/26/2013 6:55:54 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: US Navy Vet
a position that amounts to a direct challenge to Speaker John A. Boehner

TWO house members is a direct challenge to Boehner? This list is a bunch of has-been alos-ran self-described Republicans already well-known for their trouble-making-ways and liberal views.

Among them are Meg Whitman, who supported Proposition 8 when she ran for California governor; Representatives Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida and Richard Hanna of New York; Stephen J. Hadley, a Bush national security adviser; Carlos Gutierrez, a commerce secretary to Mr. Bush; James B. Comey, a top Bush Justice Department official; David A. Stockman, President Ronald Reagan’s first budget director; and Deborah Pryce, a former member of the House Republican leadership from Ohio who is retired from Congress.

3 posted on 02/26/2013 6:57:15 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: US Navy Vet

For >3% of the population, the Nation willingly goes down the dumper to accommodate their perversions. It’s all but over.


4 posted on 02/26/2013 6:58:29 AM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s Are The 21st Century's Muskets. Free Men Need Not Ask Permission!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Sodomy-loving RINOs.

Has Karl Rove signed yet?


5 posted on 02/26/2013 6:59:29 AM PST by CedarDave (Marco Rubio takes a drink of water while the media swallows Obama's Kool-Aid)
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To: US Navy Vet
Why not focus on protecting actual Rights in the Constitution, like the Right to keep and bear arms (which shall not be infringed)?

What a concept that would be!

6 posted on 02/26/2013 6:59:44 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: US Navy Vet

The GOP is going the way of The Whigs.

No guts, no glory, no principle.

If I want a social democratic party, I’ll vote for the Democrats.

Quite frankly, who needs a degenerate GOP?


7 posted on 02/26/2013 7:01:50 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: US Navy Vet
Read the list—Meg Whitman? These are the same old recycled liberal Republicans who are "former" because they couldn't win elections. And this amicus was apparently too extreme for Laura Bush, and even Colin Powell, who didn't sign it.

Ted Olson is the only one of the group who I didn't think was a liberal until he took the case for the Prop 8 haters to begin with. Pray for him in his confusion.

It seems to me that if the Feds have the right to overturn state law on marriage, they have the right to overturn state law on anything.

8 posted on 02/26/2013 7:02:30 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: ElkGroveDan

None of them are conservatives.

And I was happy when the idiot Whitman lost to Jerry Brown! Conservatives in the GOP just don’t see reason to vote these days.


9 posted on 02/26/2013 7:04:29 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Selective NYT’s info...
Stockman was fired by Reagan as an incompetent fool....
The rest are just irrelevant has-beens....


10 posted on 02/26/2013 7:07:41 AM PST by matginzac
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To: US Navy Vet
The only surprise on the list (well, not really) is Meg Whitman. The rest of them are the Usual Suspects.

BTW, from now on I am going to disregard all future emanations from any politician that claims "my opinion has evolved." "My opinion has evolved" is weasel code for "I'm compromising my principles for money and power!" (or, just as likely, "I never agreed with you rednecks to begin with but I had to play along to get elected.")

11 posted on 02/26/2013 7:07:57 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: DTogo

“Why not focus on protecting actual Rights in the Constitution, like the Right to keep and bear arms (which shall not be infringed)?”

I agree. Conservative Americans are “off in all directions.” We lost two critical presidential elections, and we’re in panic mode. I’m going to lose some friends here, but I think we need to DEMAND support for our Constitution and advance from there AFTER we win the first crucial battle. The Second Amendment protects ALL the rest. Without the ability to resist tyranny, all the rest is moot. And, please don’t forget, the man this nation elected President has stated his wish to be emperor. If we keep dividing up to support all the items that are important to us, we’ll get none of them. First, we need to unite behind the Constitution and win back our Republic.


12 posted on 02/26/2013 7:11:03 AM PST by July4 (Remember the price paid for your freedom.)
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To: US Navy Vet

Sodomites are an abomination. Sodomite “marriage” is even worse, if that is possible.

There is a world of hurt coming on this nation and any nation that glorifies sin. Nations cannot be punished in the next life. They will be punished now by God’s incontrovertible truth.

The sodomite is radically “disorganized”. See Romans 1. He won’t be content with “marriage”. He will want payback in an extreme way against normal people, because the sodomites are “filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, MALICIOUSNESS, full of envy, MURDER, debate, DECEIT, MALIGNITY, whisperers, BACKBITERS, HATERS OF GOD, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, COVENANTBREAKERS, WITHOUT NATURAL AFFECTiON, implacable, UNMERCIFUL.” (Romans 1:29-31)

The worst is yet to come.


13 posted on 02/26/2013 7:11:14 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: Pining_4_TX
Yep, that's my working theory too.

Reagan was a freak occurrence for the eGOP and their opinions about and hold on political power and he really rocked their boat.

The Bush family has been working to "correct" Reagan's corrections ever since and put US back where Reagan had found us.

And so, here we are living the natural follow up extension of the Carter plan: the new world order's utopian obamanation as far as the eye can see.

Like the man said, "The Reagan revolution is over."

Almost, and all brought to us by the Bush family eGOP.

14 posted on 02/26/2013 7:11:50 AM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: US Navy Vet
Was that a typo in the headline?

Did they sign THE BRIEF or did they sign THEir BRIEFS?

15 posted on 02/26/2013 7:20:01 AM PST by Tupelo (Hunkered down & loading up)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Perhaps they all need to take a road trip to Dallas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzpJHIhH6Hc&feature=youtu.be


16 posted on 02/26/2013 7:28:50 AM PST by Maudeen (Proverbs 3:5-6)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Oh didn’t you bother to read everything? There also seems to be someone who advised Pres. Reagan mentioned in there too? Now does that make him a “secret agent of the Democrats sent to destroy the Republican Party from within.”? Not hardly! You need to read more thoroughly! tsk tsk...


17 posted on 02/26/2013 7:29:48 AM PST by dsutah
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To: US Navy Vet

to all who cannot or will not become friendly with the libertarians because it is said they support abortion, gay marriage, or whatever else...

the pubs are not even fighting abortion in fubocare, yet their platform is anti abortion..

the pubs are not even fighting gay marriage, yet their platform is pro traditional marriage...

the pubs are caving on immigration, yet their platform is against it...

beginning to see a pattern??
you are being lied to, and buying into it lock, stock and barrel...


18 posted on 02/26/2013 7:29:53 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: US Navy Vet

So are there any policy items now that are different between the republicans and democrats?


19 posted on 02/26/2013 7:34:28 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: US Navy Vet
“But the presence of so many well-known former officials — including Christine Todd Whitman, former governor of New Jersey..”

Not a surprise, nor the presence of so many Bush people.

This is just one more reason why we need a third political party or a Republican Party willing and able to PURGE itself of individuals who do NOT reflect the opinions of most of their constituency or the majority of Americans.

We are step by step demonstrating we are diverting our paths from that of the God who founded, nourished and protected us in years gone by. And that God is a jealous God who punishes the transgressor as well as rewards his followers.

I am disgusted at this abomination.

20 posted on 02/26/2013 7:37:45 AM PST by ZULU (See: http://gatesofvienna.net/)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Thanks for bringing a bit of sanity to this piece. NY Times never misses an opportunity to stir up trouble w/in the Repub party.


21 posted on 02/26/2013 7:40:46 AM PST by Girlene
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To: svcw

The only difference between reps & dems is the name.


22 posted on 02/26/2013 7:40:57 AM PST by certrtwngnut (')
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To: Maudeen

Great video. Thanks for sharing.


23 posted on 02/26/2013 7:44:18 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: dsutah

“Now does that make him a “secret agent of the Democrats sent to destroy the Republican Party from within.”

Could be! They are everywhere, you know.


24 posted on 02/26/2013 7:46:15 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: carriage_hill
Me thinks your ">" is pointing the wrong way.

Queers: "We are the 3.4%."

25 posted on 02/26/2013 8:04:24 AM PST by upchuck (nobama fact #69: For each job created by the nobama administration, 75 people went on food stamps.)
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To: nonsporting

I don`t think people understand what their feet are standing in.

The USA is the Beast System,

Revelation 13:4

” Who is like unto the beast? Who is able to make war with him? “

Want to go up against the Beast by yourself ?
You`ll get Wacoed or Ruby Ridged.

Want to try change the Beast politically?
It will subdue you and break your will.

Are you a foreign country and want to resist the influence of the Beast?
The pressure brought to bear with tacticts from bribing with billions of dollars to arming insurgents will break you.

My advice is simple:

Matt; 10:23

“But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another...”

Keep your head down. Don`t talk to strangers. Live in a relatively safe place.Mind your own business. Interact with the Beast System as little as possible.


26 posted on 02/26/2013 8:17:35 AM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: goldstategop

I see you didn’t notice the guy who was Budget Director to Pres. Reagan who is also listed there? Honestly, I’m not trying to bash Mr. Reagan; I’m only trying point out is that most of these people on the list, have been leaders in Congress/or have been prominent in Republican Party for a while! There’s one even going back to Pres. Reagan’s time! (Obviously!)

I honestly think some people on here are finding any excuse at all to smear Republicans who aren’t pure and saintly conservatives! Not only that, some people here see that some people on the list were in the Bush administration, so they smear the entire Bush family right along with them! You do realize that it’s possible to like and agree w/these people, (on list in article) without agreeing with them on gay marriage?

I would’ve much preferred Meg Whitman over Jerry Brown for governor of California; I’m surprised you didn’t? To be fair, I’m not a Californian anymore. I don’t have to deal with their leaders anymore like you do. However, I’m still sad to see what has happened to my birth-state; as I still have family there! I have to admit that though Meg Whitman isn’t as conservative as I personally would’ve liked; surely she would’ve been some improvement, wouldn’t she? Can you tell me why you think not?


27 posted on 02/26/2013 8:25:35 AM PST by dsutah
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To: US Navy Vet

Names?


28 posted on 02/26/2013 8:42:51 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Look in the DAMN article! You CAN read can’t you?


29 posted on 02/26/2013 8:45:32 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Ileana is a rep from south Florida...her district, IIRC, includes the EXTREMELY HOMOSEXUAL area of Miami Beach and Key West....she is representing her pro-sodomite constituents.

Pray for their souls...if they change, see their sin, and repent, that part of the world would change for the better.


30 posted on 02/26/2013 8:47:46 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper; US Navy Vet
Representatives Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida

Ugh... I thought Ileana was better than this...

31 posted on 02/26/2013 8:49:51 AM PST by nutmeg (Who and WHERE are the Benghazi survivors??)
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To: US Navy Vet

does it ever seem like much of the two parties are interchangeable?


32 posted on 02/26/2013 8:51:45 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Ileana is a rep from south Florida...her district, IIRC, includes the EXTREMELY HOMOSEXUAL area of Miami Beach and Key West....she is representing her pro-sodomite constituents.

I didn't realize that homosexuals were such a big part of Ileana's constituency... how disturbing.

33 posted on 02/26/2013 8:52:25 AM PST by nutmeg (Who and WHERE are the Benghazi survivors??)
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To: SoFloFreeper; nutmeg

Ileana still votes pro-life, but started voting pro-gay when Key West was added to her district in 2002 (she already represented South Beach, and I guess she felt she had to change her position. Key West was removed from her CD in 2012, but I guess she’s still acting as if she represented it.


34 posted on 02/26/2013 8:59:09 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: joe fonebone

Don’t even try anymore, FRiend.

Those folks are one-trick ponies, so enamored with the (R) brand they can’t see what you’re showing.

All they think the (L) is about are drugs (Ownership of Self), isolationism (’cuz what we got going on now is making us SO much safer), open borders (no welfare state, per the (L), not so much a flood anymore, no?), gay marriage (of which gov’t has NO reason to be in the midst thereof), etc. ad nauseam.

They don’t see the great swath of similarities to whittle down Fedzilla, (repeal 16/17th, enforce 9th/10th), dismantle all alphabet agencies and regs, and generally get the gov’t back to A1S8, from which to come together and FIGHT.

Prob. the same that believe they’re ‘owed’ what they ‘paid’ into SS/Medicare too. *rolls eyes*


35 posted on 02/26/2013 9:12:50 AM PST by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives - LP.org)
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To: upchuck

Oooops; you’re right; thanks for the correction.


36 posted on 02/26/2013 9:38:28 AM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s Are The 21st Century's Muskets. Free Men Need Not Ask Permission!)
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To: i_robot73

what you are describing are what I call the capital L libertarians.... and they are in the minority..

Most if not all of us small l libertarians are what you could call “strict constitutionalists”...

we could also be called disgruntled conservatives, reason being we see the erosion of rights and personal liberties coming from the so called “conservatives” every bit as dangerous as the libs....

In my opinion, the libertarian platform ( i do not agree with all of it, but most of it is constitutionally based )takes us down a path more in line with our constitution than the current crop of pubs, that have a platform and toss it out the window when elected... here is what i think...

1) the best defense is an overwhelming and sustainable offensive capability... but, this does not make us the worlds policemen..

2) the war on drugs, although a nice thought, is a disaster to personal rights and liberties. You may think that this is about pot, it is not. Try going to your doctor and getting a prescription for pain medication, or go and buy some antihistamies. Tally up the numbers of dead people shot by mistake in the war on drugs, homes destroyed, people imprisoned... not to mention the massive amount of dollars and the number of alphabet agencies in place simply because of the war on drugs..

3) regulation of the borders and immigration is a power designated to the feds. The word illegal still has meaning in my eyes, and the current crop of pubs are hell bent on opening up our borders.. I am dead against it..

4) i personally know of more libertarians that want to repeal the 17th amendment than i do pubs... enough said there..

5) gay marriage, you are correct, the feds have no place in that mess, as it was not a power granted to them.. it is a 10th amendment issue by default.. if you do not want it to be in your state, then you have the power to remove those that back it from office at the ballot box, or simply move to another state..

6) social security can be eliminated within a generation, without throwing people out on the streets, if there was a politican with the guts to tackle it.. I have presented a plan on many threads, only to get silence back.. i guess people either want it all or want it all gone right now... sigh...

having said all of that, i ask you a question...

are all republicans conservative?

in the same spirit as your answer, not all libertarians are ron paul nut jobs.. the nut jobs get the press ( gee i wonder why )but they are in the minority...

all i ask that the baby not be thrown out the window with the bath water..

hope this kinda clears things up for you my FRiend..


37 posted on 02/26/2013 9:43:36 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: US Navy Vet

We need a third party.


38 posted on 02/26/2013 9:55:09 AM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; SoFloFreeper
Ileana still votes pro-life, but started voting pro-gay when Key West was added to her district in 2002 (she already represented South Beach, and I guess she felt she had to change her position. Key West was removed from her CD in 2012, but I guess she’s still acting as if she represented it.

Thank you both for the info on Ileana. I knew the South Beach area of Miami was/is pretty gay, but I didn't realize there was such a big homosexual population in Key West. Ugh...

39 posted on 02/26/2013 10:33:00 AM PST by nutmeg (Who and WHERE are the Benghazi survivors??)
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To: Para-Ord.45
Keep your head down. Don`t talk to strangers. Live in a relatively safe place.Mind your own business. Interact with the Beast System as little as possible.

Massive mega BUMP!

40 posted on 02/26/2013 10:38:34 AM PST by upchuck (nobama fact #69: For each job created by the nobama administration, 75 people went on food stamps.)
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To: July4

Yes. We need to come out against abuses of Americans’ Bill of Rights in the “war on terror.” It ‘s gone way too far...kbg material.

Switch the subject to halting systematic airport sexual abuse of Americans since socialists are so concerned about freedom! Random DHS roadblock searches...police drones...first amendment protection from Obama’s push for Shiria...

Americans care more about the Bill of Rights freedoms than the freedom of pervs to wag their asses in everyone’s faces.


41 posted on 02/26/2013 10:53:39 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: US Navy Vet

Typical suspects. I don’t see ANY conservatives on the list.


42 posted on 02/26/2013 10:57:44 AM PST by Maelstorm (This country wasn't founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a govt check!")
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To: US Navy Vet

We at FR need to contemplate what party other than GOP we can join and rally to a successful election winner. Independent? Hmmmmm, no. Any ideas, anyone? How about the ‘Founders’ party or.. ??


43 posted on 02/26/2013 11:13:48 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: US Navy Vet

More than 60,000,000 Republicans voted for Romney in the most recent election and did not sign this petition. Dozens signed the petition. The dozens are newsworthy, and the fact that the vast majority of republicans will not pretend that a gay “marriage” has any connection with the real thing is not even mentioned.


44 posted on 02/26/2013 11:43:34 AM PST by Pollster1
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To: US Navy Vet
See tagline.

The GOP needs to be scrapped ASAP.
45 posted on 02/26/2013 11:53:50 AM PST by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: July4

I did say I want the new conservative party to be called the “Conservacan” Party-——maybe Conservacan Constitution Party works even better.


46 posted on 02/26/2013 1:19:42 PM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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Sickening. And why the h*ell is Meg Whitman mentioned? In CA, we’ve already voted down gay marriage twice...........if they overturn the people’s vote, what good does it do to cast a vote?


47 posted on 02/26/2013 2:34:40 PM PST by NoRedTape
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To: svcw
On paper there are. In practice, there are not. Don't worry, some idiot will be along to tell you how you are going to cause the collapse of America and that you're a sodomite-loving socialist because you won't get in line and follow their "republican" sodomite-loving socialist.

Of course, this is just one more example of why "we" need a bigger tent, and everyone else should just forgo their values and beliefs. Then of course are all the inferences to Bush and Reagan so the low information voters and knee-jerk conservatives can infer that those two supported faggot "marriage," or on some evil NWO conspiring plot to take over the world one civilly union-ed AIDS infested rectum at a time.

Lovely.

48 posted on 02/26/2013 4:37:11 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: US Navy Vet; All
>> Some high-profile Republicans who support same-sex marriage — including... Colin L. Powell, a former secretary of state — were not on the list as of Monday. <<

Powell must have been out of the loop when they passed around the list. The RINO is probably upset at missing the opportunity to stab the party in the back again, rushing out the door to sign it as we speak. However, I don't see a single conservative on that list. Maybe you could make a case that Ted Olson USED to be conservative... he hasn't done anything conservative lately.

49 posted on 02/27/2013 10:37:13 AM PST by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; nutmeg; SoFloFreeper
>> Ileana still votes pro-life, but started voting pro-gay when Key West was added to her district in 2002 (she already represented South Beach, and I guess she felt she had to change her position. Key West was removed from her CD in 2012, but I guess she’s still acting as if she represented it. <<

It's possible she's still acting like Key West in her district. My theory on Mark Kirk vehemently opposing Hagel while gleefully rubber stamping much worse far-left Democrats (he was all giddy over Elena Kagan, for example) is that Kirk still thinks he's representing IL-10 and Jewish voters would retaliate if he supported Hagel, even though this is a non-issue for statewide officials.

My gut tells me it's something different with Ileana, though. She's always been a borderline RINO (her first year in Congress, 1990, she had a pathetic 65% rating from the ACU), with or without Key West, and is really only solid on pro-life and anti-Castro stuff.

AuH2ORepublican is right about Key West though. It's the San Francisco of Florida. My parents vacationed there 20+ years ago and have a story about going to a restaurant there where the waiter ignored my mom and pulled out the chair for my dad and brushed off the seat, attentively refilling his water glass and coming at his beckon call...

50 posted on 02/27/2013 10:49:47 AM PST by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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