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Boehner to hold 4 p.m. sequester press conference
MarketWatch ^ | 2/25/13 | Robert Schroeder

Posted on 02/25/2013 7:24:37 AM PST by illiac

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To: Sequoyah101
What did he say?

He has absolutely nothing to new to say.

At all.

Here was gist of it:

1. I am dug in.

2. The Pentagon is lying about extent of the damage (even the 4-star Generals who testified to the contrary) All of them.

3. I am dug in.

4. Obama is using the troops as props because of the fiscal damage coming, but there really isn't fiscal damage, even though these are deep cuts, but not really, and yes, hundreds of thousands will be furloughed, but I don't believe it, and and besides that's all Obama's fault anyway, and what time do the bars open around here?.......oh look! A gum wrapper......

101 posted on 02/26/2013 3:11:26 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: cuban leaf

No matter what happens, obama will get the credit if it turns out well. Republicans will get the credit if it turns out bad.

I predict Boner will say obama is not being nice so “we have to do what’s best for America and not let these cuts go through”. Then the media will start slobbering and all get tingles up their legs because their leader whipped Boner’s ass.


102 posted on 02/26/2013 7:55:12 AM PST by Terry Mross (How long before America is gone?)
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To: Terry Mross

My foundational perspective: It will turn out bad and I don’t care who gets the blame.

My viewpoint, since 2008, has been that this is the Tatanic. It is dead in the water and sinking. I follow the rantings about getting a new captain and crew with interest, but what I focus on is getting the tools and supplies necessary to buld my family a life raft from deck chairs, etc., and be able to defend it.

The stern will slip under the surface, and a lot of people will be dog paddling in freezing water. The only question is when, not if.

I want to see the sequester only to see what happens. It’ll be, uh, fun.


103 posted on 02/26/2013 8:26:28 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: woodbutcher1963
The other 17% probably do not even know that we have a debt problem.

The other 17% couldn't spell C-A-T if you spotted them the 'C' and the 'A'. (But they do know how to use an EBT card)

104 posted on 02/26/2013 8:31:29 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: Democrat_media
85 billion is what % of the 4 or 5 trillion $ federal gov budget?

The Federal budget is approximately $3.5 trillion. The question that needs to be asked is, if the $85 billion sequester funds pays for the Pentagon, the TSA, police, fire, prisons, schools, school lunches, food safety inspections, border patrol...then what the hell is the other $3.49 TRILLION being used for?

105 posted on 02/26/2013 8:39:14 AM PST by kevao (.)
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To: kevao

The Federal budget is approximately $3.5 trillion. The question that needs to be asked is, if the $85 billion sequester funds pays for the Pentagon, the TSA, police, fire, prisons, schools, school lunches, food safety inspections, border patrol...then what the hell is the other $3.49 TRILLION being used for?


It’s worse than that. The ANNUAL budget is $3.9T. The ANNUAL sequestration hit is $22b.

To put it in perspective, imagine a family with a $35k annual budget being asked to cut $220. Oh, and over $15k of that annual budget is put on the credit card.

This whole thing is beyond silly. It’s why I stopped taking these clowns seriously years ago. It’s like watching a bunch of five year olds on an airplane going down in flames, scurrying around wondering what to do.


106 posted on 02/26/2013 8:45:35 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: knife6375
Bend over in the style of our new Secretary of State.


107 posted on 02/26/2013 8:55:46 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: Hoodat

Also, they know where to line up to get their free phone.


108 posted on 02/26/2013 9:28:22 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: redgolum
The cuts are going to be blamed on the GOP.
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What is it with people who stand their ground (something the GOP has not done in many moons) worrying that they will be “blamed” by those who obviously don't understand the situation anyway.

109 posted on 02/26/2013 12:43:51 PM PST by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: KittenClaws

Do you want to win elections? The GOP is acting like they don’t want to.


110 posted on 02/26/2013 4:28:16 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Wisconsinlady
I’m tired of them calling this a “spending cut”.

Yep, somehow the Republicans keep pushing away their golden opportunity to say, "Slight reduction in spending increases." The cowardice and / or stupidity is scary.

111 posted on 02/26/2013 4:31:35 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: redgolum

Since tax hikes are a non-starter, what would you propose?
Thanks in advance for your reply.


112 posted on 02/26/2013 4:37:06 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: SkyPilot

Since tax hikes are a non-starter, what would you propose?
Thanks in advance for your reply.


113 posted on 02/26/2013 4:38:22 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

There will be tax hikes.

We both know that. People and corporations seem to want the services and welfare the Fed and State Gov provides, and there has to be a way to pay for them.

We can pretend all we want to that tax hikes won’t happen, but that seems to be what the people want. With an aging population going on entitlements like Social Security and Medicare, they will not accept any cuts. With the public sector (and that includes defense) not willing to make any cuts either without blowing up the Republican party, that leaves taxes.

I don’t want higher taxes, but if the GOP wants to get elected in the next ten years they have to concede some on that front. If that means ending some subsidies and tax credits, (which is a tax increase) on businesses and individuals, then so be it.

I used to think differently. I used to think that government could be cut. But honestly the people on this board proved me wrong. Everyone says they are a fiscal conservative, till their program gets cut. We have people saying that they have to get THEIR SS money, even though it is not possible to fund it. We have people who work for defense contractors demand that THEY don’t get any cuts, even though those of us in the private sector have to take them. We have energy companies making record profits demand to keep their special subsidies and special EPA rulings (which are a much lower standard than just about anything else) who will not accept anything else. And that doesn’t even mention the school districts that are having to cut 25% of their budgets (as one local school in Illinois is having to do) because of budget cuts.

The GOP needs to get in front of the issue and ask Obama “How will you pay for this?” and demand they get explicit. Ask for real numbers, not pie in the sky fantasies. They also need to realize that if they are serious about cuts, they need to be serious about some of the sweetheart deals that have been made and the pork they bring home to their districts.

In short, it will have to be taxes. No one seems to want to accept anything less than what the government “owes” them, so the money has to come from somewhere.


114 posted on 02/26/2013 5:05:37 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Lancey Howard

There will be tax hikes.

We both know that. People and corporations seem to want the services and welfare the Fed and State Gov provides, and there has to be a way to pay for them.

We can pretend all we want to that tax hikes won’t happen, but that seems to be what the people want. With an aging population going on entitlements like Social Security and Medicare, they will not accept any cuts. With the public sector (and that includes defense) not willing to make any cuts either without blowing up the Republican party, that leaves taxes.

I don’t want higher taxes, but if the GOP wants to get elected in the next ten years they have to concede some on that front. If that means ending some subsidies and tax credits, (which is a tax increase) on businesses and individuals, then so be it.

I used to think differently. I used to think that government could be cut. But honestly the people on this board proved me wrong. Everyone says they are a fiscal conservative, till their program gets cut. We have people saying that they have to get THEIR SS money, even though it is not possible to fund it. We have people who work for defense contractors demand that THEY don’t get any cuts, even though those of us in the private sector have to take them. We have energy companies making record profits demand to keep their special subsidies and special EPA rulings (which are a much lower standard than just about anything else) who will not accept anything else. And that doesn’t even mention the school districts that are having to cut 25% of their budgets (as one local school in Illinois is having to do) because of budget cuts.

The GOP needs to get in front of the issue and ask Obama “How will you pay for this?” and demand they get explicit. Ask for real numbers, not pie in the sky fantasies. They also need to realize that if they are serious about cuts, they need to be serious about some of the sweetheart deals that have been made and the pork they bring home to their districts.

In short, it will have to be taxes. No one seems to want to accept anything less than what the government “owes” them, so the money has to come from somewhere.


115 posted on 02/26/2013 5:05:55 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
In short, it will have to be taxes.

In short raising marginal rates DECREASES government revenues. Fail.

116 posted on 02/26/2013 5:07:55 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: redgolum
There will be tax hikes.

We both know that. People and corporations seem to want the services and welfare the Fed and State Gov provides, and there has to be a way to pay for them.

You're on the wrong site.

117 posted on 02/26/2013 5:48:39 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Why? Will give up your benefits and money from the state and federal governments?

Who will tell all those on social security “No more”. Who will tell the military and defense contractors “You have no job”.

IF we want those things, they have to be paid for. We lost that along the way. We started paying for all sorts of things without having the money to do so. We sold our inheritance for a bowl of porridge and are mad that there is only an empty bowl left.

Right now, no one wants THEIR program cut. Look at the sequester threads and see all the screaming from those affected. Look at the annual threads about how much SS payments will increase, and see more of the same. Look at the old space program threads and see the wailing and gnashing of teeth.

This is supposed to be a “conservative” site, yet everyone wants THEIR MONEY. That money has to come from somewhere.

If on a site like Free Republic, that self selects for people of conservative interests,and if we can’t have people saying “I will take that cut, and make do”, how in the heck do we expect the rest of the country to do that?

Again, I know that higher taxes will hurt the economy. But what this site has taught me is that very, very, few really care as long as their slop comes down the trough from the Fedgov. If that is the case (and polling suggests it is) then we had better find a way to pay for all that slop. Before China turns off the money supply.


118 posted on 02/26/2013 6:08:29 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

You make a fair point. Suggest a cap on the mortgage deduction or point out that seniors are taking out of Medicare several times what they put into it such that a hike in the eligibility age might be in order or propose the removal of farm subsidies or even taking away ethanol payments or...


119 posted on 02/26/2013 6:19:43 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: redgolum
Who will tell all those on social security “No more”.

Why would anybody tell those who have dumped money down the government toilet their entire working lives they won't be getting their own checks?

Start by cutting off illegal aliens; then the bums, deadbeats, and parasites who comprise the Democrat party base; then tell the government unions to suck eggs - - no more "public sector" unions "negotiating" for their Rolls Royce pensions and perks with corrupt politicians; then get rid of all redundant agencies and worthless, ineffective departments such as the Department of Education. (How many hundreds of billions of dollars are we up to?)

Clean up the mess, and only THEN talk to me about more taxes. Starve the beast.

120 posted on 02/26/2013 6:21:39 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: KittenClaws

They would be regardless.


121 posted on 02/26/2013 8:59:31 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: redgolum
Increasing taxes decreases revenue. Even Zippy knows that. That's why he told Joe Le Plumber that it's about "redistribution."

Redistribution and control. AKA, Marxism.

That's what Obama's about, Charlie Brown. And grab your life-preserver. The ship is going down.

122 posted on 02/26/2013 9:21:09 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: 9YearLurker; Lancey Howard; St_Thomas_Aquinas
. Suggest a cap on the mortgage deduction or point out that seniors are taking out of Medicare several times what they put into it such that a hike in the eligibility age might be in order or propose the removal of farm subsidies or even taking away ethanol payments or...

Which are all tax hikes (or benefit reductions). And yes, it will hurt. Thing is we are screwed. To get un screwed we need to either cut spending (and that includes entitlements like Social Security), or increase taxes. LH made the statement that she doesn't want SS cut, so I guess that means taxes.

It is a simple mass balance. Income must equal outflows, or you go negative. We have to stop going negative, and no one wants to cut anything.

123 posted on 02/27/2013 6:43:34 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

I’d argue that spending is out of control and we can’t dig our way out of it with tax hikes. The only way we can get a healthy economy again is to cut spending. Period.


124 posted on 02/27/2013 7:31:02 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
I would agree. However, no one seems to want to tell the seniors, government pensioners, and everyone else that “THERE IS NO MONEY!”.

So that means if you work for the government, your hours get cut. That means you loose benefits and contracts, and that your lifestyle will have to change. It means that I don't get the same deductions as I used to, and that I accept that the roads keep falling apart for a while.

In other words, we make do.

Yet, even on this board, no one wants to do it. No one wants to get a cut to THEIR MONEY!! Even though it is all tax money, and has to come from somewhere. Social Security entitlement recipients see it as their money, so don't touch that! Defense sector personal see it as vitally important, so don't cut that! Space program workers see it as great (and cheap!) so don't cut that!

And don't even get me started on the various pork incentive programs that every see as to important (or to small) to mess with. Things like massive public buildings for pro foot ball teams, public school mandates that do little but increase the budget, and the local property tax cut to a new business (paid for by those existing firms).

Yet no one really wants to cut their government boondoggle money.

If we refuse to cut spending (which most people don't want), then we must raise taxes.

125 posted on 02/27/2013 7:46:19 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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